Even if school open, vets not forgotten

Even if school open, vets not forgotten

There are 9 comments on the Connecticut Post story from Nov 14, 2007, titled Even if school open, vets not forgotten. In it, Connecticut Post reports that:

Former Navy Seal John Rice, a Viet Nam Veteran ,gives his grand son Mitchell Head 10 a hug at Holland Hill School during Veterans Day activities at the Fairfield Elementary School.

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John W Chalus

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Nov 15, 2007
John Rice is not a former Navy SEAL. There is no John Rice in our database of men who have completed UDT/SEAL training. Our database goes back to World War II when we were called NCDU and UDT. As a former SEAL I am appalled at this phony wannabe trying to claim an honor that he never earned. He should be outed as the fake that he is. John Chalus SEAL Team ONE 1970-1973 BUD/S Class 57 Vietnam Vet
Steve Robinson

West Plains, MO

#2 Nov 15, 2007
There are ten (10) men with the last name RICE in the SEAL Database (1945 to Present Day)… but NONE has either the first name JOHN (or any variation thereof), or a middle initial “J”. So unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a legal name change (an action for which there would be court documentation which could be examined) since the military service which is loudly proclaimed by the Navy SEAL emblem he wears on his clothing, it can be stated conclusively that JOHN RICE has NEVER COMPLETED SEAL training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL.
It is quite common for those making fraudulent SEAL claims to cite a “secret” training class,“special selection and skills which allowed them to bypass BUD/S training”, or “secret missions” as an explanation for the lack of military documentation to back up their stories. They also tend to claim their military records are “sealed” and cannot be accessed. All of those notions are straight out of Hollywood; not real life. Despite anything the man might have said, there are NO secret SEALs. Before any classified operations may be undertaken, a man must first successfully complete the totally unclassified BUD/S Training program. The graduates of that training program are listed in the SEAL database – an unclassified document which is nonetheless considered “highly sensitive” and therefore not available for general public circulation. That document is not purged or altered after the fact when men are involved in classified operations. There have been and will continue to be secret missions, but there are NO secret SEALs.
I suggest that someone ask Mr. RICE three questions:
(1) What was his BUD/S Class Number?(NB: No SEAL ever forgets the class number he shouted at the top of his lungs all day long, every day, for 6 months)
(2) Where did his training take place?(NB: Training has been conducted at several locations over the years; different portions in different places)
(3) When did he graduate from Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training?(a specific graduation DATE – day/month/year)
There are many other questions which could be asked to further establish the level of veracity or untruth regarding SEAL claims, but those three questions are absolutes; the answers are totally UNCLASSIFIED, and every real SEAL will gladly provide that substantiating information upon request.
I might suggest that someone also ask Mr. RICE to specifically identify WHICH SEAL Team(s) he served on, and when. If he feels that his name has somehow been mistakenly omitted from the SEAL records, the Director of the Naval Special Warfare Archives is only a phone call or email away and standing by to amend the records. However, this same offer has been made to literally tens of thousands of SEAL imposters in the last six years, and none of them ever turned out to be a valid SEAL.
Ken

Pleasanton, CA

#3 Nov 16, 2007
There are ten (10) men with the last name RICE in the SEAL Database (1945 to Present Day)… but NONE has either the first name JOHN (or any variation thereof), or a middle initial “J”. So unless he has undertaken the unlikely action of a legal name change (an action for which there would be court documentation which could be examined) since the military service which is loudly proclaimed by the Navy SEAL emblem he wears on his clothing, it can be stated conclusively that JOHN RICE has NEVER COMPLETED SEAL training, and he is not now, nor was he ever a Navy SEAL.

It is quite common for those making fraudulent SEAL claims to cite a “secret” training class,“special selection and skills which allowed them to bypass BUD/S training”, or “secret missions” as an explanation for the lack of military documentation to back up their stories. They also tend to claim their military records are “sealed” and cannot be accessed. All of those notions are straight out of Hollywood; not real life. Despite anything the man might have said, there are NO secret SEALs. Before any classified operations may be undertaken, a man must first successfully complete the totally unclassified BUD/S Training program. The graduates of that training program are listed in the SEAL database – an unclassified document which is nonetheless considered “highly sensitive” and therefore not available for general public circulation. That document is not purged or altered after the fact when men are involved in classified operations. There have been and will continue to be secret missions, but there are NO secret SEALs.

I suggest that someone ask Mr. RICE three questions:

(1) What was his BUD/S Class Number?(NB: No SEAL ever forgets the class number he shouted at the top of his lungs all day long, every day, for 6 months)

(2) Where did his training take place?(NB: Training has been conducted at several locations over the years; different portions in different places)

(3) When did he graduate from Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL (BUD/S) training?(a specific graduation DATE – day/month/year)

There are many other questions which could be asked to further establish the level of veracity or untruth regarding SEAL claims, but those three questions are absolutes; the answers are totally UNCLASSIFIED, and every real SEAL will gladly provide that substantiating information upon request.

I might suggest that someone also ask Mr. RICE to specifically identify WHICH SEAL Team(s) he served on, and when. If he feels that his name has somehow been mistakenly omitted from the SEAL records, the Director of the Naval Special Warfare Archives is only a phone call or email away and standing by to amend the records. However, this same offer has been made to literally tens of thousands of SEAL imposters in the last six years, and none of them ever turned out to be a valid SEAL.
Christine

East Hartford, CT

#4 Nov 16, 2007
you would think the Connecticut Post would check before printing. That is sad.
Joe Zen

San Antonio, TX

#5 Jul 16, 2008
John W Chalus wrote:
John Rice is not a former Navy SEAL. There is no John Rice in our database of men who have completed UDT/SEAL training. Our database goes back to World War II when we were called NCDU and UDT. As a former SEAL I am appalled at this phony wannabe trying to claim an honor that he never earned. He should be outed as the fake that he is. John Chalus SEAL Team ONE 1970-1973 BUD/S Class 57 Vietnam Vet
Did J.T. Lutz go to your same class?
John Chalus

Berlin, NJ

#6 Nov 1, 2009
Joe Zen wrote:
<quoted text>
Did J.T. Lutz go to your same class?
No he did not. I do remember a Lutz but I think he may have been a East Coast SEAL (SEAL Team TWO)
Sam from Connecticut

Terryville, CT

#7 Nov 1, 2009
We will never forget them. May GOD bless them all.
insight

Holyoke, MA

#9 Jan 29, 2014
The database contains less than 11,000 men. The UDTs merged with the SEALs in1983. Names are still scattered and there was no database before 1999.Jesse Ventura is not on the database,either, as are not many other authentic former UDTs . Mr. Chalus should do his homework before he makes unassured remarks, however , there are as many guru internet freaks out there as are phoneys. Wake up, stop assuming and generalizing by slandering before you know for sure.
Joblow

Pasadena, TX

#10 Jul 24, 2014
Ret frogman : I been to the worst hell holes on earth and Them weeks of buds training where the worst weeks of my career and for those guy who been there know your neck hurts every time you see a boat after that

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