Barrow County Dumping Homeless on Athens?

Jun 1, 2008 | Posted by: Saint Patrick | Full story: www.ajc.com

Athens police say they have videotaped Barrow County law enforcement officers dropping off homeless people in Athens, though Barrow is not the only county doing it.

Murray Kogod, chief deputy for the Barrow County Sheriff's Department, said that if there's such a video, "it's based on the fact that somebody asked for a ride. It's not our practice to dump or drop off anyone anywhere."
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thehardway

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Jun 7, 2008
 
And.
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What is wrong with desert??
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and kogod is republican running for sheriff...lying like the rest of them.

when was the last time the police ever gave anyone a ride anywhere???? except to jail.

keep him and other liars on their toes!! WE ARE WATCHING YOU!!!!

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Instead of dumping or shifting the homeless onto someone else we need to take a deep look into the individual homeless persons life and find out why they are homeless to begin with. Homeless people do not become homeless because they want to be homeless. Now......
They stay homeless because they don't want to work. Or in a few rare cases because they have a disability that prevents them from working.
There should be more of an out reach program for the homeless. A place where they can go to stay, earn a living, or perhaps a GED diploma so that they can get a job. A one stop shop so to speak. Stay clean, get rest, a decent meal. Earn a little pocket money by working inside the out reach building as say a janitor or cook or even a counselor(with some minimal training).
I know a project like this would cost lots of money to implement, but in the long run the investment would be worth the cost. I also know there would have to be very strict guidelines for qualifying for the program, weekly drug/alcohol screenings, etc.
Right now there is a building in downtown Winder that is going to be torn down because it can't be sold, why not put it to good use. The owner gets a tax deduction by making the property a charitable donation and the city/county benefit by having someplace for their homeless to go.
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BethW wrote:
Instead of dumping or shifting the homeless onto someone else we need to take a deep look into the individual homeless persons life and find out why they are homeless to begin with. Homeless people do not become homeless because they want to be homeless. Now......
They stay homeless because they don't want to work. Or in a few rare cases because they have a disability that prevents them from working.
There should be more of an out reach program for the homeless. A place where they can go to stay, earn a living, or perhaps a GED diploma so that they can get a job. A one stop shop so to speak. Stay clean, get rest, a decent meal. Earn a little pocket money by working inside the out reach building as say a janitor or cook or even a counselor(with some minimal training).
I know a project like this would cost lots of money to implement, but in the long run the investment would be worth the cost. I also know there would have to be very strict guidelines for qualifying for the program, weekly drug/alcohol screenings, etc.
Right now there is a building in downtown Winder that is going to be torn down because it can't be sold, why not put it to good use. The owner gets a tax deduction by making the property a charitable donation and the city/county benefit by having someplace for their homeless to go.
OK beth when you take in one straight from the street and keep them clean, drug free, and not stealing for a month I will consider doing so
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Jun 23, 2008
 
Hey message to the Police in Barrow I need a lift to the airport on Friday at six AM :-)

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Tory One wrote:
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OK beth when you take in one straight from the street and keep them clean, drug free, and not stealing for a month I will consider doing so
Its not a perfect world situation. It is very doable. You just have to have money, time, and patience. All three of which are in short supply in this day and age.
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BethW wrote:
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Its not a perfect world situation. It is very doable. You just have to have money, time, and patience. All three of which are in short supply in this day and age.
But you have money, you don't need time to give up a room, and patience is a virtue,......... I thought you would have better excuses not to give up a room ..........

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But you have money, you don't need time to give up a room, and patience is a virtue,......... I thought you would have better excuses not to give up a room ..........
This would be something for the county to do, not me personally. I'm willing to give up some money in taxes to help fund a program like this, but I don't have a room in my personal residence to house a homeless person.
I'm all for helping a person turn a new leaf or get back on their feet, but one person alone is not going to solve the homeless problem in Barrow county. Be reasonable.

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Jun 24, 2008
 
I think the last thing we need is more taxes. We already give more than is needed to effectively run government.

There are already plenty of outreach programs for homeless people to take advantage of. Most homeless just want hand outs, not help in getting off the streets. Total losers. I'm not into investing in losers.

The one exception I would make would be to homeless families or any situation where children involved. No child should have to live on the streets for any reason.
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This would be something for the county to do, not me personally. I'm willing to give up some money in taxes to help fund a program like this, but I don't have a room in my personal residence to house a homeless person.
I'm all for helping a person turn a new leaf or get back on their feet, but one person alone is not going to solve the homeless problem in Barrow county. Be reasonable.
Once upon a time, there was a wise man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing. He had a habit of walking on the beach before he began his work.

One day, as he was walking along the shore, he looked down the beach and saw a human figure moving like a dancer. He smiled to himself at the thought of someone who would dance to the day, and so, he walked faster to catch up.

As he got closer, he noticed that the figure was that of a young man, and that what he was doing was not dancing at all. The young man was reaching down to the shore, picking up small objects, and throwing them into the ocean.

He came closer still and called out "Good morning! May I ask what it is that you are doing?"

The young man paused, looked up, and replied "Throwing starfish into the ocean."

"I must ask, then, why are you throwing starfish into the ocean?" asked the somewhat startled wise man.

To this, the young man replied, "The sun is up and the tide is going out. If I don't throw them in, they'll die."

Upon hearing this, the wise man commented, "But, young man, do you not realize that there are miles and miles of beach and there are starfish all along every mile? You can't possibly make a difference!"

At this, the young man bent down, picked up yet another starfish, and threw it into the ocean. As it met the water, he said, "It made a difference for that one."

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Once upon a time, there was a wise man who used to go to the ocean to do his writing. He had a habit of walking on the beach before he began his work.
One day, as he was walking along the shore, he looked down the beach and saw a human figure moving like a dancer. He smiled to himself at the thought of someone who would dance to the day, and so, he walked faster to catch up.
As he got closer, he noticed that the figure was that of a young man, and that what he was doing was not dancing at all. The young man was reaching down to the shore, picking up small objects, and throwing them into the ocean.
He came closer still and called out "Good morning! May I ask what it is that you are doing?"
The young man paused, looked up, and replied "Throwing starfish into the ocean."
"I must ask, then, why are you throwing starfish into the ocean?" asked the somewhat startled wise man.
To this, the young man replied, "The sun is up and the tide is going out. If I don't throw them in, they'll die."
Upon hearing this, the wise man commented, "But, young man, do you not realize that there are miles and miles of beach and there are starfish all along every mile? You can't possibly make a difference!"
At this, the young man bent down, picked up yet another starfish, and threw it into the ocean. As it met the water, he said, "It made a difference for that one."
Yes I understand your point. I understood it the first time you said it. I'm still telling you to be reasonable. I'm married and am about to have three kids. I live in a three bedroom, two bath house. Where do you suggest I make rooma dn board for a homeless person. In the room that my two daughters are going to share or int he room with my two year old son? Should he share my bed room with my husband and I? Maybe he can live in my garage or perhaps my crawl space that has no water, electricity, or heating and air.

As I said there needs to be a building that can house if not all a large portion of the homeless that are in Barrow county. My personal residence will not do that. There needs to be a program in place where the homeless earns the room and board. Be it with work inside the building, inside the program, or with continued education(learning a skill to get a job or earning a HS/GED/College diploma).

I also understand that to have a building like this with a program run that way takes money, more then is in my bank account. More I'm 95% sure then is in yours. It would take donations and a raise in taxes.

I'm not saying it is a perfect plan but it is something the residence of Barrow county could accomplish with a little effort.
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The central house will not work, costs too high and nimbyism will take over.

In Russia the homeless situation is fixed to a certsain extent each winter with a good many freezing to death, in El Salvador and other South American countries the problem is helped by police ubits that just shoot them and dump them.

In Atlanta however Mayor Frunklyeen will not enforce anti panhandling laws, and they get enough food anfd money to live very well on the streets.

Ther underclass grows, it is arming itself, it is being infiltrated by fanatics and is becomng a force to be reckoned with.

It will not be long before there are areas taken over by them, ramant looting and breakdown of society,......... and all because we hard workng tax paying Americans will not clean up the dross and I mean permqanetly

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Tory One wrote:
The central house will not work, costs too high and nimbyism will take over.
In Russia the homeless situation is fixed to a certsain extent each winter with a good many freezing to death, in El Salvador and other South American countries the problem is helped by police ubits that just shoot them and dump them.
In Atlanta however Mayor Frunklyeen will not enforce anti panhandling laws, and they get enough food anfd money to live very well on the streets.
Ther underclass grows, it is arming itself, it is being infiltrated by fanatics and is becomng a force to be reckoned with.
It will not be long before there are areas taken over by them, ramant looting and breakdown of society,......... and all because we hard workng tax paying Americans will not clean up the dross and I mean permqanetly
So instead of helping them become law abide productive members of society once again, lets just kill them all and let the bodies rot in the streets? Thats such a better plan then mine. It doesn't cost anything but the bullet right?
(Please note the sarcasm dripping from that comment!)
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Jul 13, 2008
 
Beth W,

Did you know that there is a homeless shelter in Winder that was built fairly recently? It is down the street from Winder Barrow Middle School. I don't know who funds it, but it is there.
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They were doing the same thing in La La Land when the homeless would come to the emergency room, they would do as little as possible then literally dump them on the side walk, one on film still with an IV attached. Every one knows that you use a taxi to dump people so it looks like they were getting a ride. They have a good many people that are homeless for a living, collecting subsistence as well as begging and do pretty good at it. I say help the families that are put out and one try for vets that are out there. Kids should never have to sleep on the street.

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Beth W,
Did you know that there is a homeless shelter in Winder that was built fairly recently? It is down the street from Winder Barrow Middle School. I don't know who funds it, but it is there.
No I didn't know that. But apparently whoever does run it isn't doing very well or we wouldn't have to dump anyone on Athens. Then again there could just be too many to help. I don't know the numbers.

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No I didn't know that. But apparently whoever does run it isn't doing very well or we wouldn't have to dump anyone on Athens. Then again there could just be too many to help. I don't know the numbers.
How can you say that? How many homeless do you see around Winder? Do you know anything about the homeless shelter?

I love how you arrive at some of your conclusions BethW. I think it therefore it must be true....

The sheriff's department (whom you relentlessly defend on these boards) said they are not dumping on Athens. Have you seen them dump homeless in Athens?

You then conclude that you don't have a clue by saying you don't know the numbers. How can you say the shelter is doing a poor job when you admit you don't know what you are talking about?

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How can you say that? How many homeless do you see around Winder? Do you know anything about the homeless shelter?
I love how you arrive at some of your conclusions BethW. I think it therefore it must be true....
The sheriff's department (whom you relentlessly defend on these boards) said they are not dumping on Athens. Have you seen them dump homeless in Athens?
You then conclude that you don't have a clue by saying you don't know the numbers. How can you say the shelter is doing a poor job when you admit you don't know what you are talking about?
First it is the Athens police department that says Winder is dumping the homeless on them. I never said anything about it being true or false.
I said there was a possible solution to the problem of homeless anywhere and that would be to take old buildings and make them shelters/work houses where the homeless can EARN a room and food, even learn a trade to find a job, get a GED maybe, but that idea was shot down because it would raise taxes. We can't have it both ways. You either want to solve the problem or not spend any money.
After offering up this solution I was told that a shelter already existed in the area. I even stood up and said I wasn't aware of this. And my last statement about that shelter refers to the original story. Athens says we are dumping, if that is true then those running the shelter are not doing it well. If they were doing it well we wouldn't have to dump the homeless anywhere now would we. But I was nice and offered the shelter a way out of looking bad(if the story is true) maybe there are too many people to help and that is why winder is dumping them on Athens. Out of sight, out of mind.
And yes I defend those who serve and protect. Why should I not, but just because they are the enforcers of the law doesn't mean they should be above it. And they should be the ones setting the example through there actions for the rest of us. If this is the example they wish to set then it is a poor one.

I hope you noted the IFs in everything that I said. There are many of them and it is what makes you confused as to which side of the "argument" I am on. See I'm not on either side. I'm looking at it from both angles or at least trying to.

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I believe there was a logical explanation for the video the Athens PD claims to show Barrow LE dumping homeless. We have heard of no further accusations from Athens on this and the issue seems to have died.

I don't believe we have a homeless "problem" here in Barrow. I see no evidence of this when I go into town. No pan-handlers. No broken people pushing their belongings around in shopping carts. Nothing to indicate we have a problem that would need to be addressed with grand plans like you propose.

Granted, not everyone in Barrow is living on Easy Street. These are difficult times for many of us. Our dollar doesn't go as far with $4 gas.

Some of this difficulty is not self-inflicted, but some of it is. How often do you see someone spend more money on cigarettes, beer, and lottery tickets than on gas or food. I don't feel sorry for people that throw money away. But hey, it's a free country and we can spend our money how we want.

BethW, your assertion that the shelter is not doing it's job because the local police are shipping the homeless out of town is based on the belief that the accusations by Athens PD are true. You seem to have this notion that Barrow County has an unseen homeless population that needs our help. Looks like we disagree on both counts.

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