Randy

Martinsville, VA

#188 Jul 30, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Who is going to teach you the what oldest source you find in the Episltes means.
It can only have one meaning or the written word of God is just some ink on piece of paper.
Protesters profane the written word of God by putting their on spin on it.
My bad, I forgot, I’m incapable of reading something and drawing a conclusion. I must rely on a Pope to explain the Scriptures to me. I just remembered, the Pope is a mere man too. Guess I won’t be needing his help after all, sorry.

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#189 Jul 30, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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I agree, now can any of us say that we have all truth/knowledge? I doubt that any of the apostles would go that far. There is only so much that our finite minds can process. This is why I believe the gospel is so simple a child can understand it. That is as long as we keep it simple.
This one is a keeper.

So you admit you don't l know everything. You don't have the ability to do it. Yet you tell people all the time how to be saved.

It so simple even a child can understand it yet you protesters spend your whole life proving to each other why you are right and the other protester is wrong.

What you are doing is telling Jesus what he meant. I will let you save me, but on my own terms.

It is simple. Obey the Church. Be a sheep. It is the pillar and foundation of Church. All authority was given to it by Jesus, our LORD and Savior. The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.

There is no democracy in the Kingdom of God.

This one is a keeper.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#190 Jul 30, 2014
The simplicity of the gospel

And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.(1 Corinthians 2:1-2).

The simplicity of the message of the cross does not split Christians apart. To the contrary, it binds them together. It is the glue that unites the church.
Albert Walker

Fremont, CA

#191 Jul 30, 2014
Bobby wrote:
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Good points.
Let us suppose there are 5 people stranded on an an island and only one is a woman. They are all starving and close to death. The woman is a christian the others are not. Are we supposed to believe that she cannot share the gospel with them? I think we have far to much theological baggage on these threads
I don't think the scripture teaches women should not share the gospel, quite the contrary. What it does teach very plainly is they are not to speak in a organized meeting of the church in a leadership position. There are examples of women speaking in an organized setting but it is plain about preaching a sermon etc. in that setting. That is what I am saying. I agree there is to much baggage or false teaching not only on these threads but in our churches. The gay movement of today has infiltrated our churches and taught the scriptures falsely just as the womens movement has. It is an unpopular position but true scripture does not go along with the popular movements of today. What has happened is scripture gets changed for the sole purpose of catering to the beliefs of these movements and other church doctrines. It is not only social movements causing the problem, don't get me wrong, but they have the same spirit behind them.
William

Birmingham, AL

#192 Jul 30, 2014
Albert Walker wrote:
<quoted text>The reason I asked Lisa to discuss on this thread is I believe it is related to salvation. When you say there is no argument are you saying you agree that it is wrong for women to preach? I thought by your post you opposed that view. Since you brought up doctrine I think that is one of the more important points in the verses you posted. Is the type of baptism the main subject they were discussing?
In case Lisa didn't know it, she needs to see that Priscilla taught a preacher something that he didn't know.
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#193 Jul 30, 2014
Albert Walker wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think the scripture teaches women should not share the gospel, quite the contrary. What it does teach very plainly is they are not to speak in a organized meeting of the church in a leadership position. There are examples of women speaking in an organized setting but it is plain about preaching a sermon etc. in that setting. That is what I am saying. I agree there is to much baggage or false teaching not only on these threads but in our churches. The gay movement of today has infiltrated our churches and taught the scriptures falsely just as the womens movement has. It is an unpopular position but true scripture does not go along with the popular movements of today. What has happened is scripture gets changed for the sole purpose of catering to the beliefs of these movements and other church doctrines. It is not only social movements causing the problem, don't get me wrong, but they have the same spirit behind them.
I think we are pretty much on the same page. In our church women do not preach or teach classes. However they do sometimes lead prayer and worship/singing.

I have thought that the coc has been far to legalistic. On the other hand it was eve that fell first in the garden. And, by the way all of our problems are rooted in the influence of satan in our world- even though some do not believe satan is still active.
Randy

Martinsville, VA

#194 Jul 30, 2014
Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples,“The experts in the law and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat. Therefore pay attention to what they tell you and do it. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they teach. They tie up heavy loads, hard to carry, and put them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing even to lift a finger to move them”(Matthew 23:1-4).

Prior to Matt. 23, Jesus said:

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke on you and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy to bear, and my load is not hard to carry”(Matthew 11:28-30).

Trusting in Jesus is to cease from self-righteous labor, our fleshly efforts, and receive the fruit of the work which Jesus Christ. Entertaining thoughts of a work based salvation is much like a Christian Jew retreating back to Judaism, of going back under the law, setting aside rest for fruitless works. True rest can only come from Jesus. We cannot rest in our fruitless efforts to win God’s favor. How absurd! God demands perfection and not one of us can stand before God boasting in our works. We must trust in the only provision God has made for sinners to be forgiven and to enter into His rest or else we fool ourselves into thinking we somehow can do enough good works to earn a place in heaven. Its simple. We trust Jesus or we trust ourselves.

Our many disagreements are merely reminders that we must trust Jesus and not lean upon our own understanding. Our imperfection and disagreements should make us all lean on Jesus and His works. As imperfect beings, we never will agree upon everything. In ourselves is no rest but in Christ we all can rest because He has united us all as one people despite our diversities. You think God didn’t know we would have these disagreements? In spite of our disagreements, He remains faithful… by His work, we shall enter heaven.

Since: Sep 13

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#195 Jul 30, 2014
William wrote:
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In case Lisa didn't know it, she needs to see that Priscilla taught a preacher something that he didn't know.
She and her husband are Saints in the Church .

Since: Sep 13

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#196 Jul 30, 2014
Randy wrote:
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My bad, I forgot, I’m incapable of reading something and drawing a conclusion. I must rely on a Pope to explain the Scriptures to me. I just remembered, the Pope is a mere man too. Guess I won’t be needing his help after all, sorry.
Drawing conclusion is not being right. The meaning of the written word of God was decided centuries ago..

The Pope was taught what scriptures mean too. The same thing it meant 1600 years ago when the Church created the Bible.

So God talks to you and 2000 years after Jesus, you have special insight?

Does God want everybody in the world to believe like you ? Do you have the fullness of the truth. Did Jesus give you the authority to speak for him?
Bobby

Mansfield, TX

#197 Jul 30, 2014
…11When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.

13But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.
Axel Reid

Williamsburg, VA

#198 Jul 30, 2014
Mikie did you call that health dude? You can jump in my back pocket if you're afraid. You talk a big game bro but when you are challenged to be vocal you run like the wind. I do wonder why you won't call him. I bet its because you might get busted for who you really are then since phone numbers can be pin pointed to real locations
Randy

Martinsville, VA

#199 Jul 30, 2014
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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Drawing conclusion is not being right. The meaning of the written word of God was decided centuries ago..
The Pope was taught what scriptures mean too. The same thing it meant 1600 years ago when the Church created the Bible.
So God talks to you and 2000 years after Jesus, you have special insight?
Does God want everybody in the world to believe like you ? Do you have the fullness of the truth. Did Jesus give you the authority to speak for him?
Your Popes go beyond ‘drawing conclusions’ and enter the realm of make-believe. Popes just make up stuff off the top of their head and say its “what the Church teaches”. Remember Y2K, the Pope promising “points” to those who don’t drink and smoke as if he had the power to forgive sin and grant so-called purgatory points. Has every Pope always been in agreement? Every Priest always been in agreement? If your honest, you know the answer is no. Jesus never mentioned Mary worship nor anything about honoring her as co-redeemer as I can quote several Popes saying. These Popes basically invented teachings without any basis at all. God never told them anything close to such nonsense nor did they ‘draw conclusions’ from scripture. They merely make up whatever they want then call it “what the Church teaches”. God doesn’t want everybody to believe like you Mike or he would have said so. You do not have fullness of the truth, you have man made additions which have no biblical basis at all. Jesus never gave you authority to place Mary as co-redeemer. If you are happily convinced that your man made doctrines are of God, then more power to you.

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#200 Jul 30, 2014
Axel Reid wrote:
Mikie did you call that health dude? You can jump in my back pocket if you're afraid. You talk a big game bro but when you are challenged to be vocal you run like the wind. I do wonder why you won't call him. I bet its because you might get busted for who you really are then since phone numbers can be pin pointed to real locations
Say what? Are you asking me this??? I have no clue what you are talking about.

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Axel Reid

Williamsburg, VA

#201 Jul 30, 2014
No I ain't no coc nope sure not. Call that heath man and tell us all how it goes. Don't be scerd

Since: Sep 13

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#202 Jul 30, 2014
Axel Reid wrote:
No I ain't no coc nope sure not. Call that heath man and tell us all how it goes. Don't be scerd
where is Calvin Corner when we need him.
Albert Walker

Fremont, CA

#203 Jul 30, 2014
William wrote:
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In case Lisa didn't know it, she needs to see that Priscilla taught a preacher something that he didn't know.
I think this is how error comes into the church. Are we to change the scripture to "Priscilla taught" ? Or should we stick with scripture and say"but when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately" and remain true to scripture. A lot could be gone into here but the verses are irrelevant when it comes to women preaching.
William

Birmingham, AL

#204 Jul 30, 2014
Albert Walker wrote:
A lot could be gone into here but the verses are irrelevant when it comes to women preaching.
No, it's not.

She knew the way of God more perfectly than a man did.

That speaks volumes as to who
William

Birmingham, AL

#205 Jul 30, 2014
... as to who knew what about the gospel, and when they knew it. A man had to be taught by a woman.
Albert Walker

Fremont, CA

#206 Jul 30, 2014
William wrote:
... as to who knew what about the gospel, and when they knew it. A man had to be taught by a woman.
Again you are leaving out part of the scripture for the sole purpose of forming your own doctrine. There was a man and a woman that expounded upon the scripture and we do not know exactly the details of how that happened. To pull one person out of those verses you listed and make the claim that they only did the teaching is nothing but error.
William

Birmingham, AL

#207 Jul 30, 2014
Albert Walker wrote:
<quoted text>Again you are leaving out part of the scripture for the sole purpose of forming your own doctrine. There was a man and a woman that expounded upon the scripture and we do not know exactly the details of how that happened. To pull one person out of those verses you listed and make the claim that they only did the teaching is nothing but error.
We know the detail that a woman knew the way of God more perfectly than a preacher.

I can't help it if you don't happen to like that.

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