World Vision reverses decision to hire Christians in gay marriages

Mar 27, 2014 Full story: The Montreal Gazette 72

Facing a firestorm of protest, the prominent Christian relief agency World Vision on Wednesday dropped a two-day old policy that would have allowed the charity to hire Christians in same-sex marriages.

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Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#1 Mar 27, 2014
Christians manipulate people by lying to them
.
Now we can add a new one
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"Fundamentalists manipulate people by lying to each other"

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#2 Mar 27, 2014
Ah, yes. The good "christians". The ones that are commanded by their savior and their god to love and accept everyone and to judge no one. Except, apparently, anyone that the good "christians" decide that it's okay to hate and judge.

What would *Jesus* know about loving and accepting people?? Who said HE was all that??

What a bunch of hypocritical fools.
Frontline Fighter

Uniontown, PA

#3 Mar 27, 2014
eJohn wrote:
Ah, yes. The good "christians". The ones that are commanded by their savior and their god to love and accept everyone and to judge no one. Except, apparently, anyone that the good "christians" decide that it's okay to hate and judge.
What would *Jesus* know about loving and accepting people?? Who said HE was all that??
What a bunch of hypocritical fools.
This is not about hate and judging. Christians know that any time you open the door to gays in position of influence, liberal beliefs flood in. Christians are charged with being discerning. That is radically different from "judging." If one cannot be discerning regarding standards then one cannot have any standards at all.

Also, before any of you wax poetic about Christians not caring about the children served by World Vision, you should know that churches are bombarded with a wealth of Christian charities begging for the support of churches to do their good work in the world. Not only that, but most denominations have their own missionaries to support. Church leaders are continually examining the criteria to decide who gets their support. World Vision just recognized, and rightly so, that they had pushed themselves far down in the competition when they announced their decision to hire "married gays."

No matter what hate gays spew about Christians and spread their own misunderstandings about the faith, they should rest assured that not only will they not destroy Christianity but also the controversy over "gay marriage" will continue for decades, just as the controversy over abortion has not died down, picking up new steam and new anti-abortion converts over time.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#4 Mar 27, 2014
Set up the tables, the Money Changers are coming.

Today's Christianity in action.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#5 Mar 27, 2014
Frontline Fighter wrote:
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No matter what hate gays spew about Christians and spread their own misunderstandings about the faith, they should rest assured that not only will they not destroy Christianity but also the controversy over "gay marriage" will continue for decades, just as the controversy over abortion has not died down, picking up new steam and new anti-abortion converts over time.
You are somewhat correct, but I take umbrage at your use of "gays" as tho all gay people have the exact same feelings toward Christians, and your indictment of us with the phrase "...what hate gays spew about Christians". Most of us harbor no ill-will toward Christians, but we do disagree vehemently with "christians". As far as I am aware, the majority of us what no part of "destroying Christianity". But until the "christians" of this world cease their attempt to run this country, and our lives, by their dogma, we will fight with every tool in the toolbox to thwart them. And I feel you would do the same if we attempted to bar you from the rights of every citizen by virtue of your religion.
Sick of Bigots and Morons

San Francisco, CA

#6 Mar 27, 2014
I'm so disappointed. I thought the headline meant that World Vision had reversed their decision to hire ANY Christians so they'd know what discrimination felt like. But, keep pushing those "religious conscience" laws you guys and I'll have a "No Christians Allowed" sign up the instant it's passed.
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#7 Mar 27, 2014
Frontline Fighter wrote:
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This is not about hate and judging. Christians know that any time you open the door to gays in position of influence, liberal beliefs flood in. Christians are charged with being discerning. That is radically different from "judging." If one cannot be discerning regarding standards then one cannot have any standards at all.
Also, before any of you wax poetic about Christians not caring about the children served by World Vision, you should know that churches are bombarded with a wealth of Christian charities begging for the support of churches to do their good work in the world. Not only that, but most denominations have their own missionaries to support. Church leaders are continually examining the criteria to decide who gets their support. World Vision just recognized, and rightly so, that they had pushed themselves far down in the competition when they announced their decision to hire "married gays."
Indeed, I found some "christian" web site and this article was on it. The comments section was like pure comedy: People on both "sides" of the debate were telling the other with "authority" that they did not care about the children.
Frontline Fighter wrote:
No matter what hate gays spew about Christians and spread their own misunderstandings about the faith,
This in and of itself is highly manipulative. They're entitled to their belief like you are.

You cannot budge them. Their passion is equal to yours.
Frontline Fighter wrote:
they should rest assured that not only will they not destroy Christianity
That you think this is the goal explains a great deal.
Frontline Fighter wrote:
but also the controversy over "gay marriage" will continue for decades, just as the controversy over abortion has not died down, picking up new steam and new anti-abortion converts over time.
This is so immaterial that a small smile actually escaped me. You see, as you and I both know, the abortion "debate" has reached a point where people are UNAPOLOGETICALLY headstrong about their opinions. People -- and this is a shock, if you think about it -- don't even care anymore if those against abortion call it "murder." Look at them. Bear witness. It has not stopped their fervor and savage determination.

Same with the pro-gay. They proceed from *deeply held moral beliefs*, and nothing will budge them. This seems to be the only way to explain it so that it is comprehensible to someone like you:

LOOK IN A MIRROR. Look at and bear witness to your own rock-solid conviction.

That's them. They are identical. That's how they feel. If you mistake this, you have *no idea* who you're dealing with, but this is nothing resembling what you say; it's an unshakable *moral conviction*.

They'll happily fight for decades, watch them for yourself. Put these words up on your wall. They will offer *zero* apologies and they will fight because they are fighting for their FAMILIES and their CHILDREN. What would you do for your spouse and child?

They're *happy* to fight; you're not *stopping anything* by fighting them. You fuel them. Notice how the ACLU now sues if the state *doesn't immediately recognize marriages decreed at the lower court level*. You fuel them. Theirs is a *moral* outrage you obviously do not comprehend, but it's going

nowhere.

Picture their small, innocent children -- THEIR KIDS -- and maybe you'll begin to grasp this.
Fundies R Mentally Eel

Philadelphia, PA

#8 Mar 27, 2014
Frontline Fighter wrote:
<quoted text>
This is not about hate and judging....just as the controversy over abortion has not died down, picking up new steam and new anti-abortion converts over time.
It is about sexual issues only, otherwise all these policies and the fundie fulminatin' would be equally directed at those who unrepentantly covet, a _Commandment_. They are not. And there's plenty of other examples.

You speak of "Christians" this and that, but in fact you are only speaking about a lunatic fringe of fundies. Most Christians now the world over are not hostile to lgbt rights in part or in whole.

Abortion presents some issues of whether actual harm is being done. Some progressives have real problems with it on religious grounds or on the grounds that it's unnecessary surgery and would be better dealt with by better sex ed and easier access to birth control. Marriage equality presents no similar possibilities of actual harm in most people's minds. That's why the huge turnaround on the polling on the issue in the past decade or so, something the pro choice forces have never been able to achieve.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#9 Mar 27, 2014
Frontline Fighter wrote:
No matter what hate gays spew about Christians
Do you suppose it's anything like hoping they'll be set on fire forever and ever and ever?
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#10 Mar 27, 2014
Frontline Fighter wrote:
<quoted text>
This is not about hate and judging. Christians know that any time you open the door to gays in position of influence, liberal beliefs flood in. Christians are charged with being discerning. That is radically different from "judging." If one cannot be discerning regarding standards then one cannot have any standards at all.
Also, before any of you wax poetic about Christians not caring about the children served by World Vision, you should know that churches are bombarded with a wealth of Christian charities begging for the support of churches to do their good work in the world. Not only that, but most denominations have their own missionaries to support. Church leaders are continually examining the criteria to decide who gets their support. World Vision just recognized, and rightly so, that they had pushed themselves far down in the competition when they announced their decision to hire "married gays."
No matter what hate gays spew about Christians and spread their own misunderstandings about the faith, they should rest assured that not only will they not destroy Christianity but also the controversy over "gay marriage" will continue for decades, just as the controversy over abortion has not died down, picking up new steam and new anti-abortion converts over time.
Confine your 'christianity' to religious tax-exempt property and it is protected from destruction
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Abuse it and you lose it
Chance

Grove City, PA

#11 Mar 27, 2014
Fundies R Mentally Eel wrote:
<quoted text>
It is about sexual issues only, otherwise all these policies and the fundie fulminatin' would be equally directed at those who unrepentantly covet, a _Commandment_. They are not. And there's plenty of other examples.
You speak of "Christians" this and that, but in fact you are only speaking about a lunatic fringe of fundies. Most Christians now the world over are not hostile to lgbt rights in part or in whole.
Abortion presents some issues of whether actual harm is being done. Some progressives have real problems with it on religious grounds or on the grounds that it's unnecessary surgery and would be better dealt with by better sex ed and easier access to birth control. Marriage equality presents no similar possibilities of actual harm in most people's minds. That's why the huge turnaround on the polling on the issue in the past decade or so, something the pro choice forces have never been able to achieve.
Abortion does no harm? How about loss of life?
Fundies R Mentally Eel

Philadelphia, PA

#12 Mar 27, 2014
Chance wrote:
<quoted text>
Abortion does no harm? How about loss of life?
Hey cretin, I said that abortion is different from marriage equality in that there might be some way to show harm.

I know it's all too complex for you.

But, since you misunderstood everything, as usual, if you think a fetus is a person then you should all make sure fetuses get counted in the census, get social security numbers, count as dependents on tax forms.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#13 Mar 27, 2014
Fundies R Mentally Eel wrote:
But, since you misunderstood everything, as usual, if you think a fetus is a person then you should all make sure fetuses get counted in the census, get social security numbers, count as dependents on tax forms.
You're even more uneducated than I thought. I couldn't have set the bar much lower.

Look at this:
http://www.kbcpublicaffairs.org/wp-content/up...

If that's not a person then what is it?
Fundies R Mentally Eel

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Mar 27, 2014
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
If that's not a person then what is it?
I'm not going to go surf over to your deranged url. If it's a photo of a fetus then it's a fetus.

If you think a fetus is a person and that the mother is totally erased from the equation by your rhetoric, thinking and photo, then make sure those little fetus-people get counted in the census and are allowable on tax forms as dependent children.

And filth, as I reminded the other halfwit, I differentiated between marriage equality and the abortion issue on grounds of harm. as a way of explaining why there has not been similar progress on choice as there has on marriage equality.

I know that paragraph is too complex for you to follow. You have the intellect of a fetus, after all.
Amazing Grace

Alpharetta, GA

#15 Mar 27, 2014
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
You're even more uneducated than I thought. I couldn't have set the bar much lower.
Look at this:
http://www.kbcpublicaffairs.org/wp-content/up...
If that's not a person then what is it?
After it hatches; sell it to a gay married couple
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Problem solved
Dan

United States

#16 Mar 27, 2014
TomInElPaso wrote:
Set up the tables, the Money Changers are coming.
Today's Christianity in action.
Can't run a charity without money.

That's a fact of life for everyone.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#17 Mar 27, 2014
Dan wrote:
Can't run a charity without money.
That's a fact of life for everyone.
And you can't feed starving children if gay people are getting married. True story.
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#18 Mar 27, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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And you can't feed starving children if gay people are getting married. True story.
I'm a little surprised. After the reversal by this "charity" or whatever it is, several pro-gay sources are attacking the living daylights out of it. I mean, really attacking with a deep, vicious disgust. I was not entirely aware the pro-gay would be so enraged by this, but apparently so.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#19 Mar 27, 2014
hi hi wrote:
I'm a little surprised. After the reversal by this "charity" or whatever it is, several pro-gay sources are attacking the living daylights out of it. I mean, really attacking with a deep, vicious disgust. I was not entirely aware the pro-gay would be so enraged by this, but apparently so.
I can see why. Putting dogma before humanitarianism is pretty atrocious. They would've been better off just sticking with their policies the way they were. The way things panned out, they had to cave in front of everyone.

According to their Wiki page, part of their mission involves emergency relief and health care, and that "World Vision serves everyone irrespective of religion". So, they have no problem providing assistance to godless heathens, non-believers, infidels, etc. But work side by side with the GAYS? Now THAT'S just asking too much, I guess.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#20 Mar 27, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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And you can't feed starving children if gay people are getting married. True story.
You can be a smart guy, but its about the money.

I mean, what do you want them to do? Fight among themselves about this and ignore the charitable work? You're going to step in with the cash?

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