William

Opelika, AL

#21 Sep 22, 2013
Why people insist on putting garbage into their bodies (and minds) willingly and without a fight never ceases to amaze me.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#22 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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There is a big difference between driving drunk and driving stoned.
A drunk driver speeds past a stop sign like it's not even there, a stoned driver stops and stares at it, waiting for it to turn green.
Except for the kid here, who was stoned and ran full speed into the back of a semi trailer stopped at a red light. Killed his best friend, injured two others; at least 5 years in prison. Impaired is impaired, no matter the source.
William

Opelika, AL

#23 Sep 22, 2013
But nobody ever "over-dosed" on weed, we are constantly being told.

Talk about the proverbial bar being lowered to justify smoking weed. Cracks me up!

:)

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#24 Sep 22, 2013
William wrote:
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You are free to petition the FDA to change it's classification of the drug.
I don't care how the FDA classifies Viagra.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#25 Sep 22, 2013
William wrote:
But nobody ever "over-dosed" on weed, we are constantly being told.
Talk about the proverbial bar being lowered to justify smoking weed. Cracks me up!
:)
No, not once in all of human history has anybody ever ODed on weed. And why do you anti pot people think the smoking of weed has to be "justified"? Do you just think pleasure is a bad thing?

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#26 Sep 22, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Except for the kid here, who was stoned and ran full speed into the back of a semi trailer stopped at a red light. Killed his best friend, injured two others; at least 5 years in prison. Impaired is impaired, no matter the source.
Got a link to that story?
Anyway, I don't know of any pro pot legalization people who think it's a good idea to drive stoned. The thing is, when people are too stoned to drive, they tend to know it. It's not like people who are too drunk to drive.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#27 Sep 22, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
From a practical point, companies will still check for pot use and the employee will be terminated for it use.
People should refuse to pee in a cup. It's none of the company's business if you use pot or not. If you constantly come in too inebriated to work properly, that's one thing, and one doesn't have to check somebody's urine to see that. But unless the employer is paying the person for every hour of the weekend, what they smoked is none of their business.
Mike Peterson wrote:
Making it legal means more will use, more will lose jobs, and more will be on government assistance.
No, it doesn't. There isn't any evidence legalizing marijuana causes more people to smoke it. Want to know what puts people on government assistance? Putting them in jail for using pot.
Mike Peterson wrote:
More on government assistance means higher taxes. Taxpayers will be subsidizing grass use.
That's what we are doing now. We are funding a huge prison system. If pot were legal, it could be taxed.
Mike Peterson wrote:
That being said, when I am retired and if it is legal, I will give it a shot. I have medical reasons people claim it helps.
Whatever.
William

Opelika, AL

#28 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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I don't care how the FDA classifies Viagra.
Then your entire argument is useless.
William

Opelika, AL

#29 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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No, not once in all of human history has anybody ever ODed on weed. And why do you anti pot people think the smoking of weed has to be "justified"? Do you just think pleasure is a bad thing?
I don't think it has to be "justified" at all. It is against the law to use, for entirely justifiable reasons that are well documented. That you ignore or don't care about those reasons is immaterial.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#30 Sep 22, 2013
William wrote:
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I don't think it has to be "justified" at all. It is against the law to use, for entirely justifiable reasons that are well documented. That you ignore or don't care about those reasons is immaterial.
So, what are those reasons? Ooops, looks like you are going to have to STFU and run away.
William

Opelika, AL

#31 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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So, what are those reasons? Ooops, looks like you are going to have to STFU and run away.
Tell you what. Go smoke weed and then find the nearest police station. Walk in, and ask the duty officer in charge to explain why it is against the law.

Run along now and try this experiment.
William

Opelika, AL

#32 Sep 22, 2013
Or better yet, smoke it on a military base. Out in the open.

Yeah, do that.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#33 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Got a link to that story?
Anyway, I don't know of any pro pot legalization people who think it's a good idea to drive stoned. The thing is, when people are too stoned to drive, they tend to know it. It's not like people who are too drunk to drive.
No story link, firsthand experience- know the boy's mother. You make assumption here- how do you know "stoned people tend to know" they're too stoned to drive? Not a solid argument.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#34 Sep 22, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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People should refuse to pee in a cup. It's none of the company's business if you use pot or not. If you constantly come in too inebriated to work properly, that's one thing, and one doesn't have to check somebody's urine to see that. But unless the employer is paying the person for every hour of the weekend, what they smoked is none of their business.
Most places, refuse a drug test- fired immediately. It is a company's business if someone is using illegal substances, or even weed if legalized. Safety of employees, insurance and financial considerations, etc. Also the stereotype of "dope smoking slackers". It becomes a character issue that hinders employment opportunities.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#35 Sep 22, 2013
William wrote:
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Tell you what. Go smoke weed and then find the nearest police station. Walk in, and ask the duty officer in charge to explain why it is against the law.
Run along now and try this experiment.
Can't be bothered. But I have a doctor's rec, so I doubt they would do anything. And smoking pot should not be illegal, why do you think it should be?

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#36 Sep 22, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Most places, refuse a drug test- fired immediately. It is a company's business if someone is using illegal substances, or even weed if legalized. Safety of employees, insurance and financial considerations, etc. Also the stereotype of "dope smoking slackers". It becomes a character issue that hinders employment opportunities.
It's none of a company's business if the employee is using illegal substances, or legal weed, unless the employee's performance at work is effected. There are all kinds of silly stereotypes.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#37 Sep 22, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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No story link, firsthand experience- know the boy's mother.
Just what I figured...
Dave P wrote:
You make assumption here- how do you know "stoned people tend to know" they're too stoned to drive? Not a solid argument.
I've been around stoned and drunk people.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#38 Sep 23, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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People should refuse to pee in a cup. It's none of the company's business if you use pot or not. If you constantly come in too inebriated to work properly, that's one thing, and one doesn't have to check somebody's urine to see that. But unless the employer is paying the person for every hour of the weekend, what they smoked is none of their business.
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Stoned statement.

A company has no rights. Power to the people.

I assume you own a company that is held liable for things their employees do and you don't require testin?

How many jobs have you created in your company?
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#39 Sep 23, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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People should refuse to pee in a cup. It's none of the company's business if you use pot or not. If you constantly come in too inebriated to work properly, that's one thing, and one doesn't have to check somebody's urine to see that. But unless the employer is paying the person for every hour of the weekend, what they smoked is none of their business.
<quoted text>
No, it doesn't. There isn't any evidence legalizing marijuana causes more people to smoke it. Want to know what puts people on government assistance? Putting them in jail for using pot.
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That's what we are doing now. We are funding a huge prison system. If pot were legal, it could be taxed.
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Whatever.
Problem is what you think and what the private rights of others are 2 difference things. A company has every right to test for drug use. You has an American have no "constitutional" rights at all. That is why we have "labor" laws. The company can do what it's want. Blood test shows any drugs in your body, it can decide ti hire you or not. Has for what you do in your spare time is true, but, the company can request a blood test at any given moment. Why? Just like a person who has a "hangover", it can cause mistakes on the job and put in danger the people around them. I am guessing by your statement you are under 35 years of age. Question. You use the company phone at your desk to make a private call. You found out that the company listen in, can you sue the company for invasion of privatcy.
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#40 Sep 23, 2013
William wrote:
Why people insist on putting garbage into their bodies (and minds) willingly and without a fight never ceases to amaze me.
People have been putting "garbage" into their bodies since before the Ancients day of Egypt.

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