Renovate Tullio Arena ??

[er-ez]

I guess there are two questions here. First, to what extent does Tullio Arena need renovation. Second, Should Erie County or someone else pay for it?

[doofus]

The state put up 32 million to the county's 10. This is GOOD NEWS.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...

[Bismark]

Yeah, This is why they backed off of the Community College project for now. They are going to spend on this, then come back and spend on the College next year.

Convention Center Authority chairman Roger Richards has contributed to so many politiciansfrom Erie to Harrisburg to Washington that nobody can say no to him.(Lets not count Republican Gil Rocco, who spoke against this idea as a Erie County Executive candidate, but lost in the primary.)

Interesting to read Barry Grossman and Mike Kerner's opinions in the Erie newspaper today. They both had a chance to address the issue BEFORE County Council approved it at last week's meeting, but neither one attended. Now, after its too late, they have an opinion. Um, I thing leadership is saying something when it matters, not griping about things when its too late.

Don't blame me. I voted for Rocco.

[Bismark]

doofus wrote:

The state put up 32 million to the county's 10. This is GOOD NEWS.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...

Ya, That is the good part. I suppose spending other people's tax dollars is a clever way to entice us to spend our tax dollars. Its kind of like the person who buys something they don't need and boasts about the money they saved because it was on sale.

[nipsy]

doofus wrote:

The state put up 32 million to the county's 10. This is GOOD NEWS.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...

That is good news. Unfortunately, the BAD news is that the taxpayer is going to have to be on the hook for the other $10 Million - and the inevitable cost overruns that will most likely occur.

[point of view]

This is great news! being an otters fan i love the idea.btw,the seats and roof and expansion are just for starters.if they get this done,we may have a legitimate shot at getting the memorial cup here,and that is HUGE!. They estimate that an event like that could bring 200 million to the local economy if it happens!

[eriegolfer]

bring on the renovation
it needs it tell grossman and Kerner to go pound salt.

if we don't get the place fixed up the Otters are out of here and along with them the income for a lot of local people

[CRANK]

nipsy wrote:

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That is good news. Unfortunately, the BAD news is that the taxpayer is going to have to be on the hook for the other $10 Million - and the inevitable cost overruns that will most likely occur.

Gee. I wonder where the state got the $32M? Suppose it might be tax money?

[nipsy]

point of view wrote:

This is great news! being an otters fan i love the idea.btw,the seats and roof and expansion are just for starters.if they get this done,we may have a legitimate shot at getting the memorial cup here,and that is HUGE!. They estimate that an event like that could bring 200 million to the local economy if it happens!

That's a big "if!"

[snag]

another screw-up by Erie Co. government, the facility should have never been moved in the first place from I-90!!
Maybe it's cost effective to move it back out to I-90, easy to get to, more people would attend, and secure!!
Turn Tullio dog house into new court house offices, sell the old court house to Gannon! Erie Co., already spent millions on office re-do and keeps leasing more at taxpayers expense!

[Stu Pedaso]

The money tree that supports venues like the CC is dying and everyone associated with this project knows it. What guarantee do they have that the Otters or any other user of the CC will be there to support the millions they plan to spend?

[nipsy]

I think it is laughable that all the Otters fans and the CC people think that "if" they do this renovation they will get the Memorial Cup!? Whoopie freakin do! Memorial Cup? Please!

better get it in writing

[Proud Erie City Resident]

No need to renovate for $42 million.

Roger Richards got his new Convention Center and has seen no conventions. Stop trying to help us Roger! We get it already, you're a bigshot. You make things happen.

Why don't you pay for it and we'll put your name on it - a measly $10 million and it becomes the Roger Richards Place that is Never Full nor Hosts Winning Teams or Good Concerts.

[point of view]

nipsy wrote:

I think it is laughable that all the Otters fans and the CC people think that "if" they do this renovation they will get the Memorial Cup!? Whoopie freakin do! Memorial Cup? Please!
better get it in writing

Sorry some of us are hockey fans,and it is a big deal,as a matter of fact the mem cup is a huge deal.The OHL is no joke,if they dont get this done,there are plenty of cities licking thier chops at a chance to but a team like the otters.
they can put a million dollar scoreboard at the retarded uht park,then by all means the otters better get a little respect to.you can hate the idea if you want to but,its gonna happen and every time you get your check,smile and watch your taxes help pay for it.

[PUSS_E]

point of view wrote:

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its gonna happen and every time you get your check,smile and watch your taxes help pay for it.

Really? thanks for showing us just what a class act you Otters fans are.

The Memorial Cup can suck my exhaust pipe. If the Otters are so hard-on about the Memorial Cup let THEM go to the bank and take out a loan - just like the rest of us have to do when we need a big ticket item.

The days of taxpayer funded arena renovations and new construction are over with - so deal with THAT Mr. Roger Richards!

[eriegolfer]

It is not just the memorial cup
some of us otters fans just love the hockey
its nice to see kids you meet here going on to the NHL
how much of that 10 mil is coming out of your pocket?
may we can take up a collection and pay you back your 50 or 100 dollar share.
i bet you blow more in a weekend drinking than what it will cost you a year.
get over it

[Proud Erie City Resident]

Why don't you pay $200 to cover you and me and I'll stay home?

Or pay $100 a ticket since of course, the Otters rent will HAVE to go up, right? New facility means more rent. That's only fair. Same with Bayhawks. Concert tickets will nee to go up so we can ALL enjoy this great new facility.

How come everybody wants to and also feels like they have the right to spend my money?

[killer]

It's not your money,it's our money,people bitch there's nothing to do in erie,the CC brings in money and entertainment,so quit your whining,better than spending it in the ghetto area where they only trash things.

[Jerry]

Is it just me or does Roger Richards act kind of gay?

[Anderson Cooper]

Jerry wrote:

Is it just me or does Roger Richards act kind of gay?

Do you have a problem with gays?