Northern Cherokee Nation of Missouri and Arkansas

[KiowaKat]

ONLY real legit enrollment comes from the 3 federal recognized cherokee tribes, all these other Cherokee "tribes, nations,clans,bands" of missouri are pulling your leg, wanting you to support the top dogs of that bogus group..becareful, do you research, the state of missouri pushed the cherokee off to oklahoma in 1828 (treaty is there to read), that means no tribes were left behind to govern here in missouri, so if you hear a tribe of missouri, you'll know they are just askin to have benefits that legit American Indians have, and pay membership fees, real tribe members don't pay membership fees, NCNOLT steals our culture for their own, NCNOLT fabricate their history so they can legitimize themselves with the surrounding area communities, that don't know better about who is ndn and who is not. HELLO, NCNOLT ARE BOGUS WANNBE NDNS.

[Rebecca S Fisher Burruss]

I and my 2 sisters & 1 brother are decendants of N. Cherokee Tribe and wanted to find out if they have been federal recognized so we could get some help and brought up to date on our History of our Ancesters & Heritage. Please contact me at [e-mail]. I will pray for all these request and hope that things will be resolved God would not want these things to be going on, keep praying it is Gods Will that his people be taken care of & He will answer.

[Dan Akin]

I repeat, Beverly Northup and her gang, having sent her false "official" history of the NCNOLT, and the Northern Cherokees in general, to the BIA, have made it impossible for the Northern Cherokees to be federally recognized. They do not meet the criteria for recognition.
Dan.

[Concerned CNO Citizen]

Dana, what funding are you talking about that your school gets for them self identifying as Native? Johnson O'Malley can only count students who are enrolled members of a federally recognized tribe. As far as I know, all federal money utilized for Indian Education utilize the same criteria: That each qualifying student MUST be a member of a federally recognized tribe. So, as members of teh Northern Cherokee, their school wouldn't recieve JOM or other federal monies.

[Concerned CNO Citizen]

correction.... the only federal monies they might be entitled to is a Title VII Office of Indian Ed. grant, in which case you would have filled out a federal 506 form, but is dependant on state guidelines. but different activities are funded through different federal programs, and the federal guidelines for each program must be followed or the school would risk losing their funding. Is this the money you're talking about?

[Don]

The Title VII grant outline Indians that don't belong to a tribe or used to, but looks like they have federal dollars even id they cannot belong or meet the C.D.I.B. that many of the Fed, tribes hold.

[Don]

KiowaKat wrote:

ONLY real legit enrollment comes from the 3 federal recognized cherokee tribes, all these other Cherokee "tribes, nations,clans,bands" of missouri are pulling your leg, wanting you to support the top dogs of that bogus group..becareful, do you research, the state of missouri pushed the cherokee off to oklahoma in 1828 (treaty is there to read), that means no tribes were left behind to govern here in missouri, so if you hear a tribe of missouri, you'll know they are just askin to have benefits that legit American Indians have, and pay membership fees, real tribe members don't pay membership fees, NCNOLT steals our culture for their own, NCNOLT fabricate their history so they can legitimize themselves with the surrounding area communities, that don't know better about who is ndn and who is not. HELLO, NCNOLT ARE BOGUS WANNBE NDNS.

We both know many of these tribes have started up over the yeaers, most in the last 10 years. I also know manny people have cherokee blood, but also many don't and also have been charging for membership with these new formed tribes,bands and nation. I also know that the Fed.
Many people were not allowed on the Dawes roll account living outside the stare of Oklahoma, but I also feel they should allow the Miller and other rolls be allowed for membership in to a tribe.

[Don]

The reason this would put many a final stop to all these nes tribes trying to come on board. Why not open the membership and if a Indian can show real prove that they had people on the rolls be allowed membership into the tribe.

[Don]

Dan Akin wrote:

I repeat, Beverly Northup and her gang, having sent her false "official" history of the NCNOLT, and the Northern Cherokees in general, to the BIA, have made it impossible for the Northern Cherokees to be federally recognized. They do not meet the criteria for recognition.
Dan.

You our right about the Northup lady and she also has a book she wrote, which is full of B.S., she broke away and formed her own tribe back in the late 80' account she was voted out of office as Chief for I think they were called then Northern Cherokee Indians of Missouri. This was two or three other tribes formed,and where many other tribes came out of them all across Missouri,Arksans, Kansas and Oklahoma.

[KiowaKat]

Dan Akin wrote:

I repeat, Beverly Northup and her gang, having sent her false "official" history of the NCNOLT, and the Northern Cherokees in general, to the BIA, have made it impossible for the Northern Cherokees to be federally recognized. They do not meet the criteria for recognition.
Dan.

hiya Dan email me [e-mail], I emailed you but its not going thru..

[Don]

KiowaKat & Akin have you read the book that Beverly Baker wrote about the Norhten Cherokee?

[Don]

Dan Akin wrote:

I repeat, Beverly Northup and her gang, having sent her false "official" history of the NCNOLT, and the Northern Cherokees in general, to the BIA, have made it impossible for the Northern Cherokees to be federally recognized. They do not meet the criteria for recognition.
Dan.

Catch 22, if you look the criteria that the Feds have out now would stop them in their tracks as far as getting recognized, but they filed as did a few others, before the new criteria came out over the rules of becoming federally recognitions.

[Dan Akin]

I helped Beverly with her book and am named in it in several places. I swallowed her false claims about my Green family as "gospel truth" until I discovered researchers in my family who were doing a REAL genealogical and historical search. Beverly claims that we are descended from a full-blood Cherokee named on the 1835 Henderson Roll. His name was Gardner Green. He would be one of my 6th greatgrandfathers. I have 127 other 6th greatgrandfathers. A DNA test was done of this Green line and it showed that my Gardner Green 6th greatgrandfather came from England. There are too many false claims in Northup's book for it to ever be used as a history of an Indian tribe. Just one simple fact, an extremely easy one to discover, disproves Northup's entire history. Her Green family arrived in Boone County. MO from Henry County, KY around 1831/33. They had nothing to do with the "Old Louisiana Territory." I'm not sure that any of her ancestors did. Naming her group "Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory" means that Northup doesn't even qualify to be a member of her own group. You have to have continuity in a cohesive local community to be concidered a band or nation in an already existing Indian tribe (that's right, the Cherokee name has already been taken). She claims that her group is a "nation" like the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. Well, nations have elections. The CNO was patterned after the US government. Northup will not allow elections and there have been no elections, of any kind, since 1984. Does anyone think that the BIA will just overlook that?

[Don]

This Baker/Northup was put together and not even really heard of until the break up of the tribe her and many others belonged to back in the late 70s, in which they had a election and she was voted out. Then the spin started and the forming of about three tribe,band or nations came out of this.
She took most her family records and her supporters and formed what is now called Louisiana group, and been making money for years going around and getting peopleto support the tribe.( She is now Chief for life )Out of this group some people got pissed off and went out and form other cherokee tribes.

When the break up happen Don Coones (?) form a tribe also, just Norht of SpringField.

The what was called the Green band, change and set up a office at Clinton,Missouri, and is called the Norhtren Cherokee Nation of Missouri and later added Arkansas.
Also people got up-set with the tribe after the Chief also made himself Chief for life and some broke off and formed tribes down south.

They all applied with the BIA ,and most of them have got grants along the way also.

[alivia]

i agree on what my dad has wrote. i think that a lot of people make up things to what ever they want ..but i also think that we all have so much of all kinds of blood with in us unless your 100% indian than your like the rest of us just somewhat of an indian ..but i think its very nice that they would even want to be something that back then was not the most popular thing to be ..indian ...i think if we all get back to the way indians lived and the way they are so much a part of nature and respected the earth ..the world would be a better place i think we all can learn much more from them then just having some indian blood ...alivia

[Carleen Redbird Grant]

As a tribal member of the Northern Cherokee of Missouri and Arkansas, it sickens me to see what has happened to our tribe. I have been away and recently got on-line to see when the next pow-wow was going to be--only to discover it has all fallen apart! Chief Grey Owl was an awesome person and I will never forget him! My children came and understood what I had been telling them for years. Reading the "Apple" tribe home page brought me to tears!!

[Bill]

Chief Griggs heart was right, and a lot of good came from this man .

[Tracy]

Wow... I am stunned. I have always wondered why I haven't received any newsletters or any of the other very important financial docs. etc. I had know idea this was even going on! I may only be 1/32 Cherokee but I am proud of it anyway and obviously lied to as well. I had my entire family (about 30 people) join the NCN tribe in 99 or 2000. I am feeling very sick to my stomach that someone or someone(s) would be so hurtfull and deceitful. I live in CA and was born and raised here but I do have many ancestors from MO. How am I going to tell my family members who are all proud of being part of the NCN that they are liars and cheats? Geeee Wizzzzz this stinks

[Tracy]

Hi sorry... by the way I live in Durham, CA... i don't know why it plugged in Red Bluff, CA. Does the NCN even have a web site anymore? I have looked and looked an come up with nothing.