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#23277 Aug 25, 2013
OMTE wrote:
Thanks for sharing that, what a concept - talk to the people who are actually fighting and covering the border war.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#23278 Aug 25, 2013
How wrote:
<quoted text>And this comment from the most recent poster on that link. As of 6:36 am this morning.....

""Just Think 8 years ago we had 43 Large Air Tankers to fight the fires Now we only have 8
We use to manage our forest, Cut down infested trees and standing dead trees , Now we dont
Over 43 large fires and 8 large tankers ,, We use to Jump On Fires in early stages and keep them small,, Now we wait a day or two to start a major attack,, We use to have Planes to stop them early
Now we don't,, I know Let's do another study , Why & how this happen,, Go to Wildfire Today , Look how contract's are given and Taken ,, Look at Aero Union , They had Planes that meet NTS & Navy flight stds,, Aero closed there doors and the Planes have been setting for 3 years, They had 8 P3 orions and were Great about putting the wet stuff on the red stuff.. But the forest service add more Regulations and did not want to pay for the extra upkeep , The Contractors of these large Air Tankers don't have the government check book to back them up,, You can only spend what you have or close your doors & go broke ,, We have a lot of Lives on the line,,Where are the Planes to back them UP???? and where are the Planes to hit these fires in the Early stages ????

.. Maybe we should ask our Senators WHY... OH we Cant They are on a 5 week Vacation for summer,,, We are watching a lot of our National Parks Burn away , Maybe our Kids Kids will be able to see what we were able to see in 50 years ,, Bottom Line we need to give our fire crew's All the tools they need to work safe MORE Large Air Tankers & stop the fires when there are Small""
Please, have you finally admitted Right Wingers love Socialism ?

That'a typical socialist whining for more government and redistributing my money to others.

Nothing is more Socialist than National Forests. By what right do you confiscate my money through taxes to buy forests out west so people there can enjoy the benefits of land there didn't buy.

That's not even Socialism, that's definitional Communism.

How come anyone gets to build a house, or even live in, a publicly owned National Forest, that my tax dollars paid for ?

That's Socialism and Redistribution of my money to their pocket and their benefit.

If you build a house in a National Forest, every so often it may burn to the ground, why should the government confiscated money through taxes to provide fire protection for the property other people a continent away.
When did their desire to own a million dollar cabin on land I was forced to pay for, also become my problem to pay to protect ?

That's Socialism and Redistribution of my money to their pocket and their benefit.

We are running a 700 Billion Dollar deficit with a 16 Trillion Dollar debt, and I for one don't want to borrow more money from the Chinese to buy planes and equipment, and pay firefighters to protect million dollar homes, built by multimillionaires, like Arnold Schwartzenegger, in a damn forest that everyone knows is subject to forest fires, so that developers can make Billions of Dollars in personal profits.

That's Socialism, Redistribution, and Welfare.

Sounds like when it comes to:
- confiscating working peoples' money through taxes,
to buy National Forests a continent away,
- so people i don't even know can live there on the property I was forced to buy,
- and passing the costs of acquisition, maintenance, and protection on to the taxpayers like me,
- you've become quite the little Socialist.

Et Tu, Brute ?
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#23279 Aug 25, 2013
How wrote:
<quoted text>A delusional post from a delusional mind.
Yea, that leeeeeeberal, socialist, folks at the UltraConservative Heritage Foundation gotta be drummed out of the Right Wing Wacko force mow too. After all, they believe i. "True" Conservatism also - instead of Right Wing Wacko ..... well .... Wackiness.

Does exposure to indisputable facts, over and over, ever cause a Right Wing Wacko to say "OK !", the facts have caused me to change my mind and adopt a different belief based on the facts ?

Oh those pesky facts-

Conservatives Sowed Idea of Health Care Mandate, Only to Spurn It Later
By MICHAEL COOPER
Published: February 14, 2012

It can be difficult to remember now, given the ferocity with which many Republicans assail it as an attack on freedom, but the provision in President Obama’s health care law requiring all Americans to buy health insurance has its roots in conservative thinking.

The concept that people should be required to buy health coverage was fleshed out more than two decades ago by a number of conservative economists, embraced by scholars at conservative research groups, including the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, and championed, for a time, by Republicans in the Senate.

The individual mandate, as it is known, was seen then as a conservative alternative to some of the health care approaches favored by liberals — like creating a national health service or requiring employers to provide health coverage.

... It is now Republicans and conservatives who oppose the individual mandate, arguing that it is unconstitutional, while Democrats, who were long resistant to it, are its biggest defenders.

... Republican Mitt Romney, as the governor of Massachusetts, signed the health care law, which also contains an individual mandate.

.... Republican Newt Gingrich is often asked about his years of support for the idea.

.... Some conservatives originally saw the individual mandate as a way to make certain that uninsured people who became ill or were injured — but were still entitled by law to medical treatment — did not push the cost of their care onto others.

... Stuart Butler, a distinguished fellow at the Heritage Foundation, said in a 1989 lecture on how to ensure affordable health care for all Americans.“But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance.” Part of Mr. Butler’s solution back then?“Mandate all households to obtain adequate insurance.”

... Republican Bob Dole, and several who are still in office, proposed a bill that would have required individuals, and not employers, to buy insurance.

.... Republican Senator John Breaux of Louisiana found when he proposed one several years later.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#23280 Aug 25, 2013
How wrote:
<quoted text>So BigDave..........

How would you like to be a POW with this fella???
No worries "How", you never served and never will, so that's like asking:

"How'd you like to support a tax increase with this guy to pay for all these wars we've started ?"

or

"How'd you like to support a decrease in Social Security benefits for us, and terminating Part D benefits with this guy to help cut the deficit ?"

or

"How'd you like to support a 50% cut in the War Department budget with this guy to build schools and hospitals in America ?"

or

"How'd you like to work cleaning tables at the homeless shelter with this guy?"

Who knows, while you never would, just maybe there's one or two of those thing rational folks could get together and support.

Hope sprints eternal.
Informed Opinion

Naples, FL

#23281 Aug 25, 2013
OMTE wrote:
Great post.

Hard to believe in 2013 America any reporter actually does anything other than publish press releases and suck up to politicians and generals so they'll appear on TV shows.
OMTE

New Bethlehem, PA

#23282 Aug 25, 2013
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23283 Aug 25, 2013

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23284 Aug 25, 2013
How wrote:
<quoted text>
So BigDave..........
How would you like to be a POW with this fella???
Frankly I do not think I could trust him, as he seems to change his personality and ideas every 2 minutes. He seems to believe somewhat in whatever the moment at that times calls for.
A person reaching our age should have definite beliefs and ideas and know the difference in right and wrong. They should have developed good morals and ethics. They shouldn't have to debate what is right or wrong. Seems simple to me.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23285 Aug 25, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Please, have you finally admitted Right Wingers love Socialism ?
That'a typical socialist whining for more government and redistributing my money to others.
Nothing is more Socialist than National Forests. By what right do you confiscate my money through taxes to buy forests out west so people there can enjoy the benefits of land there didn't buy.
That's not even Socialism, that's definitional Communism.
How come anyone gets to build a house, or even live in, a publicly owned National Forest, that my tax dollars paid for ?
That's Socialism and Redistribution of my money to their pocket and their benefit.
If you build a house in a National Forest, every so often it may burn to the ground, why should the government confiscated money through taxes to provide fire protection for the property other people a continent away.
When did their desire to own a million dollar cabin on land I was forced to pay for, also become my problem to pay to protect ?
That's Socialism and Redistribution of my money to their pocket and their benefit.
We are running a 700 Billion Dollar deficit with a 16 Trillion Dollar debt, and I for one don't want to borrow more money from the Chinese to buy planes and equipment, and pay firefighters to protect million dollar homes, built by multimillionaires, like Arnold Schwartzenegger, in a damn forest that everyone knows is subject to forest fires, so that developers can make Billions of Dollars in personal profits.
That's Socialism, Redistribution, and Welfare.
Sounds like when it comes to:
- confiscating working peoples' money through taxes,
to buy National Forests a continent away,
- so people i don't even know can live there on the property I was forced to buy,
- and passing the costs of acquisition, maintenance, and protection on to the taxpayers like me,
- you've become quite the little Socialist.
Et Tu, Brute ?
I don't see anything socialistic about the government fighting forest fires. They are the only ones with the actual ability and resources to do that job. I think it is their responsibility to fight those fires as it is their responsibility to protect this country and the citizens of this country. That is supposed to be the goverments primary function. Fighting forest fires is doing what they are required to do, especially when it may be foreign or domestic enemies setting these fires.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23286 Aug 25, 2013
Looks as if the United States is going to get involved in another useless war.
Our country is broke. Our Armed Forces are being cut and do not have enough funding to be be actually ready for war.
Our military personal and their equipment is tired and wore out.
American families are sick and tired of their loved ones being killed for nothing on a continent that most of the inhabitants hate us.
The Russians have a huge interest in Syria as well as Iran and will not take kindly to U.S. involvement.
One miscalculation and the whole thing may turn into World War III.
I just see no American interest involved especially after this Administration has had nothing but utter failures and lack of any type of leadership in the Mideast. Why now?
Just my personal feelings on this subject.
War isn't like the movies portray it, it is true hell.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mid...
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23287 Aug 25, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see anything socialistic about the government fighting forest fires. They are the only ones with the actual ability and resources to do that job. I think it is their responsibility to fight those fires as it is their responsibility to protect this country and the citizens of this country. That is supposed to be the goverments primary function. Fighting forest fires is doing what they are required to do, especially when it may be foreign or domestic enemies setting these fires.
Really ?

I agree the government should fight forest fires in Idaho, i acknowledge that socialism is a natural part of our economic system, and it has to be.

I use the example to show how all this talk of "Socialism" is nonsensical claptrap, and that we are all "Socialists" to some extent, so it's ridiculous for one Socialist to accuse another person of being Socialist.

When the government reaches into my pocket, removes my money, and uses it protect the house of a guy in Idaho named "Bob", by definition, that is Socialism and Redistribution.

I can't keep my money because "Bob's" house, a continent away, might burn down ?

Why is that my problem ?
I didn't tell him to build his house in a forest.
I didn't tell him not to hire fire fighters to protect his house.
Why should i pay more in taxes so Bob can save money on his fire insurance ?
What's it my problem if his house burns to the ground ?

Capitalism says it's his choice to build a house in the forest that might burn, and the risk is all his, the problem with fire protection in the forest is all his, none of it's my problem.

Socialism says that since Bob probably can't afford to maintain his own fire protection,
Bob can't afford to buy insurance without fire protection being provided,
and,
as a society we don't want Bob and his family homeless,
the government will take my money from my pocket, by force,
and use my money to subsidize Bob's insurance, and protect Bob's house,
for Bob's benefit, and the benefit of society.

That my friend is the absolute opposite of Capitalism and is pure Socialism.

I'm just waiting for all these Right Wingers so upset about the deficit, the debt, and socialism to be intellectually consistent and tell Bob to pound sand and die - Bob made a bad decision and capitalism says "Too bad - So sad".
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23288 Aug 25, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>Frankly I do not think I could trust him, as he seems to change his personality and ideas every 2 minutes. He seems to believe somewhat in whatever the moment at that times calls for.
A person reaching our age should have definite beliefs and ideas and know the difference in right and wrong. They should have developed good morals and ethics. They shouldn't have to debate what is right or wrong. Seems simple to me.
I expected more from you.

My mistake.

My ideas and philosophy are consistent.

It's Right Wing Wackos that say spending Billions of Dollars to provide federal fire protection for millionaires in Idaho is not socialism, but providing good to a three month old baby is.

It's Right Wing Wackos who say the deficit and debt are bed things, then support Right Wingers who explode the deficit and triple the debt, and attack Democrats who balance the budget and cut Right Wing deficits in half.

It's Right Wing Wackos who claim they want limited government out of our lives, but support the he government wiretapping, eavesdropping, kidnapping, torturing, and assassinating Americans, peeking in our bedrooms to regulate who sleeps with who, and in our daughters' uteruses to control their very bodies.

It's Right Wingers who support Bush the Beloved and hate Obama, even though their policies are practically clones

Nope.,. That Cognitive Dissonance has got you down... and no wonder.

Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23289 Aug 25, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>I expected more from you.

My mistake.

My ideas and philosophy are consistent.

It's Right Wing Wackos that say spending Billions of Dollars to provide federal fire protection for millionaires in Idaho is not socialism, but providing good to a three month old baby is.

It's Right Wing Wackos who say the deficit and debt are bed things, then support Right Wingers who explode the deficit and triple the debt, and attack Democrats who balance the budget and cut Right Wing deficits in half.

It's Right Wing Wackos who claim they want limited government out of our lives, but support the he government wiretapping, eavesdropping, kidnapping, torturing, and assassinating Americans, peeking in our bedrooms to regulate who sleeps with who, and in our daughters' uteruses to control their very bodies.

It's Right Wingers who support Bush the Beloved and hate Obama, even though their policies are practically clones

Nope.,. That Cognitive Dissonance has got you down... and no wonder.
Sorry for the "Spellcheck" issues.
My kid and I are watching soccer and he made me watch replays of a goal being scored - so proofreading went out the window.
How

Clarkesville, GA

#23290 Aug 25, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry for the "Spellcheck" issues.
My kid and I are watching soccer and he made me watch replays of a goal being scored - so proofreading went out the window.

That's not the only thing that went out the window.
How

Clarkesville, GA

#23291 Aug 25, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Frankly I do not think I could trust him, as he seems to change his personality and ideas every 2 minutes. He seems to believe somewhat in whatever the moment at that times calls for.
A person reaching our age should have definite beliefs and ideas and know the difference in right and wrong. They should have developed good morals and ethics. They shouldn't have to debate what is right or wrong. Seems simple to me.
Simple for most folks. Hard for those who throw it out windows.
OMTE

New Bethlehem, PA

#23292 Aug 25, 2013
Looks like more folks are planning to go to D.C. on 9/11. Way to to go ya dumb muslims. Remember ya'll started this. Just sayin. ;)
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/look-whos-crashing...
OMTE

New Bethlehem, PA

#23293 Aug 25, 2013
Very interesting article.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/now-egypt-looks-to...
Impeach Obama Today.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23294 Aug 25, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
Looks as if the United States is going to get involved in another useless war.
Our country is broke. Our Armed Forces are being cut and do not have enough funding to be be actually ready for war.
Our military personal and their equipment is tired and wore out.
American families are sick and tired of their loved ones being killed for nothing on a continent that most of the inhabitants hate us.
The Russians have a huge interest in Syria as well as Iran and will not take kindly to U.S. involvement.
One miscalculation and the whole thing may turn into World War III.
I just see no American interest involved especially after this Administration has had nothing but utter failures and lack of any type of leadership in the Mideast. Why now?
Just my personal feelings on this subject.
War isn't like the movies portray it, it is true hell.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mid...
Good post, though after the debacle in Iraq, nothing Obama can do can be more egregious.

Stay the hell out of Syria - another thing Right Wingers and Left Wingers and Moderates can agree on.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23295 Aug 25, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Really ?
I agree the government should fight forest fires in Idaho, i acknowledge that socialism is a natural part of our economic system, and it has to be.
I use the example to show how all this talk of "Socialism" is nonsensical claptrap, and that we are all "Socialists" to some extent, so it's ridiculous for one Socialist to accuse another person of being Socialist.
When the government reaches into my pocket, removes my money, and uses it protect the house of a guy in Idaho named "Bob", by definition, that is Socialism and Redistribution.
I can't keep my money because "Bob's" house, a continent away, might burn down ?
Why is that my problem ?
I didn't tell him to build his house in a forest.
I didn't tell him not to hire fire fighters to protect his house.
Why should i pay more in taxes so Bob can save money on his fire insurance ?
What's it my problem if his house burns to the ground ?
Capitalism says it's his choice to build a house in the forest that might burn, and the risk is all his, the problem with fire protection in the forest is all his, none of it's my problem.
Socialism says that since Bob probably can't afford to maintain his own fire protection,
Bob can't afford to buy insurance without fire protection being provided,
and,
as a society we don't want Bob and his family homeless,
the government will take my money from my pocket, by force,
and use my money to subsidize Bob's insurance, and protect Bob's house,
for Bob's benefit, and the benefit of society.
That my friend is the absolute opposite of Capitalism and is pure Socialism.
I'm just waiting for all these Right Wingers so upset about the deficit, the debt, and socialism to be intellectually consistent and tell Bob to pound sand and die - Bob made a bad decision and capitalism says "Too bad - So sad".
Holly moley man, what is wrong with your thought process? It is the governments main job for national defense to protect this country and its citizens. Our country is being destroyed by fire and the damage could be thee same as if we were fire bombed. Our valuable forest , homes, will be lost. Perhaps a large city if such a raging fire can not be stopped. Many people may die. It could cost this country billions of dollars. It has nothing to do with socialism. It has to do with the government acting on it's responsibilities.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23296 Aug 25, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I expected more from you.
My mistake.
My ideas and philosophy are consistent.
It's Right Wing Wackos that say spending Billions of Dollars to provide federal fire protection for millionaires in Idaho is not socialism, but providing good to a three month old baby is.
It's Right Wing Wackos who say the deficit and debt are bed things, then support Right Wingers who explode the deficit and triple the debt, and attack Democrats who balance the budget and cut Right Wing deficits in half.
It's Right Wing Wackos who claim they want limited government out of our lives, but support the he government wiretapping, eavesdropping, kidnapping, torturing, and assassinating Americans, peeking in our bedrooms to regulate who sleeps with who, and in our daughters' uteruses to control their very bodies.
It's Right Wingers who support Bush the Beloved and hate Obama, even though their policies are practically clones
Nope.,. That Cognitive Dissonance has got you down... and no wonder.
Why would you think that I would suddenly change my philosophy? I have posted long enough for anybody to be very clear on most of my views and how I think.
I am not a liberal most of the time and then suddenly post reasonable conservative thoughts.
I don't support guys running around naked in the girls locker rooms.
I don't support the Democratic Party and what it stands for.
About once every 4 months we agree on something and I am fair minded enough to tell you so.
I see this left wing Democratic controlled administration lying to us and promoting wire taps and data collection by the NSA.
I see them trying to start new conflicts in the world where we have no business or interest.
I see them in charge of the drones, military operations, spying, and almost everything that you mentioned in your complaints, not Right Wingers. I never said I was happy with all that either. However I am for protection of children from sexual predators and women from rape and abuse.
I have come to the point that I don't know which people you are talking about. Who are the Right Wingers? Are all conservative Right Wingers to you? Is it only Republicans that you consider Right Wingers? Is it just people that disagree with your views that are Right Wingers?
I assume that you think I am a Right Winger. Guess what? I am not a Republican.
Frankly most everything that you mentioned your dislike for is being controlled by a Democratic President, a Democratic Senate, and a Democratic Administration.
I consider them Left Wingers. Am I wrong?

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