Sheriff

[The Hedgehog]

Maude wrote:

First off, let me say I am no friend of doug, dan or freddie, I am active in my community and I follows closely what is happening in my community. I don't just take peoples words on things. I research it and base it on the proven facts that I can find.
I see it slightly different than some of you do. Over the past few years, I have seen doug bust his butt to get the things that are coming to fruitation now. This winter he took a trip and looked at ambulances down south to find one that fit Tri's needs and budget. He worked hard to get the best deal for the money. That ambulance arrived and was not yet set up when this whole mess began. Does doug get credit for this? No dan is given the credit for this, at least in most peoples eyes because once dan came back, look at the new ambulance he got. It wasn't even him. That is just one example, there are more.
Yes, fred and doug built this service to be what it is now. They poured the foundation. Then fred left. Who really knows why? Only him.
It makes no sense to me why the board would hire dan back when he has a delayed prosecution for sexual assualt that hasn't even expired yet when this occured at thier own facility. They let doug go for some reasons that were similar, and replaced him with someone who was documented as doing worse things. Did doug deserve to be let go? Maybe. Did dan deserve to get the position back? Not really.
It is just like letting wingate continue on as a commissioner until this is all settled out about the embezzlement. It makes no sense and is down right stupid.
If you are going to clean house, keep it clean. Don't bring more trash back in.
As far as deputies supporting doug, I haven't heard a single one I know say they don't. To the contrary actually, they fear edwards getting it.
I find it funny in one thread it is implied that our local paper is smearing doug and other candidates, but in the next breath being accused of dumping on fred and not telling the truth about doug.
Oh and Hedgehog, did you read the thread that pointed out the descrepancy in your timeline of events? You know, the link to the docket?

The main reason Doug went to Fl twice on Tri's money was to see his girlfriend Carrie. You couldn't see a fact if it bit you on the butt. If you used any of your grey matter you'd see most of the posts here are by people who have "DIRECT" knowledge of Dan, Doug, Fred and Stephanie. Heres a fact for you Maude. Dougs gone and Tri is running much better. Heres another fact if you know of any contracts Tri has for transports from skilled facilities as them about the service they got when Dan wasn't there and Doug was running things. As about how its now. Those are the facts you seek Maude. Instead of blindly supporting a person who was terminated for cause try and comprehend the obvious. Doug was wrong and paid the price. Now one more time, Dan never went to court...I have seen a copy of his criminal record check and its clean....NO CSC record at all...In others words>>>CASE CLOSED

[Maude]

The case is NOT closed until the six months is up. It is a delayed prosecution. It is on file at the prosecutors office. That my friend is a fact.

Do some research instead of running your own smear campaign backed by no factual, documented information.

As for the rest of the stuff you are spewing, I am not going to try to even debate it with you any more. You choose not to work with facts, so I can't justify wasting my time on you. Your agenda is plain to see...

[american profiler]

Maude I'm not trying to be cruel but the fact is that in the United States a man is innocent until proven guilty and Dan was never found guilty nor did he even have any court trial.

And the real question to be asked Maude is are you being manipulated(being used as a pawn)so someone elses hands don't get dirty?The truth can be manipulated but the evidence cannot lie.

[The Hedgehog]

Maude wrote:

The case is NOT closed until the six months is up. It is a delayed prosecution. It is on file at the prosecutors office. That my friend is a fact.
Do some research instead of running your own smear campaign backed by no factual, documented information.
As for the rest of the stuff you are spewing, I am not going to try to even debate it with you any more. You choose not to work with facts, so I can't justify wasting my time on you. Your agenda is plain to see...

OK, Lets play it your way, Dan is guilty of touching his exgirlfriend at work even thoough she's done much worse in front of the crew members. But Doug was not dismissed for taking money (pay check) for time he did not work. Doug is also not guilty of adultry with co-worker while at work. Doug is not guilty of attmpting to coerce several females into sexual favors at work. Doug is not guilty of a double standard of doing what other crew members we expressly forbbiden to do. Doug is not guilty of lying about conduct of subordinates to save his ass. Doug is not guilty of taking his girlfriend on transfers violating patient confidentially. Doug is not guilty of having a intimate relationship with members of the Otsego medical control. Doug is not guilty of fabricating false charges against members of the service which caused problems for the EMS service.
Doug did not file a federal law suit against Tri EMS before the board actually handed down a decision. Doug is not guilty of being a bad supervisor who hung his personnel out to dry when he should have defended them. Doug is not guilty of taking all the glory for the work of others.
POOR DOUG, what a bad person Dan is and all the personnel at Tri Township all are so bad too!!

[The Hedgehog]

OH Maude maybe you should ask Dan's ex if she had any intimate conduct with Doug prior to all this happening. Oh wait, never mind, she wouldn't know she was too drunk to really know.

and Maude if someone has an intimate relationship with someone who does not have the ability to make a RATIONAL judgement,(under influence of liquor, drugs,mentally incapacitated) in Michigan this is rape

[Call me Ron]

Maude you sound more like Doug than a concerned well informed citizen who seeks the truth. I myself cannot comment on this,,,but when I can I will.

Oh and it definetely dose not "Smell Clean" either

[american profiler]

The Hedgehog and Maude that is the biggest part of the puzzle yet.The cops tried to screw Dan til the prosecutor dismissised filing charges on Dan and yet they don't even question the gossip in Atlanta about Sherriff Baum and Dans ex girlfriend.By the way I heard that the time period was when she was still going with Dan.

And last but not least ladies and gentlemen dig deep into your hearts/soul and profile these questions for yourselves before you vote in August.

1.Isn't the gossip the Hedgehog suggested 10 times worst than what the prosecutor dismissed on Dan?And while I agree that a man/woman is innocent until proven guilty I'm very concerned to see cops go after Dan for nothing while the gossip of Mr. Baum(the cop)seems so criminal.Does law enforcement friends of Mr. Baum deserve to be cops?No ones suppose to be above the law and yet comments like the one from Hedgehog would suggest that Mr. Baum is above the law.Is there a code of silence among law enforcement that keeps some cops out of trouble.

These questions I ask myself are truely why I believe this should of been a law enforcement(state/federal)case because the rumors/gossip seem so criminal.This matter isn't about Mr. Baums personal life or Dan its about justice and what Mr.Baums badge is suppose to stand for.Friendships have been lost but sometimes there something more important called the truth.If a man doesn't have convictions then he doesn't have anything.

[Call me Ron]

Maude wrote:

The case is NOT closed until the six months is up. It is a delayed prosecution. It is on file at the prosecutors office. That my friend is a fact.
Do some research instead of running your own smear campaign backed by no factual, documented information.
As for the rest of the stuff you are spewing, I am not going to try to even debate it with you any more. You choose not to work with facts, so I can't justify wasting my time on you. Your agenda is plain to see...

If it is truly a "delayed prosecution" that would mean Ms Case held the investigation in her office and it never went to court or no charges were ever filed Maude which means no criminal record, no conviction

[Profilinsonofagu m]

I think maude smells like poop.

[Trying to help]

C Griffin wrote:

I'm voting for Don Edwards.

I would hope you would since he is related to you through your girlfriend.

[C Griffin]

Trying to help wrote:

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I would hope you would since he is related to you through your girlfriend.

Well since she is only a girlfriend and not my wife, I am not related to Don.

I do know he can do a good job, and he definantly has the experience.

[american profiler]

The sherriff forum comments shouldn't be about idealogy,friendships,political power but to seek the truth.Dig deep into your heart and soul and read this comment from the Hedgehog to Maude and then make your opinions and convictions known.

the Hedgehog quote to Maude"Oh Maude maybe you should ask Dan's ex if she had any intimate conduct with Doug prior to all this happening.Oh wait,never mind,she wouldn't know she was too drunk to really know.

and Maude if someone has an intimate relationship with someone who does not have the ability to make a Rational judgement,(under influence of liquor,drugs,mentally incapacitated) in Michigan this is rape."

Shouldn't that comment be the core question you ask yourself before you vote for sherriff?And isn't that million dollar question something the police should of confront Mr.Baum on rather than try to go after Dan til the prosecutor dismissed charges on Dan?

[John]

I am not putting Patty down, she is very smart and very good at her job.; Have you been to a board meeting, she is the one who shows up and handles the sheriffs business. When Don gets elected, I feel bad for Patty if Don gets rid of her, she is a very good under sheriff and I hate to see her go.
I am voting for Don also, and Don keep Patty.

[Maude]

Drunk or not, did she file charges against the sheriff for rape?

And don't give me the "he is the sheriff, he is intimidating" line I have heard over and over again. He isn't above the law.

I have heard all those complaints that were listed, but are there any charges or formal legal complaints filed for any of them?

And just how can anyone try to stick up for someone who was sexually harrassing another in the workplace by grabbing their breasts? Your argument is you have seen her do much worse. If so, why didn't Dan file against her for that too? It is no excuse. That behavior by anyone does not belong in any workplace or any many other places for that manner.

And there is another public office in town that stands there and bad mouths and talks about this crap to anyone who walks into the door. That too is not even close to being right. It really does make those people appear to have an agenda, that or they are huge gossip mongers. I take what they say with a grain of salt, simply because I have seen them in action.

I do understand that if Dan keeps his nose clean his delayed proecution simply disappears. But whether he went to court or not, there was enough evidence there that they just didn't dismiss the whole thing. He got in trouble... plain and simple. Granted not the worst level it could have been, but it is still trouble.

None of you seem to understand that I have no personal interest vested in this. I hardly know either of them, but I also do know a few things for a fact. Based on those facts, I am having a really hard time standing by and letting people make Dan out to be a saint and smearing the crap out of Doug. It wouldn't matter to me if it were Bonnie and Clyde. The WHO isn't the point, the what and the documented facts are.

Facts are facts, and without charges and documentation the rest is just talk.

[Trying to help]

Maude wrote:

...I do understand that if Dan keeps his nose clean his delayed proecution simply disappears. But whether he went to court or not, there was enough evidence there that they just didn't dismiss the whole thing. He got in trouble... plain and simple. Granted not the worst level it could have been, but it is still trouble.
None of you seem to understand that I have no personal interest vested in this. I hardly know either of them, but I also do know a few things for a fact. Based on those facts, I am having a really hard time standing by and letting people make Dan out to be a saint and smearing the crap out of Doug. It wouldn't matter to me if it were Bonnie and Clyde. The WHO isn't the point, the what and the documented facts are.
Facts are facts, and without charges and documentation the rest is just talk.

I am in 100% agreement with this part of your comment. People think that a deferred prosecution means that no charges were filed, or the charges were dismissed. That is not the case. The deferred prosecution is a way to clear your record under certain criminal charges if you keep "your nose clean" for a specified period of time. If the charges had been dismissed there would be no DEFERRED PROSECUTION.

[namma]

american profiler wrote:

The sherriff forum comments shouldn't be about idealogy,friendships,political power but to seek the truth.Dig deep into your heart and soul and read this comment from the Hedgehog to Maude and then make your opinions and convictions known.
the Hedgehog quote to Maude"Oh Maude maybe you should ask Dan's ex if she had any intimate conduct with Doug prior to all this happening.Oh wait,never mind,she wouldn't know she was too drunk to really know.
and Maude if someone has an intimate relationship with someone who does not have the ability to make a Rational judgement,(under influence of liquor,drugs,mentally incapacitated) in Michigan this is rape."
Shouldn't that comment be the core question you ask yourself before you vote for sherriff?And isn't that million dollar question something the police should of confront Mr.Baum on rather than try to go after Dan til the prosecutor dismissed charges on Dan?

Allegations of rape without substantiation are pretty serious. If the girl was "raped" she should report it. If she feels that the County Sherriffs office would be a conflict of interest then she could have taken it to the State Police, and as posted in previous blogs she has friends on the State Police level. Since she did neither I find it hard to believe that she felt she had been raped. And for you to post such an accusation shows that you are driven to slander and liable for your own self interests.

[namma]

Oh and I guess the core question we all should ask as we vote is how much weight to do you put with people who are willing to put unsubstantiated facts on an internet forum just to destroy a person, their career and lets not forget the damage it is probably doing to his son.

[omg]

I really cant believe the crap I read here,I dont even understand why I read it bored I guess,but to c.griffen you are the cream of the crop...Where the hell is your brains? if I wasnt sure who to vote for I do now.Doug has my vote if your going to vote for Don.You really believe you know a lot dont you? If your against anything keep posting it so I know the right way and that would be not your way.
As many wrongs as Ive done in my life I wont judge either Doug or Dan I will say I cant stand Dan hes a snake that will strike wait and see if all this crap was happening with Doug than Dan knew about it but it must have been ok then just file it and strike when it will help him dont piss the little man off because if he doesnt get you Daddy will.Dan is not free of charges against him as long as he keeps his nose clean for the six mounths how would that work for you or I plain every day joe's. we would have been hung out to dry.....Except for Dan andc.griffen two of a kind........

[Atlanta Res]

So let me get this straight omg:
you came on here to bash c griffin about how he knows everything then you start spouting off on dan? well you just dropped to the same level as everyone else who is bashing people on here.

[american profiler]

I guess the clueless,yes that would be you Namma,Muade,and Trying to help.The reason is simple I'm not accusing Mr. Baum doing Dans ex even though the Hedgehog suggested it was rape but I am questioning why the Michigan State Police allowed Dans ex to use them as puppets while all this gossip of Baum/Dans ex sexual incounter(possibly even rape)and if her breaking into Dans home wasn't enough to tell the cops her stories got wholes in it then they better go back to the academy or college to get educated.If it looks like crap,smells like crap then it probally is crap.