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As I See It

Lincoln, NE

#1 Jun 26, 2008
Is it true that the City Counsel wants to put in city services for Rich Schneiders lot east of town so a developer can build a building for Orscheln? I was told that Rich Schenider is on the Developement Commettee and the Board of Wks. so he could vote for it. Is it right to helping him sell his land so he can develope the rest of it after the main sevices are put in free? Why should the city (we) pay for putting in our the utilities? Can anyone shed some light on this for me?
yadda yadda

Matthews, NC

#2 Jun 26, 2008
All I can say is we NEED Orschlen here.
Need versus want

Lincoln, NE

#3 Jun 26, 2008
We need either Orscheln or a farm implement store with the same type of merchandise in town, and the city needs to take whatever steps are necessary to guarantee we have such a store for our convenience. I also believe that before "facts" are quoted, the fact validity needs to be examined.
JustWondering

United States

#4 Jun 26, 2008
Why is the old EarlMay building sitting empty,south of SunMart ? That would make a good place for a farm supply business. Or is the building in such bad shape and can't be utilized ?
Auburnite

Lincoln, NE

#5 Jun 26, 2008
As I have heard it, Rich sold Orschelns the land but then Rich wants the city of Auburn to pave a road just West of where the turn in would be for orschelns. There is not going to be a direct turn off for orschelns from the highway. So the city of Auburn has to pave that road for Rich but it's going to be from the highway to a culdasac. You know that Rich is going to build houses south of the new orschelns and is going to make a tun of money for that so why should we (the citizens of auburn)have to pay for the paving to orschelns. The public street costs is $185,455.01.
House Mouse

Matthews, NC

#6 Jun 26, 2008
JustWondering wrote:
Why is the old EarlMay building sitting empty,south of SunMart ? That would make a good place for a farm supply business. Or is the building in such bad shape and can't be utilized ?

That building is WAY too expensive! That is why nothing has been done with that building.

Since: Nov 07

Auburn, Nebraska

#7 Jun 26, 2008
House Mouse wrote:
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That building is WAY too expensive! That is why nothing has been done with that building.
Leave it to Earl May to charge way too much for absolutely everything.

Since: Feb 08

Jtown

#8 Jun 26, 2008
I don't think the old Earl May building is big enough for Orschlens but It would make a great location. It looks bigger than it is. Can Auburn really afford to lose Orschlens? I think sometimes a city has to suck it up and give a business some of what they want to keep what we need here (business).
Auburn citizen

York, NE

#9 Jun 26, 2008
Auburnite wrote:
As I have heard it, Rich sold Orschelns the land but then Rich wants the city of Auburn to pave a road just West of where the turn in would be for orschelns. There is not going to be a direct turn off for orschelns from the highway. So the city of Auburn has to pave that road for Rich but it's going to be from the highway to a culdasac. You know that Rich is going to build houses south of the new orschelns and is going to make a tun of money for that so why should we (the citizens of auburn)have to pay for the paving to orschelns. The public street costs is $185,455.01.
I do not believe your information is correct.
the ant

Lincoln, NE

#10 Jun 27, 2008
Auburnite wrote:
As I have heard it, Rich sold Orschelns the land but then Rich wants the city of Auburn to pave a road just West of where the turn in would be for orschelns. There is not going to be a direct turn off for orschelns from the highway. So the city of Auburn has to pave that road for Rich but it's going to be from the highway to a culdasac. You know that Rich is going to build houses south of the new orschelns and is going to make a tun of money for that so why should we (the citizens of auburn)have to pay for the paving to orschelns. The public street costs is $185,455.01.
Tecumseh paid $300,000 for their Orscheln store. My understanding we are looking at paying $200,000 for ours. Now let me see, we are a town at least twice as big as Tecumseh, but are getting off $100,000 cheaper? If ANYONE in Auburn can make some money add some houses to the tax rolls WTF is the problem? This anti development, inbred mentality (OMG somebody is going to make money) has to stop. WTF? Do you think development happens where the pissing and moaning is the loudest? Quit acting like children!

Rich must abstain from any vote by law. So your slanderous actuations of conflict of interest are addressed by state law and are an unscrupulous, distasteful attempt to damage Rich.

Didn’t we just go through this?

Since: Feb 08

Jtown

#11 Jun 27, 2008
the ant wrote:
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Tecumseh paid $300,000 for their Orscheln store. My understanding we are looking at paying $200,000 for ours. Now let me see, we are a town at least twice as big as Tecumseh, but are getting off $100,000 cheaper? If ANYONE in Auburn can make some money add some houses to the tax rolls WTF is the problem? This anti development, inbred mentality (OMG somebody is going to make money) has to stop. WTF? Do you think development happens where the pissing and moaning is the loudest? Quit acting like children!
Rich must abstain from any vote by law. So your slanderous actuations of conflict of interest are addressed by state law and are an unscrupulous, distasteful attempt to damage Rich.
Didn’t we just go through this?
I agree 100%. Auburn seems to have a lot of citizens that complain but no one wants to do anything about it. Also, many don't understand what slander is or they don't really give a s**t unless they are the victim of the slander. It's time for people to work together to get it done - not work against eachother out of jealousy.
As I See It

Lincoln, NE

#12 Jun 27, 2008
I don't think anyone objects to development. I think it is in the way it is handled. I also take issue with the city counsel comming down on Critser because he had info the counsel did not have. I guess he might be my man if he puts forth that kind of effort. We are supposed to be a community and work together
An Observer

York, NE

#13 Jun 27, 2008
Have any of you ever planned remodeling your house? What would you do first? Would it not be making a drawing with all the aspects you would like to see and then, running an estimate of how much it would cost? Would you not then, go out and price all your dreams and adjust your figures (and drawings) to match what must be done? I have the feeling that is what is happening in this case. Things have to start someplace.

The day of the meeting, at least two people went around to all the businesses downtown with the two page document telling all that would listen about the drawing/estimates and implying this was a conflict of interest. The validity or source of the document was never discussed. I can only guess at their purpose.

Crister did show up at the council meeting demanding an explanation, but did not show the document to the council, just referred to it and kept ignoring city council as they were stating to have no idea what was being discussed by Crister. He marched out of the chamber loudly stating his thoughts when he was told it was improper to bring out said subject when the motion was just a non-binding memorandum of understanding between the city and interested parties. "There is a time and a place for everything."

I do not know how I stand in this subject, but I will be darned if I am going to allow false or skewed statements made. Yes, the behavior was improper, but this time you cannot accuse all the city council of such.
one of them

Rural Hall, NC

#14 Jun 28, 2008
As I See It wrote:
I don't think anyone objects to development. I think it is in the way it is handled. I also take issue with the city counsel comming down on Critser because he had info the counsel did not have. I guess he might be my man if he puts forth that kind of effort. We are supposed to be a community and work together
As I see it, you started this thread with innuendos of impropriety. If you want to commend someone maybe start with those on ADC, City Council or City Rec. that actually TRY to get things done, instead of those that sit on the sidelines sniping.

Your comment ‘We are supposed to be a community and work together’ absolutely defines hypocrisy.
The Who

Manchester, KY

#15 Jun 29, 2008
Its amazing, The mayor and council wants the gap paving, there are people that lived where they have for years, they do not want the paving, but the people with money do. Then the city wants to pave that area for Schneider? Thats wrong!
Freemason9

York, NE

#16 Jun 29, 2008
I do hope it isn't those diehard capitalists promoting this, because providing so much taxpayer assistance to a private business is exactly the same as welfare ... except more expensive, of course.

Why is it alright to supply corporate shareholders with taxpayer money (i.e., welfare), but it is wrong to provide it to a family that is down on their luck?

When you really think about it, the wealthiest in this community and others also happen to be the biggest welfare recipients. They don't call it that, though; they call it subsidization, tax increment financing, economic development incentives, and tax credits.

It's all welfare, but just bigger numbers.

Having ranted, I'm all for Auburn providing infrastructure to a promising business. If they do that, though, they really can't access adjoining property owners in residential areas for the cost of gap paving ... can they?

Why doesn't the city offer to pave residential streets for Auburn residents? I'd think that if Auburn was so willing to open the checkbook for a bunch of shareholders, they'd take better care of their own residents.

BTW, a $300,000 expenditure in this venture translates to $100 for every person in Auburn. A family of four would be in it for $400.

All to help Orscheln, Inc. provide shareholders with bigger dividends.

I hope that the community has contacted other competing retailers with the same deal.
Need versus want

Lincoln, NE

#17 Jun 30, 2008
All this jabbering would be fine and dandy if there was an offering on the table, you guys are being a tad premature on your b..session.
one of them

Lincoln, NE

#18 Jun 30, 2008
The Who wrote:
Its amazing, The mayor and council wants the gap paving, there are people that lived where they have for years, they do not want the paving, but the people with money do. Then the city wants to pave that area for Schneider? Thats wrong!
Me thinks the who is living in Whoville.

You have a goal of paving city streets and you only have so much money. There is a group offering to pay for a percentage so that more streets can get paved, as a city what do you do? Pay 100% for minimal street paving or a percentage so the maximum amount of paving can get done? It’s not that tough of a concept to grasp.
Freemason9 wrote:
Why is it alright to supply corporate shareholders with taxpayer money (i.e., welfare), but it is wrong to provide it to a family that is down on their luck?

I hope that the community has contacted other competing retailers with the same deal.
For Mr. Socialist

What’s the return for paying for a family down on their luck? What’s the chance they’ll be coming for another handout later, verses helping keep a store open that in turn could provide a job for steady income to said family?

Orchlens accounts for a certain percentage of city sales tax revenue. How much are you willing to lose? Expecting others to get the same treatment depends on what sales tax revenue other businesses generate. For those bitching for retail, this is your city fighting for it.
Freemason9

York, NE

#19 Jun 30, 2008
one of them wrote:
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Me thinks the who is living in Whoville.
You have a goal of paving city streets and you only have so much money. There is a group offering to pay for a percentage so that more streets can get paved, as a city what do you do? Pay 100% for minimal street paving or a percentage so the maximum amount of paving can get done? It’s not that tough of a concept to grasp.
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For Mr. Socialist
What’s the return for paying for a family down on their luck? What’s the chance they’ll be coming for another handout later, verses helping keep a store open that in turn could provide a job for steady income to said family?
Orchlens accounts for a certain percentage of city sales tax revenue. How much are you willing to lose? Expecting others to get the same treatment depends on what sales tax revenue other businesses generate. For those bitching for retail, this is your city fighting for it.
Get off your ignorance pedestal, Mr. OOT. Handing out taxpayer money is probably your much-feared "socialism" in any book. Capitalism--any "ism" for that matter--is a red herring, and this is a prime example of why it does not work. Those with the capital make the laws, and they have found that the best way to wealth is through legislation. That's real capitalism in action.
Find another tired line of rhetoric, and we'll explore that for a while.
one of them

Rural Hall, NC

#20 Jun 30, 2008
Freemason9 wrote:
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Get off your ignorance pedestal, Mr. OOT. Handing out taxpayer money is probably your much-feared "socialism" in any book. Capitalism--any "ism" for that matter--is a red herring, and this is a prime example of why it does not work. Those with the capital make the laws, and they have found that the best way to wealth is through legislation. That's real capitalism in action.
Find another tired line of rhetoric, and we'll explore that for a while.
Regardless this is the system we live with. Work with it or bitch about it. In the mean time other communities prosper while Auburnites are left scratching their heads. If you can change it by all means, be my guest.

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