Clubs to go smoke-free

Clubs to go smoke-free

There are 189 comments on the Berkshire Eagle story from Nov 20, 2008, titled Clubs to go smoke-free. In it, Berkshire Eagle reports that:

The Board of Health has ruled that all private clubs in the city need to be smoke-free by June 1, 2009, a move that many club members - smokers and nonsmokers alike - feel infringes on their rights.

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emerald

Waldorf, MD

#209 Dec 8, 2008
confederate1978 wrote:
Air quality test results by Johns Hopkins University, the American Cancer Society, a Minnesota Environmental Health Department, and various researchers whose testing and report was peer reviewed and published in the esteemed British Medical Journal......prove that secondhand smoke is 2.6 - 25,000 times SAFER than occupational (OSHA) workplace regulations:
http://cleanairquality.blogspot.com
All nullify the argument that secondhand smoke is a workplace health hazard.
Especially since federal OSHA regulations trump, or pre-empt, state smoking ban laws which are not based on scientific air quality test results.
Mark Wernimont
Watertown, MN.
US Supreme court decision 1992 NEVER OVERTURNED...
A U.S. Supreme court decision during the early 1970's ((Lloyd Corp v. Tanner, 407 U.S. 551 (1992)) said a place of business does not become public property because the public is invited in.
So, by that same reasoning. A restaurant or bar is not public property. We need to support small business and stop regulating them out of business.
Listen and listen good, these bans were never about health. That story about health has been used for well over 100 years. The last time prohibition came down was 1919. The last forty years prior 1919 saw the same lambasted health studies back then on alchohol and tobacco. There is nothing new here going on except the date is changed and the nannies promoting it. The cause is still in effect of the prohibitionists arm. People will always have a certain amount of the ”I WANT TO CONTROL YOU” attitude.
We here in america have become seduced by the constant barrage of daily doses of health study propaganda just like it was dished out in the 40 years running up to 1919…..Our great granparents were seduced by the propaganda artists back then either thru church meetings on sunday morning or thru the newspaper in the evening. Its just today we get it 24-7 from cable networks and newspapers and internet…..It takes the strongest of will of mind and body to OVERCOME such seducing propaganda……They have created a mindset in the public perception that tobacco is evil and peopel using it are the scum of the earth…….
the liberal progressives are the ones who are behind the bans and the psudo-science that pushes it…..the craddle to grave crowd.They are also responsible for the global warming hoax being shoved down every memeber of societies throats……..If you dont pull the string to their nanny mentality your bad motuthed and astrocized as a nay sayer a non-believer……..well I am here to tell you keeping your mind in a world full of propaganda day in and day out has its effects on the population…….
we can call it politically correct hatred towards smokers, people of obesity or just being poor….Trust me when I tell you this crowd of antis is the worse lot of folks to come along in a hundred years.there worse that the VICTORIANS…….the hatred these people hold for a smoker is DEATH……….they dont care about law or rights or freedom when it comes to their AGENDA……..nobody is safe from their hatred………Anyway the outdoor bans and everything else from global warming to second hand smoke are all made-up moral dilemmas to scare people into voting for these fools…….
Remember in the public perception it takes only 6 weeks of drilled propaganda to make a lie the truth and these folks have had 40 years to do it. The last time this group used 40 years to brainwash society we got a constitutional amendment that started prohibition and it wasnt just alchohol, it was tobacco being prohibitied too……..14 states outlawed or prohibitied tobacco use during the volstead act…..prohibition.
If I could do it, for this post I would give you the ol' Rebel Yell!!!

“Just Say No to Smoking Bans”

Since: Jul 07

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#211 Dec 8, 2008
Your Habit not Mine wrote:
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How quickly they respond and so negatively is also a sign that they are tobacco company lobbyists. Who else would be spreading such vile misleading old information?
God, that is STUPID. Michael Siegel wrote about that ignorant thinking here
Challenging Dogma (Post #2): Anyone Who Disagrees With the Anti-Smoking Movement is Affiliated with the Tobacco Industry
In the 20 years that I was a member of the tobacco control movement, I was led to believe that there were only two sides to any anti-smoking issue: our side and the tobacco industry side. Therefore, anyone who disagreed with our position had to be, in some way, affiliated with the tobacco industry. I was also taught to respond to their arguments not on any scientific grounds or on the merit of their arguments, but by simply discrediting the person by attacking their affiliation with the tobacco companies.http://tobaccoanalys is.blogspot.com/2005/07/challe nging-dogma-post-2-anyone-who. html
And there YOU are proving the point.

“KISS THIS SMOKERS BUTT”

Since: Jun 08

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#212 Dec 8, 2008
Your Habit not Mine wrote:
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KNOWN health hazard
ADDYSTON, Ohio — The growl of air-monitoring equipment has replaced the chatter of children at Meredith Hitchens Elementary School in this Cincinnati suburb along the Ohio River.

School district officials pulled all students from Hitchens three years ago, after air samples outside the building showed high levels of chemicals coming from the plastics plant across the street. The levels were so dangerous that the Ohio EPA concluded the risk of getting cancer there was 50 times higher than what the state considers acceptable.

The air outside 435 other schools — from Maine to California — appears to be even worse, and the threats to the health of students at those locations may be even greater.

Using the government's most up-to-date model for tracking toxic chemicals, USA TODAY spent eight months examining the impact of industrial pollution on the air outside schools across the nation. The model is a computer simulation that predicts the path of toxic chemicals released by thousands of companies.

USA TODAY used it to identify schools in toxic hot spots — a task the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency had never undertaken.

The result: a ranking of 127,800 public, private and parochial schools based on the concentrations and health hazards of chemicals likely to be in the air outside. The model's most recent version used emissions reports filed by 20,000 industrial sites in 2005, the year Hitchens closed.

Read the rest

http://www.newarkadvocate.com/article/2008120...

Since: May 08

East Otis, MA

#214 Dec 26, 2008
This is not about health,it is about the infringement of government into the lawful activities of a PRIVATE club!
Your government should have more important things to spend time and money on than invading PRIVATE space!
SEMPER FI
LogicMan

Manchester, NH

#215 Feb 23, 2010
Most of you seem to be missing the point of this issue. The issues is whether the government has the right to ban smoking in PRIVATE clubs. The issue isn't whether "most people" don't want smoking in bars and restaurants. Just because "most people" want something does not mean there needs to be or should be interference by big brother. "Most people" prefer Coca Cola over RC Cola. Should the government come in and ban RC Cola? Let's assume for a moment that second hand smoke is a legit health hazzard and this is a public health issue, which would override the public, private issue of the debate. Let's say it's all true. It's not right that non smokers would be exposed to second hand smoke. But let's ask this. Why can't a restaurant owner LEGALLY start a restaurant catering to smokers, a place for smokers to go who enjoy eating, then having a smoke while conversing with their friends? All the customers would be first hand smokers so what's the problem? Nothing right? Except this; it is illegal. Does that sound right to you? On another note, to whoever it was that said they dont like to go to a bar where it smells like smoke, I say boo-hoo. So find a bar that caters to non smokers. They do exist, before the unconstitutional ban existed. Why didn't you all go to those bars? That's right, those were the lame places and still are. Smoking in a bar is illegal in Massachusetts? EVERYTHING is illegal in Massachusetts. That's why I don't live there anymore.

“Non smoking freedom loving vet”

Since: Apr 08

Chicago

#216 Feb 23, 2010
Sheri wrote:
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God, that is STUPID. Michael Siegel wrote about that ignorant thinking here
Challenging Dogma (Post #2): Anyone Who Disagrees With the Anti-Smoking Movement is Affiliated with the Tobacco Industry
In the 20 years that I was a member of the tobacco control movement, I was led to believe that there were only two sides to any anti-smoking issue: our side and the tobacco industry side. Therefore, anyone who disagreed with our position had to be, in some way, affiliated with the tobacco industry. I was also taught to respond to their arguments not on any scientific grounds or on the merit of their arguments, but by simply discrediting the person by attacking their affiliation with the tobacco companies.http://tobaccoanalys is.blogspot.com/2005/07/challe nging-dogma-post-2-anyone-who. html
And there YOU are proving the point.
You're right. I just raelized that the hundreds of people patronizing the many bars ignoring the bans are all paid by tobacco companies to be there.

“Non smoking freedom loving vet”

Since: Apr 08

Chicago

#217 Feb 23, 2010
oops, "realized"
Frisbee

Seattle, WA

#219 Mar 15, 2010
You ve got to be kidding wrote:
I also think the seatbelt law should apply to children only...I use one but not using one would only hurt me not you....same as the helmet law...if you don't use one you are an idiot in my opinion..but I don't think you should be forced to wear one.?
The problem is that we are all forced to foot the bill for the damage stupid people do to themselves. I'd be all for denying people who don't wear helmets or seatbelts or smoke access to insurance pools that we all pitch in for. Do what you like as long as it doesn't harm anyone else and YOU have to bear the responsibility for the consequences of YOUR actions.
Amazing how the Freedom/Patriotic types do an about face and rely so heavily on Socialized Insurance when their foolish choices catch up to them.
Margaret

Owosso, MI

#221 Mar 24, 2010
I can document thousands of reasons why one should not smoke; I can't think of one good reason to promote smoking, not one.

My Dad died of emphysema: we just lost a good friend to smoking. First they discovered his lung cancer, then they found brain cancer. In 3 months from being symptom free he's dead.

I live in Michigan and I can't wait for the May 1st 2010, ban in our state. It will be so nice to take our children out to a restaurant to enjoy a meal, without ending up smelling like a dirty ashtray.

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