Avon School Board Considering Redistr...

Avon School Board Considering Redistricting Proposal

There are 18 comments on the Hartford Courant story from Jun 10, 2008, titled Avon School Board Considering Redistricting Proposal. In it, Hartford Courant reports that:

The move would affect incoming kindergartners who live on Hollister Drive, the streets off Hollister and Lovely Street south of Hollister.

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CT Luver

Fond Du Lac, WI

#1 Jun 11, 2008
Why don't they tell the new people in town that they must attend certain schools? They are not embedded with relationships yet?

Sort of the union method of using seniority?
Avon Resident

Farmington, CT

#2 Jun 11, 2008
Why would the Superintendent of Schools and the Board of Education propose this redistricting because "some parents say (Roaring Brook School) is overcrowded"?

What sort of administration are we paying for? Does Dr. Kissel know or is he guessing re overcrowding? Does our BOE make changes because "some parents say" or do they assess the situation and then make a decision. Are they saying that Roaring Brook is not overcrowded? or just that some parents think it is?

Let's elect a BOE and hire a Superintendent who can make informed decisions and then implement them.
Avon Resident

South Windsor, CT

#3 Jun 11, 2008
Any BOE or Superintendent that does such a thing as late as May/June to parents and students for Sept. enrollment needs to be given the boot!
Avon parent

South Windsor, CT

#4 Jun 11, 2008
Gaining only 22 students at Pine Grove School doesn't seem like reason enough for redistricting. Why not hire another teacher at Roarding Brook School? Breaking up kids in one family into 2 differnt elementary schools seems ridiculous to me.
Frustrated in Avon

Gloucester, MA

#5 Jun 11, 2008
For Peggy Roell to explain "That's parents. It's change." is SO CONDESCENDING! It's not the change that is hard it is the disorginized, unthoughtful,arbitrary CHANGE that is hard. To vote on this TWO DAYS before the last day of school is decietful & magnifies their lack of planning.
Avon parent

Avon, CT

#6 Jun 11, 2008
"Why not hire another teacher at Roarding Brook School?"

Because the budget is not passing and they're CUTTING the BOE budget.

Did you vote "Avon Parent"?
Avon parent

South Windsor, CT

#7 Jun 11, 2008
Avon parent wrote:
"Why not hire another teacher at Roarding Brook School?"
Because the budget is not passing and they're CUTTING the BOE budget.
Did you vote "Avon Parent"?
Yes, I did vote and have many years of experience with different BOE's in different states. It is because of a lack of proper planning on their part and the superintendents that money was not allocated for another teacher. But don't think for a minute that this is an impossibility. You'd be surprised what the costs of redistricting are and so hiring another teacher or bringing one of the PGS teachers over to RBS are options the BOE need to consider.
concerned taxpayer

Springfield, MA

#8 Jun 11, 2008
Time and again, our town displays no vision for its education system and little regard for the taxpayers who support it. As a first step, Dr. Kissel should not look to re-districting to balance enrollment but investigate alternatives such magnet programs or school choice. Other districts with similar issues have organized neighborhood planning units. These are areas that constitute a neighborhood because of boundaries that are physical or social with the goal being to have neighborhood planning units of a manageable size stay together as units, regardless of the school identified for that zone. In other words, the district does not break up neighborhoods to balance enrollment. Other districts have commissioned studies by third party companies to ensure the community has an opportunity to have its say. Ultimately, this is a problem the community, parents and administration must come together to solve. Decisions made in isolation such as Kissel is recommending, are sure to fail.
Avon Resident

Farmington, CT

#9 Jun 12, 2008
concerned taxpayer wrote:
Time and again, our town displays no vision for its education system and little regard for the taxpayers who support it. As a first step, Dr. Kissel should not look to re-districting to balance enrollment but investigate alternatives such magnet programs or school choice. Other districts with similar issues have organized neighborhood planning units. These are areas that constitute a neighborhood because of boundaries that are physical or social with the goal being to have neighborhood planning units of a manageable size stay together as units, regardless of the school identified for that zone. In other words, the district does not break up neighborhoods to balance enrollment. Other districts have commissioned studies by third party companies to ensure the community has an opportunity to have its say. Ultimately, this is a problem the community, parents and administration must come together to solve. Decisions made in isolation such as Kissel is recommending, are sure to fail.
Exactly, lack of vision and planning. I am not saying that redistricting is the wrong thing to do, but can't believe that they have decided to do this because, as they put it, there is a "perceived" overcrowding at RBS. If Avon's superintendent and BOE don't know - why are they running our schools?
Bob

Boston, MA

#10 Jun 12, 2008
Spoken like a true person with more money than brains.

You sound like an Avon transient. Maybe you should hire another maid to clean your McMansion and volunteer so then the kids can stay where they are and they won't have to add another teacher to the budget.
Hiring another teacher is easy to say but there are a lot of older families that have been in Avon for decades and are on fixed incomes. They do not need to have their taxes raised everytime someone cries.
Avon parent wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I did vote and have many years of experience with different BOE's in different states. It is because of a lack of proper planning on their part and the superintendents that money was not allocated for another teacher. But don't think for a minute that this is an impossibility. You'd be surprised what the costs of redistricting are and so hiring another teacher or bringing one of the PGS teachers over to RBS are options the BOE need to consider.
Avon Mom

Gloucester, MA

#11 Jun 13, 2008
This is not about the budget!
It is about moving kids from one overcrowded school to another. This is basically 'emergency redistricting', voting on the disorganized plan 2 days before the end of school, decietful. This is a plan that is splitting up siblings between schools and dividing streets and neighboroods arbitrarily.
Bob

Boston, MA

#12 Jun 13, 2008
Cry me a river.

I grew up in Avon and we had 28 to 30 in each class and we didn't have any problems. The biggest problem now is the teachers are the ones that need to be medicated and not the kids. Teachers never had a problem with disciplining the students before.
Now the parents are so sue happy teachers won't do a thing.
bi-partisan mom

Wethersfield, CT

#13 Jun 13, 2008
Bob wrote:
Cry me a river.
I grew up in Avon and we had 28 to 30 in each class and we didn't have any problems. The biggest problem now is the teachers are the ones that need to be medicated and not the kids. Teachers never had a problem with disciplining the students before.
Now the parents are so sue happy teachers won't do a thing.
What are you talking about???? I am not even a mom whose kids are affected but I agree with the mom in the article. The decision to either split up your kids or send the older one to a different school then the one they've come adjusted to and settled in and without their neighborhood friends is not a good decision to hae to make.
I have never in my life heard of a town asking siblings to go to different k-4 schools. If your going to redistrict a neighborhood, then do the WHOLE neighborrhood so friends go together. Don't pick out certain families just to even out enrollment.
Bob, you obviously don't have any young children. If you did, what decision would you make. Split up siblings or send your settled, well-adjusted child who has friendships to a different school in the middle of their elementary school years? I am sure there has to be a better solution that won't affect the budget that your so concerned about.
Avon parent

South Windsor, CT

#14 Jun 13, 2008
Thank you, bi-partisan mom!! It's nice to know there are people out there who aren't just thinking budget and taxes, but are concerned about the families involved. I understand the feelings of Avon senior citizens who live on a fixed income, but come on, this "emergency re-districting" as another mom put it, is simply a bad plan. Why do taxes have to be raised for a more sensible solution. And I agree that doing this 2 days before the last day of school was deceitful and done on purpose so us "whining moms" are stuck with an unfair, arbitrary decision.
Bob, why is it that when a woman speaks up to protect the best interests of her family, we are "crying". Without us and all the volunteering that we do the system would crumble. Even the "McMansion" moms as you put it volunteer everyday. We have incredible moms in this town. For you to suggest we sit back while our maid cleans and eat bon bons is a mean and ridiculous comment. Why don't you get out of your time-warp and see what's really happening in the schools everyday. The RBS PTO is an amazing group of moms and dads who volunteer their time and efforts everyday to help the teachers and the administration be successful. Without your Avon schools, your home that you lived in for 28 years would not have increased in value as much as I'm sure it has since you've moved in.
All we are asking for is a fair and "community" based solution to the uneven enrollment in only ONE grade!!
avon taxpayer

Wethersfield, CT

#15 Jun 14, 2008
let's hope everyone gets a sensible outcome to all of this. splitting up kids in a family=bad idea
Avon father

Moodus, CT

#16 Jun 16, 2008
Some parents say it is overcrowded. The BOE is reacting to some parents cry about Roaring Brook School being overcrowded. Is it overcrowded? Or it is just the perception of some parents who strongly believe that their children have to be raised in a “perfect” world. Avon School System is an excellent school system. Many Avon residents do not realize how lucky they are to have this school system. Overcrowding is not an unsolvable problem. As long as new developments keep being built we will always have this problem.

Every summer the schools in Avon have to keep the teachers for next year in secret until the last minute to avoid probable from some parents who think they have the right to impose to the school who will be their teacher choice for their children. The same parents who spend 20 minutes unloading their children in the drop off zone instead parking their car. They think they own the school and the principal allow them to believe it. Some of these same parents allow their dogs to soil on the school gardens or even the soccer fields. These are the same parents who complain about overcrowding. What is the problem? Is it the lack of community spirit or the lack of social responsibility? Is it the search of perfection? Maybe is the “all about’ me thinking process? Is it learning in a class with few extra students the problem? Or are disciplining and the lack of respect the real problem? The lack of discipline and respect is a home problem which becomes a school problem when parents avoid true responsibility. I never understood why some parents feel entitle to more than the rest of residents of Avon. We are all the same. What is the problem?

My oldest son went to RBS. My oldest daughter went to RBS. My youngest daughter goes to RBS. We live less than ONE mile from RBS. With this new redistricting proposal my youngest son will have to go to Pine Grove. My wife and I know the staff at RBS. We know the teachers. We know the place. It has been part of our life for the last ten years. Our neighbors’ children go to RBS. Our friends’ children go to RBS. Now suddenly, the last week of the school we are finding out that our youngest son it is going to a new school. PGS is a good school. But the way that it is being done it is basically wrong. The BOE is reacting to the whine of a minority of parents. It is just trying to quiet them down. It is just patching a problem without really taking on the real problem. It is obvious the lack of planning. If the BOE really want to address the problem of overcrowding then they could just redistrict new neighborhoods with none or few consequences in people lives. To move 22 students it looks just ridiculous. Why the BOE redistrict all the new families who do not care where they go? Why do not redistrict the children of the unhappy parents who keep complaining about everything related to RBS? Is this permanent? Are you going to redistrict back in few years? I would not have a problem if I knew that the BOE had studied the problem and it had come with a rational plan of action. Perception is not reality.

Many parents and the BOE do not realize that not having the parents’ top choice for teacher may be a positive learning experience for their child. Or that maybe having a couple extra children in their class may help them to adjust in their future. Or that it could help some parents to increase the time that they spend supervising their children homework. The world out there is not a “perfect” one. Children, as they grow will have to addapt in order to success. Good luck Dr. Kisiel and the BOE. You may be trying to do the right thing but you are doing it the wrong way!!!!

Since: Jun 08

Live in Avon

#17 Jun 22, 2008
Just wondering if it's occurred to anyone that there's more to Avon than its education system? While it is a parent's responsibility to ensure that their children have access to the best possible educational resources, there are some who go too far, completely disregarding the value of so many others who live differently from them. Pretty darn selfish to expect, even demand that everything revolve around their needs...afterall, their's are the only ones that matter.
another Avon mom

Farmington, CT

#18 Mar 9, 2009
I have two children in that are on the list to be redistricted. I went to RBS and have lived here on Lovely street my entire life. I have seen how much Avon has grown. How is it that I knew that all the new delelopment was going to impact RBS but Mr Kissel and The BOE didn't? Why was no preventative action taken with each new Building permit? It's sad when things that could have been avoided with advanced planning now have to now be fixed at the expense and disregard for a childs comfort level.

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