Douglasville City Council can't agree on final play propsal

Apr 1, 2013 Full story: Douglas County Sentinel 42

The Douglasville City Council failed to finalized the amounts to include in a new pay proposal Monday after five council members voted against the proposal.

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formerresident

Decatur, GA

#1 Apr 3, 2013
I have had no safe access into my home due to driveway and wall destroyed, that are built on top of a culvert, that is relied upon to manage water, and attaches to public system, for three years and six months!
I cannot insure safety for tenants who live there, and I moved. This has created financial hardship. Nobody is benefiting from this problem, not the public who is getting flooded, or me who has no safe access. This is absurd, that it has been three years, and six months. I have jumped through every hoop. While you are trying to figure out your salary, the citizens are going unattended. What do you want me to do? I have given you hydrology studies, pulled all of your records, spoken out at WSA, tried my best to explain, given you a list of funding sources, all available to you and none to me.
You are collecting fees for this usage, and I cannot safely lease my home. I moved. Don't you think before you vote yourselves a raise, that you should address? This is not just a pipe. This is a public water system that we the people are relying upon. This is a 27 year resident who has been asking for some assistance, so I can move forward with my life. I depend upon this for rent.
We the people are getting a raw deal. Your salary? Get a list of comparable cities about the same size and follow their model. It is time to address the life support that is at the place where you began growth. You placed the model under a driveway, not me. You extended it under the neighbors driveway and attach it to the street, and then on downstream.
We purchased brand new You maintained it. It is in the final plat. You collect the fees. WE RELY UPON IT. You are responsible for managing water, not the homeowner with no resources to maintain it.
I want to access my home without fear. Fix this problem already. We the people deserve that. You are not serving we the people and you are trying to figure out how much more to pay you, while denying safe access into a home for three years and six months, and I rely upon this income. FIX IT.
Chicknbutt

Douglasville, GA

#2 Apr 3, 2013
formerresident wrote:
FIX IT.
An honest question: Why don't you fix it?
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#3 Apr 3, 2013
Great question. Let's see if I had a million dollars to resize the public drainage easement/culvert perhaps I would or could. Also If I were a civil and a structural engineer maybe I could do that. If I could dig under my neighbors driveway to make sure the pipe was sized correctly,( it's one pipe)and then under creekwood drive to make sure it works with the catch basin at the street, and of course if I collected fees then I would have the funds.
You see this isn't just a pipe under a driveway, this is a culvert, that requires extensive engineering. It has headwalls and wingwalls. While I know what those words are, I don't know what in the world to do with them.

The other reason is that I didn't sign up to be the retention for the Chapel Hill Stewart Mill corridor and it takes a 50' concrete retention wall to handle all of the water It is my creek, so I am not sure why all of the water from up above is flowing there. Nobody asked if they could use my creek, and all was built after my home was built. None of this was built by my husband or me.

So you see I have no skills, no resources for this kind of problem are even available for a private homeowner
So while I can write all of this, I have no skills to fix any of it. It took me a couple years to learn what all is involved.

Oh yes, the biggest outside of all of that is that we never would have bought this home with these current terms, discussed them upfront, and the city did maintain it, and the WSA collects fees for it, and the public relies upon it, so it just sort of surprises me that all the rules changed, without anybody bothering to let us know. And now my driveway is on the verge of collapse and there is a wall supporting this driveway, severely damaged from all of the water flowing through. And get this... As the original owner never even knew the wall was there, as it is on my downstream neighbors side, but belongs to me. It is the retention for a major city block or two. Who knew? We bought brand new, years ago, and it was all showcased for sale.

Moving, three and a half years of lost rent, insurance that won't cover any of this, multiple dollars spent in engineers, If I could have I would have.
Hope that helps explain.
Chicknbutt

Douglasville, GA

#4 Apr 3, 2013
Don't make it so complicated. Hire a redneck with a backhoe and a few feet of pipe, change it out, pay the bill. Forget all that complicated stuff.

Then send the bill to your lawyer and ask him to sue the city for it.

And if the city doesn't like your driveway repair, tell them get their butts out and do something different.

And you get to move on with your life....
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#5 Apr 3, 2013
Ignorance is bliss. So simple.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#6 Apr 4, 2013
Send the story to the TV news teams. They love stuff like this
Pay Up

New York, NY

#7 Apr 4, 2013
formerresident wrote:
Ignorance is bliss. So simple.
Then be happy!
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#8 Apr 4, 2013
Somebody out there following all of this, please help me. I have done everything I know to do, and jumped through every hoop. I want to recover and the citizens getting flooded deserve better then this.We the people are not getting a fair deal here. Others are impacted by the negligence here. I have three trees of paper.In America, you should not be able to just take a home, while you drag feet, because one person stood forward watching cars crash at the street, and became educated.
Just because I learned a few things, does not mean I am capable of fixing the first issue here. All resources are available to the government. We trusted our paperwork. We trusted you to permit correctly. We relied on lawyers and experts. What else could I possibly say at this point? What other evidence do you want? I have photos. I have hydrology. I have information. I am the original owner. We didn't build it. We bought brand new. We trusted you. We trusted our paperwork and forms. I see forest, my husband saw trees. He can prove every word I say. He took photos that prove maintenance. It took me two years to find them, but I did.
The spirit of the law is amiss.
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#9 Apr 4, 2013
formerresident wrote:
Somebody out there following all of this, please help me. I have done everything I know to do, and jumped through every hoop. I want to recover and the citizens getting flooded deserve better then this.We the people are not getting a fair deal here. Others are impacted by the negligence here. I have three trees of paper.In America, you should not be able to just take a home, while you drag feet, because one person stood forward watching cars crash at the street, and became educated.
Just because I learned a few things, does not mean I am capable of fixing the first issue here. All resources are available to the government. We trusted our paperwork. We trusted you to permit correctly. We relied on lawyers and experts. What else could I possibly say at this point? What other evidence do you want? I have photos. I have hydrology. I have information. I am the original owner. We didn't build it. We bought brand new. We trusted you. We trusted our paperwork and forms. I see forest, my husband saw trees. He can prove every word I say. He took photos that prove maintenance. It took me two years to find them, but I did.
The spirit of the law is amiss.
I don't doubt your getting screwed. Everybody in Arbor Station is.

But really - you need to get from the street to your driveway. Put in a pipe, pave over it, and move on with your life.

If nobody ELSE will do anything, you should. It's your house.

Now go hire that redneck with a backhoe.
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#10 Apr 4, 2013
You do know that when it gets dug up by me, people on creekwood will be trapped. The pipe will be split in half.
And there is the destroyed wall on the other side supporting it, providing retention for the busiest intersection in Douglasville.
Send me some rednecks with backhoes. I have had enough. Maybe the county would donate some prisoners for the job. I am tapped out. No rent for three plus years and all the legal costs of trying to get resolution have wiped me out.
ChicknButt

Decatur, GA

#11 Apr 4, 2013
formerresident wrote:
You do know that when it gets dug up by me, people on creekwood will be trapped. The pipe will be split in half.
Sometimes a little anarchy is what is necessary to get things done.
formerresident wrote:
Send me some rednecks with backhoes.
Can't help ya there. I've got my own problems to deal with.
Pay Up

New York, NY

#12 Apr 4, 2013
Hey ChicknButt - you are in a no-logic zone when you are in one of Tammy's threads.

Apparently she ran out of meds yesterday and decided to link yet another unrelated news story to her tale of woe. I guess that she is on a six week schedule.

Lawyers and engineers can't help her but Topix will!
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#13 Apr 4, 2013
Bob- Get a grip. Take down the sign in the office, life liberty and pursuit of happiness.
Anybody who lives here is in a no logic zone. The facts speak for themselves.
The feds heads are spinning with this one. The number of people who have said to me, "They do what?" chuckle, chuckle.
you see the one fact that you can't overlook, underneath all of the trees that you keep sending me is ....."It's there!"

And Topix, well that is where people actually have conversations.. More insanity.

What unrelated news story are you referencing this week?
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#14 Apr 9, 2013
Pay Up wrote:
Hey ChicknButt - you are in a no-logic zone when you are in one of Tammy's threads.
Apparently she ran out of meds yesterday and decided to link yet another unrelated news story to her tale of woe. I guess that she is on a six week schedule.
Lawyers and engineers can't help her but Topix will!
The comedy here is that every fact is public record. You have to pay for the public records, your taxes aren't enough.

Massive amounts of storm water are attacking you, flowing down the drain. You don't think they stop at my land do you?
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#16 Apr 12, 2013
formerresident wrote:
You do know that when it gets dug up by me, people on creekwood will be trapped. The pipe will be split in half.
And there is the destroyed wall on the other side supporting it, providing retention for the busiest intersection in Douglasville.
Send me some rednecks with backhoes. I have had enough. Maybe the county would donate some prisoners for the job. I am tapped out. No rent for three plus years and all the legal costs of trying to get resolution have wiped me out.
You have no detention.
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#17 Apr 12, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't doubt your getting screwed. Everybody in Arbor Station is.
But really - you need to get from the street to your driveway. Put in a pipe, pave over it, and move on with your life.
If nobody ELSE will do anything, you should. It's your house.
Now go hire that redneck with a backhoe.
At first I thought it was everybody in Arbor Station, but then I accessed the public records, for a fee of course, and realized the real victims are downstream in the county in entire subdivisions wiped out. Poor folks just think it's raining harder, when it rains, and they get flooded. After all, its fine on a dry day. They don't understand that the center intake is under my driveway, that the city fails to maintain, and they are being wiped out from three directions.
No detention, except around a driveway, half the water misses the pipe. How sad. Ignorance is bliss, but very expensive, for we the taxpayer. The joke is on us. We think it just our tax bill. It is our homes, and roads.
In the meantime the city is trying to solve their salary problem, instead of protecting our homes. We rank #1 in foreclosures in the state.
Blame it on God, the great developer is what they say. The stream channel maps, and lack of detention speak a different truth. You have to pay extra to access those maps. Our leaders would rather blame God, on a rainy day. We would rather believe them too. Facts speak a different truth.
Guest

Douglasville, GA

#18 Apr 13, 2013
It sounds like you need to get put on the agenda at one of the city council meetings and voice your complaints publically. Several of those either on the city council or who run the city actually live in Arbor Station. Get yourself placed in the public record as having a valid complaint.
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#19 Apr 13, 2013
Thank you. I have been there, and they are aware of my complaint, and yes they even in Arbor Station know of this situation. I cannot make anybody answer the phone. It is on public record. I was there in September, and at a Arbor Station meeting in October and not on public record, but there also a few weeks ago, and at more meetings then I can count at the WSA over three years, that are also on public record. I have spoken multiple times at WSA and also not spoken, but been there too. For me, the easiest place to deliver all of this has been at WSA, because the mayor and county commissioner sit on the board.
"It rang, and it rang, and it rang" Some understand the quote, some don't.
I have been to more government agencies in person, on phone and via email and letter then I can count. I am very good at copying paper!
I will go back, and take your advice. I am exhausted. It has been a full time effort over three and a half years and want to move forward with my life.
The only place where people actually have conversations regarding this issue is topix, and I have been here quite a bit as well.
This is the biggest misuse of our personal and public tax dollars then I can comprehend, and I know we are not only throwing water down the drain, but our money as well. I have so much paper, that I cannot physically even carry it anymore. It weights too much.I will take your advice.
Hit Nail on Head

Douglasville, GA

#20 Apr 14, 2013
Guest wrote:
Get yourself placed in the public record as having a valid complaint.
Maybe that is what the problem is, that the complaint is not valid.

WSA has done plenty for other people who have had floods, but poor ol' formerresident - no relief. They won't even answer the phone.

According to formerresident every drop of storm water in Douglasville goes thru his driveway and there is panic in the streets every time it rains. The City, which charges a fee to have a yard sale, and WSA decided to look the other way when Kohls was built and not collect tens of thousands of dollars in permitting fees. Yeah, right.

Keep it coming formerresident, at least it Topix makes someone feel better.
formerresident

Decatur, GA

#21 Apr 14, 2013
My backyard is where you began growth, and the intake placed under the driveway, because it was fraudulently sold and placed.

You said it didn't matter. Nobody would ever care or know. It was only paper.

Then you added harm, one step at a time. My husband died during the beginning of these water attacks, and I moved away, so when you built and grew, I just didn't know. Then nobody complained, so you said it didn't matter, it must be okay.
Then I returned to the home purchased long ago, and we had a flood and education began. By then you had layered and layered it with a huge permitting planning mess, and had made my backyard, and driveway the detention for this massive growth.

The flood is when I moved from ignorance to education, watching water at the street, and cars crashing there. You blamed it on God, and he certainly had a part, but I couldn't explain why the driveway had been separating from the home.
Got lawyers and engineers involved, and together we researched the facts, and the key fact was that Kohls was allowed to exist, with no permits, my backyard the place where they placed their water to exist. Again, counting on ignorance that nobody would ever know.
You just didn't care where the water flowed.
You broke the law, and said who cares? Buyer beware? Then we learned the rest of the mess, while you took care of the top, and ignored we the people flooded down below. You continue to blame it all on God, but the facts say different.
So go research these facts for yourself. D on't rely on me. Kohs is pretty easy to prove, where does this water go? Where is the detention for the Chapel Hill Stewart mill road corridor? It takes education to understand. The water flows low, ends up in my land, running around a driveway, wiping out roads and homes down below.

When chapel hill stewart mill road was built up on top, my home was here, and multiple laws continued to be broken, through using my land as the unmanaged watershed. Where is your detention pond? It is my backyard.

As for Kohls, the engineers have found this. You can check for yourself the permits, there is no paperwork for them to exist. The state said it okay too.
Don't believe me, go check it out yourself. Now that I have let the cat out of the bag, it should be pretty easy to verify. Go research it. Do not rely on my word.

Nobody answers the phone because it is a system problem of which I am in the middle of and of which the government created. I can't fight the government. They are allowed to break the law, and be accountable to nobody.

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