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Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#23355 Aug 26, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...Try again, I said nothing about sanctioning an official religion, my point was the nature of those governments hostile to religion. However, while recognizing that a "state religion" was not the ideal, most of the founders were religious men - some Christian, some Deist, some Theist - most all knew the folly of ignoring the logical conclusion that there was a Creator.
Well let's look at what your point was before you found the need to modify it...

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Lovely examples of what happens when men think Man has all the answers.

Now let's look again at the actual document that established our secular government...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/pream...
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

And let's look at the rest of the statement, while there are natrual rights flowing from the Creator, to whom do we turn to secure those rights....

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,..."

Just another example "of what happens when men think Man has all the answers".
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#23356 Aug 26, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Ah the bizarre veiws of universalism.
Nope, just recognition of history without a cultural prejudice.
OMTE

Kittanning, PA

#23357 Aug 26, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
While most of those groups realized that their initial policies were disastrous (not least from a public relations standpoint) and so have "seen the light" when it comes to allowing some naturally occurring fire to burn. However, any fire, be it naturally caused or "controlled" must deal with the decades of undergrowth and dead trees and other debris that make ANY fire far more difficult to control and contain. And, when it comes to controlled burns, their change in position is more lip service than anything. Permits requested to allow controlled burns are often met with protests and litigation from environmental groups. And as always, as mentioned earlier, the government is involved. That means bureaucracy and slow motion.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environmen...
http://www.wctv.tv/home/headlines/56792477.ht...
The fires burning now in the west, were set by Mexican Drug Cartels. They've been infesting our national forests for years. Now they are burning them down. We are being attacked by mexico and no one cares. Obama is letting them, because he wants to destroy this country.(IMO)Impeach Obama Today!
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/22/expert-sylv...
OMTE

Kittanning, PA

#23358 Aug 26, 2013

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#23359 Aug 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>Aggie, the Cambodian Khmer Rouge were not hostile to all religions. In fact, they drew many of their ideals from the Buddhist culture.
I admittedly have no idea if the Khmer Rouge tried to "adopt" some Buddhist tenets into their ideology, but they definitely tried to wipe out Buddhism as a philosophy from the Cambodian culture. They persecuted adherents, murdered monks and destroyed temples.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#23360 Aug 26, 2013
OMTE wrote:
That was an extremely disturbing article, but why am I not in the least surprised that the former head of the Trans-Border Institute disputed the seriousness of the claims and instead suggested law enforcement was exaggerating the problem.

P.S. I am not ready to concede your position that the fires out west can be blamed on the cartels, but I am not denying it is possible.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#23361 Aug 26, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
Well let's look at what your point was before you found the need to modify it...
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Lovely examples of what happens when men think Man has all the answers.
Now let's look again at the actual document that established our secular government...
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/pream...
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
And let's look at the rest of the statement, while there are natrual rights flowing from the Creator, to whom do we turn to secure those rights....
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,..."
Just another example "of what happens when men think Man has all the answers".
And once again, you try to claim I changed position when I did nothing of the sort. Please find another false argument - you've used that one to death.

My original post:
"Just look to the most recent governments that are/were hostile to religion in general: the Soviet Union. Communist China, Cambodia's Khmer Rouge. Lovely examples of what happens when men think Man has all the answers."
=======
Please do one of two things:
1. Point out where I advocate the sanction of an official religion, as you claimed when you responded:

"Yeah, who could imagine what mere humans could do without sanctioning an official religion."

2. Apologize for mischaracterizing (lying) about my post.-- Yeah, that'll happen.
====
Keep on dreaming that the Founders' intent was to form a secular government. You really do not want to go there because I can fill up this thread with quotes from our Founders that prove the exact opposite. Their wisdom in not establishing a State religion is only trumped by their belief that a recognition of our dependence on a Creator would keep this country strong and "good."

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens..... Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
from George Washington's Farewell Address to the Nation
jeb stuart

Cordele, GA

#23362 Aug 26, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Bubba
Perhaps they didn't have dictionaries from Earth at the Right Wing Wacko Planet's Bible Class and Firearms Training Summer Camps you attended where you were taught that calling someone "cupcake",(by the way, there is no hyphen in cupcake), would make you sound all mean and tough, rather than just uneducated and insecure, so please allow me to educate you.
Liberal:
Pronunciation:\ˈli-b(ə-)rəl \
: a person who is liberal: as a : one who is open-minded or not strict in the observance of , traditional, or established forms or ways, c : an advocate or adherent of especially in individual rights
Let's see "open minded"; advocate of individual rights.
That perfectly describes the Revolutionary Founding Fathers; Gandhi; Mother Theresa; and the biggest "bleeding heart" Liberal of all, Jesus Christ; spot on.
How proud you must be to attack their beliefs of those "Libtards."
Progressive:
Function: noun
1 a : one that is progressive b : one believing in moderate political change and especially social improvement by governmental action
Let's see:
"moderately improving" through "governmental action"
That perfectly describes Clara Barton, Teddy Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Bush the First.
Now there's a bunch of crazed Socialist Commies (on Right Wing Wacko Planet).
You Right Wing Wackos are so far past Fascism to you everyone not wearing their Brown Shirts, snitching on their neighbor, and making lists of which minorities will be loaded on the next train for the "Camps", is a bleeding heart "Liberal" who poses a danger to the "Homeland". Just like that Libtard, Jesus.
Which is especially ironic as nobody has their lips more firmly attached to the government teat than a Right Wing Wacko, and they are the greatest danger democracy faces today. Bubba
Damn, according to your definition, OMTE(open minded to everything) is a liberal- wow, I think that I will become a conservative!!!!

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23363 Aug 26, 2013
How wrote:
Is 63 years too late??
Is today too late??
"‘Nothing More Impeachable' Than War Without Authorization, Says Constitutional Scholar"
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/nothing-more-...
There is no need for a Congress with Obama acting like King George. He routinely bypasses Congress using executive orders and seems to bomb countries at will.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23364 Aug 26, 2013
How wrote:
<quoted text>To set the record straight, IO has produced a lot of Methane on topix about Jesus being a Liberal. I will deal with this in another post because there is not enough space in this post due to IO’s long winded ramblings.
We'll all be waiting.

And these are the answers that Jesus gave us:
1) The Paramount Importance of Liberality toward the Needy :

{ Matthew 19:16, 21-26 }
When a man of some means came to Jesus with this crucial question: "Good Master, what must I do to have eternal life and happiness?
[ Jesus told him that he must begin by obeying the ten commandments. But, then...]

"If you want to be perfect, go and sell everything you have and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me." But when the young man heard this, he went away sadly, for he was very rich.

; ... Then Jesus said to his disciples, "It is almost impossible for a rich man to get into the Kingdom of Heaven. I say it again – it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God!

Notice, however, that Jesus doesn't say "destroy your wealth". They are mistaken who believe that Jesus viewed possessing things as evil. If he did, it would have be wrong from him to recommend that the rich divest themselves of evil things in order to encumber poor people with those evils. No he wanted the rich to give "goods" to the poor because they had too few of them, while the rich had more too many of them.

{ Luke 16:13-15}
" No slave can serve two masters; for a slave will either hate the one and love the other, or be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth." The Pharisees, who were lovers of money, heard all this, and they ridiculed him. So he said to them, "You are those who justify yourselves in the sight of others; but God knows your hearts; for what is prized by human beings is an abomination in the sight of God."

{ Luke 14:33-35}
So therefore, none of you can become my disciple if you do not give up all your possessions. Salt is good; but if salt has lost its taste, how can its saltiness be restored? It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; they throw it away. Let anyone with ears to hear listen!"

{Luke 12:15-21}
And he said to them, "Take care! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; for one's life does not consist in the abundance of possessions."

We can't wait to read the spin that turns this bleeding heart liberal into a Right Winger.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23365 Aug 26, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>No, you perverted perverter...

The Hebrews got their religion from others who were established before them, the early Old Testament coming from the Sumerians. Later, upon their return from Babylon, they actually begin to write something down from their oral tradition, course by that time they were influenced by the Perisans, and the later Old Testament was heavily influnced by the Zorastorians.

And of course you limit the Religions of the World to those coming out of the Middle East while ignoring Hinduism, &#8206;Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism.

Better stick to what you actually know, namely, posting links from your favorite perverted right wing sites.
Great post.

And what about that all-time hit favorite "Gilgamesh" ?
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23366 Aug 26, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>You are truly a perverted perverter, a liar and a peddler of perversion.

Tell us where in the US Constitution it mentions Jesus or Christianity.

Tell us where in the US Constitution it proscribes a method for the salvation of the soul, and the forgiveness of sin.

Better rest those few remaining brain cells, your constant posting is a serve drain on your remaining reserve.
Let me help here.

The Constitution of the United States with which you are familiar makes no reference to Christianity, or Jesus, thank God,(no pun intended).

But on Right Wing Wacko Planet, their version specifically requires everyone be Jewish, because, let's face it, that Jesus guy is a bleeding heart socialist Libtard, so the New Testament is a no-go.

Glad I could help.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23367 Aug 26, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
That was an extremely disturbing article, but why am I not in the least surprised that the former head of the Trans-Border Institute disputed the seriousness of the claims and instead suggested law enforcement was exaggerating the problem.
P.S. I am not ready to concede your position that the fires out west can be blamed on the cartels, but I am not denying it is possible.
I will restate again what I heard Al-Qaeda say publicly less than a year ago. They said that setting forest fires would be a most feasible way to attack the U.S. and would cost almost nothing and do great damage to our country.
To my knowledge there are 23 large fires raging in the western part of the country. Many in California.
We can make all the excuses up about these fires we want, but I think many of these are being set by Muslims. I hope I am wrong, but if I am right our government will never admit it. It is easier to lie about it. They seem to be really good at it.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23368 Aug 26, 2013
How wrote:
<quoted text>Amazing. You have the ability to put down 2 wingless birds with 1 short post. Not many can do that with less words.
First-
OMTE wrote: "You're a liar. Ya dumb queer muslim.:("

Followed by -
"How" Amazing. You have the ability to put down 2 wingless birds with 1 short post. Not many can do that with less words."

Please, please keep those posts coming.

The demonstration of intellectual ability, research, deep penetrating analysis, and erudite wit, is more telling than you could ever imagine.

A grateful nation thanks you for sacrificing any and all pride, honor, or respect to demonstrate how Right Wingers think,(or don't).

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23369 Aug 26, 2013
This post is to Informed Opinion:
It was late last night and I forgot to make one other point to make about the Federal Government being responsible fighting forest fires, which you disagreed with as usual.
Many of these fires are on Federally owned lands, so why shouldn't the government fight these fires?
Lets see you answer to that one.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23370 Aug 26, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>Just look to the most recent governments that are/were hostile to religion in general: the Soviet Union. Communist China, Cambodia's Khmer Rouge. Lovely examples of what happens when men think Man has all the answers.
Hey, all you Right Wingers who hate America and our freedom of, and freedom from religion feel free to move to your chosen countries like Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, and the rest of the hellholes where you Christian Taliban will fit right in.

Hey.. Maybe you'll get to stone a 14 year old girl to death for being raped, or beat a housewife for driving a car, or beheading someone for heresy.

Don't worry... we won't miss you all that much here where we value individual freedom.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23371 Aug 26, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>Ah the bizarre veiws of universalism.
Translation:
Damn, damn, damn.

"Oh My kicked my butt again."

Will you Right Wingers ever learn ?
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23372 Aug 26, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>The fires burning now in the west, were set by Mexican Drug Cartels. They've been infesting our national forests for years. Now they are burning them down. We are being attacked by mexico and no one cares. Obama is letting them, because he wants to destroy this country.(IMO)Impeach Obama Today!
http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/22/expert-sylv...
Huh ?
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23373 Aug 26, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>Damn, according to your definition, OMTE(open minded to everything) is a liberal- wow, I think that I will become a conservative!!!!
Good point.

Now I'm worried.

What if he shows up at the next secret meeting of liberals, socialists. commies, child-molesting, illegal aliens, Muslim, atheist, perverts dedicated to forcing young girls to pee in the same restrooms used by transgendered schoolmates, while traveling in hybrid vehicles to burn down Arnold Schwartzenegger's cabin ?

Do we have to let him in ?
OMTE

Kittanning, PA

#23374 Aug 26, 2013
Now Russia is warning(threatening) us......
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middl...

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