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Clarkesville, GA

#23246 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow... The reception must be really bad on Right Wing Wacko Planet, or you should demand a refund for that lobotomy you got from that Cuba veterinarian in his garage in Atalanta.
Here on Earth we Normal Folks are amazed you have the ability to be so tenaciously dedicated to appearing foolish, even after having had you ass handed to you over and over again.
But hey... Just project into the screen any ending it makes you happy to see.
We'll stick with reality on our planet.

Well mr perverter:
Here is your BS which needs no further explanation, along with a few of your muslim symbols.

““... Thomas Jefferson, along with James Madison worked assiduously to have an 11th Amendment included into our nation’s original Bill of Rights.

... The amendment would have made it illegal for corporations to own other corporations, or to give money to politicians, or to otherwise try to influence elections.

Corporations would be chartered by the states for the primary purpose of “serving the public good.—”



And here is the truth of the Amendments, all in English symbols.

“”In 1789, James Madison, then an elected member from Virginia of the First Congress's House of Representatives, proposed 19 amendments meant to answer the objections already raised in the states. The Senate consolidated and trimmed these down to 12, which were approved by Congress and sent out to the states by President Washington in October, 1789.”

Twelve amendments were proposed by Congress, only the last ten were originally ratified by the states. Of the remaining two, Article 2 was adopted and ratified 203 years later in 1992 as the Twenty-seventh Amendment, and the other one, Article 1, technically remains pending before the states.””

Madison, nor Jefferson ever proposed the BS that IO is trying to pass off History .

Therefore you are a pervert of another nature, in addition to other pervert natures.
How

Clarkesville, GA

#23247 Aug 24, 2013
I agree wrote:
<quoted text>
Well mr perverter:
Here is your BS which needs no further explanation, along with a few of your muslim symbols.
““... Thomas Jefferson, along with James Madison worked assiduously to have an 11th Amendment included into our nation’s original Bill of Rights.
... The amendment would have made it illegal for corporations to own other corporations, or to give money to politicians, or to otherwise try to influence elections.
Corporations would be chartered by the states for the primary purpose of “serving the public good.—”
And here is the truth of the Amendments, all in English symbols.
“”In 1789, James Madison, then an elected member from Virginia of the First Congress's House of Representatives, proposed 19 amendments meant to answer the objections already raised in the states. The Senate consolidated and trimmed these down to 12, which were approved by Congress and sent out to the states by President Washington in October, 1789.”
Twelve amendments were proposed by Congress, only the last ten were originally ratified by the states. Of the remaining two, Article 2 was adopted and ratified 203 years later in 1992 as the Twenty-seventh Amendment, and the other one, Article 1, technically remains pending before the states.””
Madison, nor Jefferson ever proposed the BS that IO is trying to pass off History .
Therefore you are a pervert of another nature, in addition to other pervert natures.

My post.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23249 Aug 24, 2013
How wrote:
But wait!! Hold the horses!! Hold the presses!!
Gag the Gores of the world!!!
"Arctic Ice gain sets a new record"
"With a few weeks of growth still to occur, the Arctic has blown away the previous record for ice gain this winter. This is only the third winter in history when more than 10 million km˛ of new ice has formed."
Everyone forgets the artic hurricane that broke us a huge portion of the ice and caused the icebergs to float away and melt.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/02/12/sea-ice...
When the news catches up with the flaky scientist, they will say something like "the desert drought caused the hurricane, that broke up the ice, that raised the sea 1/2", that caused Gore to have a hissy fit, and blame everyone for his failure to communicate the seriousness of his carbon credits taking a hit in his portfolio."
Yes, you are correct and know exactly what is going on.
Informed Opinion

United States

#23250 Aug 24, 2013
I agree wrote:
<quoted text>Well mr perverter:
Here is your BS which needs no further explanation, along with a few of your muslim symbols.

““... Thomas Jefferson, along with James Madison worked assiduously to have an 11th Amendment included into our nation’s original Bill of Rights.

... The amendment would have made it illegal for corporations to own other corporations, or to give money to politicians, or to otherwise try to influence elections.

Corporations would be chartered by the states for the primary purpose of “serving the public good.—”



And here is the truth of the Amendments, all in English symbols.

“”In 1789, James Madison, then an elected member from Virginia of the First Congress's House of Representatives, proposed 19 amendments meant to answer the objections already raised in the states. The Senate consolidated and trimmed these down to 12, which were approved by Congress and sent out to the states by President Washington in October, 1789.”

Twelve amendments were proposed by Congress, only the last ten were originally ratified by the states. Of the remaining two, Article 2 was adopted and ratified 203 years later in 1992 as the Twenty-seventh Amendment, and the other one, Article 1, technically remains pending before the states.””

Madison, nor Jefferson ever proposed the BS that IO is trying to pass off History .

Therefore you are a pervert of another nature, in addition to other pervert natures.
Please don't put down your lollipop and try to join the grown-ups.

You embarrass yourself, and any Right Wingers idiotic enough, or desperate enough to agree with your nonsense.

Jefferson wrote repeatedly about his distrust and fear of corporations and his belief they could, and unless controlled, would destroy the Republic. His attempt to get an Amendment addressing that concern submitted to the states is completely consistent with that position.

Secondly, as usual, when the truth is unassailable, Right Wing Wackos create a "Strawman" to attack.

Nobody claimed that Jefferson and Adams were successful in adding their Amendment to control corporations to the Amendments presented to the states for approval. In fact it's clear they were unsuccessful in that attempt.

Why not attack my post claiming it said that Jefferson drafted his proposed Amendment using Microsoft Word on his Windows 8 program. That would really be easy to attack.


Now put the lollipop your Mommy bought you you to keep you from demonstrating your ignorance and get back to watching Bridezillas.
Correction

Adel, GA

#23251 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for agreeing again that all facts presented were accurate, surely, had it been otherwise you would have provided documentation of such.
Also thanks for referring to me as a "Progressive Liar".
In 1938 Germany, the Nazis labelled their opposition "Liberal Liars"
To paraphrase-
- First they came for those they called communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
- Then they came for those they called socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
- Then they came for those they called unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Niemöller created multiple versions
Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church?
"I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out."
Check your facts cup-cake. The confessing church did speak out and informed the rest of the world what was going on in the German Reichskirche. Some paid with their lives for this. The government had co-opted the Lutheran Church and went so far as to take church youth groups and absorb them into the Hitler Youth.
Actually the progressive movement in America today looks an awful lot like the German National Socialist movement of the early 1930's. This was lead primarily by an Austrian who really wasn't legally in office in Germany. Don't bother calling Godwin on this, these are merely facts inconvenient as that may be.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23252 Aug 24, 2013
I just had to post this article after readings How's post on Arctic ice.
This article proves Obama lies when trying to push the global warming agenda. If he isn't lying then I guess he just makes things up. LOL
Getting serious again it seems that there are not enough hurricanes to justify the theory that global warming is causing more of them.
Looks to me like the Sun is cooling us down and as it does so, is cooling the earth and it's waters. Remember hurricanes need warm water to form.
Whatever the reasons, there are less and less hurricanes since Obama took office.
Global warming is dead.
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/08/24...

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23253 Aug 24, 2013
This article should scare the h*ll out of you. Seems the Department of Defense thinks that conservatives are extremists, and dangerous. They have mixed apples and oranges declaring that conservatives are racists,and members of hate groups. Conservatives are just what they are called, conservatives. Racists and people that belong to hate groups are just what the names imply and have nothing to do with true Obviously Racists and hate groups do not believe in the U.S. Constitution or conservative principles. That tells me that the DOD no longer believes or will follow the Constitution of the United States of America.
Just who is really running the DOD and making up these asinine rules and assumptions?
The DOD has made up new rules and regulations for it's soldiers that take away their Constitutional rights which they are willing to put their lives on the line for.
What is our country turning into? Not a free Democratic Republic but some sort of government that hates the people that supports our U.S. Constitution.
http://www.infowars.com/dod-training-manual-s...

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23254 Aug 24, 2013
error should say---Racists and people that belong to hate groups are just what the names imply and have nothing to do with true conservatives.
Informed Opinion

United States

#23255 Aug 24, 2013
Correction wrote:
<quoted text>Check your facts cup-cake. The confessing church did speak out and informed the rest of the world what was going on in the German Reichskirche. Some paid with their lives for this. The government had co-opted the Lutheran Church and went so far as to take church youth groups and absorb them into the Hitler Youth.
Actually the progressive movement in America today looks an awful lot like the German National Socialist movement of the early 1930's. This was lead primarily by an Austrian who really wasn't legally in office in Germany. Don't bother calling Godwin on this, these are merely facts inconvenient as that may be.
"Cupcake" ?

How long did you sit in that 26 year old lazy-boy you found abandoned next door after the neighbors lost the house to foreclosure, scratching your size 52 belly, drinking semi-warm PBR beer, watching reruns of "HeeHaw", and arguing with your common-law wife about Juniors most recent expulsion from school for selling meth to the other kids in grade school, before you can up with "Cupcake" ?

But, to the point.

The author of the quite paraphrased immediately prior to the statement to which you object, also believed that the Church failed to sufficiently object to the growing power of the Nazi Party.

Now maybe you were there, and maybe he wasn't paying attention, or maybe people can disagree about it, but I tend to take the authors representations as more credible than yours. Go figure.

As to trying to accuse progressives and liberals,
who fight continuously to protect our freedom from government intrusion and control,
with being at all similar to the Right Wing Wacko Christian Taliban,
that demands the government creep into people's beds to see who they sleep with; crawl into women's uteruses, to control what they do with their own bodies; wiretap, eavesdrop, assassinate and torture Americans, to keep the continuously scared sh.tless Right Wingers safe from the terrorists hiding in their wife's underwear drawer;
is typical Right Wing Lunacy.

Hey... Can't keep you. Roy is about to say: "HeeeeeeeeewwHaaaaaaaw ", and I wouldn't want you to miss it.

"Cupcake" ?

"Really" ?
Informed Opinion

United States

#23256 Aug 24, 2013
How wrote:
How Libroids and racists fake hate crimes in order to get attention(a desire to be relevant) and atta-boys from obama.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
Breitbart ?

Breitbart - they still paying hookers to lie and falsely claim they had affairs with democrats ?

Breitbart - they still lying about ACORN and refusing to publish the facts that ACORN was not only cleared of wrongdoing, that law enforcement actually congratulated it on complying with the law, and that those who slandered and libeled ACORN were forced to apologize and pay damages and attorneys fees to ACORN employees ?

Breitbart - they ever apologize for falsely reporting Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize Winning Economist had declared bankruptcy - when every real news source refused to publish an obvious Right Wing Lie ?



Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#23257 Aug 24, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
I just had to post this article after readings How's post on Arctic ice.
This article proves Obama lies when trying to push the global warming agenda. If he isn't lying then I guess he just makes things up. LOL
...
It's called ad-libbing. It's what the libroids do.
Informed Opinion

United States

#23258 Aug 24, 2013
This is worth being angry about.

Think Right Wingers can join Left Wingers in being outraged over this ?

13 things the government is trying to hide from you
Our government is intentionally keeping massive amounts of information secret from voters
BILL QUIGLEY | August 22, 2013 10:54 AM

Here are 13 examples.

1. The government seizes and searches all Internet and text communications that enter or leave the U.S.

2. The government created and maintains secret backdoor access into all databases in order to search for information on U.S. citizens.

3. The government operates a vast database, which allows it to sift through millions of records on the Internet to show nearly everything a person does.

4. The government has a special court that meets in secret to authorize access for the FBI and other investigators to millions and millions of U.S. phone, text, email and business records.

5. The government keeps top secret nearly all the decisions of the FISA court.

6. The government is fighting to keep top secret a key 2011 decision of the FISA court even after the court said it could be made public.

7. The government uses secret National Security Letters (NSL) issued by the FBI to seize tens of thousands of records.

8. The National Security head was caught not telling the truth to Congress about the surveillance of millions of U.S. citizens.

9. The government falsely assured the U.S. public in writing that privacy protections are significantly stronger than they actually are and senators who knew better were not allowed to disclose the truth.

10. The chief defender of spying in the House of Representatives, the chair of the oversight intelligence subcommittee, did not tell the truth or maybe did not know the truth about surveillance.

11. The House intelligence oversight committee repeatedly refused to provide basic surveillance information to elected members of the House of Representatives, Republican and Democrat.

12. The paranoia about secrecy of surveillance is so bad in the House of Representatives that an elected member of Congress was threatened for passing around copies of the Snowden disclosures, which had already been printed in newspapers worldwide.

13. The Senate oversight committee refused to allow a dissenting senator to publicly discuss his objections to surveillance.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#23259 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
This is worth being angry about.
Think Right Wingers can join Left Wingers in being outraged over this ?
13 things the government is trying to hide from you
Our government is intentionally keeping massive amounts of information secret from voters
BILL QUIGLEY | August 22, 2013 10:54 AM
Here are 13 examples.
1. The government seizes and searches all Internet and text communications that enter or leave the U.S.
2. The government created and maintains secret backdoor access into all databases in order to search for information on U.S. citizens.
3. The government operates a vast database, which allows it to sift through millions of records on the Internet to show nearly everything a person does.
4. The government has a special court that meets in secret to authorize access for the FBI and other investigators to millions and millions of U.S. phone, text, email and business records.
5. The government keeps top secret nearly all the decisions of the FISA court.
6. The government is fighting to keep top secret a key 2011 decision of the FISA court even after the court said it could be made public.
7. The government uses secret National Security Letters (NSL) issued by the FBI to seize tens of thousands of records.
8. The National Security head was caught not telling the truth to Congress about the surveillance of millions of U.S. citizens.
9. The government falsely assured the U.S. public in writing that privacy protections are significantly stronger than they actually are and senators who knew better were not allowed to disclose the truth.
10. The chief defender of spying in the House of Representatives, the chair of the oversight intelligence subcommittee, did not tell the truth or maybe did not know the truth about surveillance.
11. The House intelligence oversight committee repeatedly refused to provide basic surveillance information to elected members of the House of Representatives, Republican and Democrat.
12. The paranoia about secrecy of surveillance is so bad in the House of Representatives that an elected member of Congress was threatened for passing around copies of the Snowden disclosures, which had already been printed in newspapers worldwide.
13. The Senate oversight committee refused to allow a dissenting senator to publicly discuss his objections to surveillance.
You have outdone yourself this time. As far as I can tell you are factually correct and have knocked it out of the park for a home run.
I am sure the NSA has taken a hard look at you and me since we post a good bit on Topix. Anyone that post their views on here is probably subject to investigation.
I have known that they were reading my e-mails and following me around on the web for several years. I didn't need Snowden to tell me that. The information was on the Web if people would just read. I don't appreciate them invading my privacy. I also think they are wasting their time which is wasting our tax dollars looking at people that are harmless American citizens when they should be looking for enemies of our country.
I have had several security clearances with different government agencies and I feel that I could get another clearance again as they already know everything about me. So I wouldn't be too happy if they were looking at me, instead of finding and stopping a terrorist that might kill my family, friends or myself.
The NSA should be professional enough and have enough ethics to know exactly what they are looking for without crippling themselves with too much worthless excess data. That might mean the difference between life and death.
That is just my humble opinion.
OMTE

New Bethlehem, PA

#23261 Aug 24, 2013
Very interesting article.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/evidence-u-s-bribe...
Impeach Obama today.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#23262 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
It amazes me that your are perfectly happy with men,(strangers or acquaintances), raping 6 year old children (who training to be nuns), them shooting them, and selling their bodies to medical schools.
Oh wait ...
I thought this was the usual "Stupid Strawman Contest" that Synergy creates for her and her Right Wing Wacko friends in an attempt to make their lunacy appear less so.
Never mind.
Lunatic. You might as well move on. You have "exposed" yourself(pun intended) and no one believes your crap anyway.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#23263 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh.. So at least one inhabitant of Right Wing Wacko Planet enjoying that socialist TVA electricity to watch the video of their Chosen Right Wing Leader describe his disdain for Union County's Right Wingers.
How that truth must hurt you.
We Normal Americans understand that rural counties with unusually high number of relatively poor, indigent, and elderly, government dependent residents,(Union County), must tremble in terror when their chosen leader identifies them as the "problem" with America.
Why, those are the very government programs upon which much of your county exists.
Well those, and government grants and loans for your police and fire departments, water treatment and distribution, subsidies to farmers, small business loans, sewage collection and treatment, and all other government services.
Especially when your Chosen Right Wing Leader is talking about you .. specifically describing you.
By the way, we Normal Americans do feel bad that you had to learn your Chosen Right Wing Leader considers you to be parasitic, government dependent, slugs, unworthy of notice, by videotape secretly taken because he didn't want you to know.
But hey.... He's your Chosen Right Wing Leader.
How it must sting to have your chosen leader identify that when you consider your cagrees with us Normal Americans that, yes, a large percentage of Union County is government dependent.
It's so much fun to watch.
Lunatic. You're done.
How

Clarkesville, GA

#23264 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>

Jefferson wrote repeatedly about his distrust and fear of corporations and his belief they could, and unless controlled, would destroy the Republic. His attempt to get an Amendment addressing that concern submitted to the states is completely consistent with that position.

Nobody claimed that Jefferson and Adams were successful in adding their Amendment to control corporations to the Amendments presented to the states for approval. In fact it's clear they were unsuccessful in that attempt.

Since you like to quote Jefferson, you would do well to take this Jefferson quote and let it soak into that sorry libroid soul of yours..

“Truth will do well enough if left to shift for herself. She seldom has received much aid from the power of great men to whom she is rarely known & seldom welcome. She has no need of force to procure entrance into the minds of men. Error indeed has often prevailed by the assistance of power or force. Truth is the proper & sufficient antagonist to error.”

IO’s post # 23222

“.. Thomas Jefferson, along with James Madison worked assiduously to have an 11th Amendment included into our nation’s original Bill of Rights.”
IO posted a lie with above post, and thought he could get away with it. When libroids lips or fingers move, we know they are lying.


IO’s post # 23228
“May (July 4) be to the world, what I believe it will be -- to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all -- the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form (of government) which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.”

So, yes, by all means, let us look to the original intent of the founders this July 4. But let us recognize what they actually said and meant about the danger posed by an “aristocracy of corporations” and the danger of allowing CEOs to ride roughshod over the democratic promise of the American experiment.”

The first paragraph is correct. The last paragraph is NOT part of Jeffersons remarks. IO added the last paragraph, most likely from a socialist weblink.

This post of IO’s…
“Nobody claimed that Jefferson and Adams were successful in adding their Amendment to control corporations to the Amendments presented to the states for approval. In fact it's clear they were unsuccessful in that attempt.”

First IO claims it was Jefferson and Madison, in this post he claims it was Jefferson and Adams. And it is also self evident he continues to push forth the lie with the quote above.
Lies have a way of catching up with the liar.

IO’s original claim was ““.. Thomas Jefferson, along with James Madison worked assiduously to have an 11th Amendment included into our nation’s original Bill of Rights.”
Which has been proven false. No such effort was made by Jefferson, Madison, Adams, or anyone else to include an Amendment that would have made it illegal for corporations to own other corporations, or to give money to politicians, or to otherwise try to influence elections.

A lie upon a lie upon multiple lies do not add up to the truth. It only shows a fool will never learn.
How

Clarkesville, GA

#23265 Aug 24, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
This article should scare the h*ll out of you. Seems the Department of Defense thinks that conservatives are extremists, and dangerous. They have mixed apples and oranges declaring that conservatives are racists,and members of hate groups. Conservatives are just what they are called, conservatives. Racists and people that belong to hate groups are just what the names imply and have nothing to do with true Obviously Racists and hate groups do not believe in the U.S. Constitution or conservative principles. That tells me that the DOD no longer believes or will follow the Constitution of the United States of America.
Just who is really running the DOD and making up these asinine rules and assumptions?
The DOD has made up new rules and regulations for it's soldiers that take away their Constitutional rights which they are willing to put their lives on the line for.
What is our country turning into? Not a free Democratic Republic but some sort of government that hates the people that supports our U.S. Constitution.
http://www.infowars.com/dod-training-manual-s...

Supports my earlier prediction(several months back) that within 10-15 years, maybe even earlier, America will be ruled by a group of 5-7 individuals who will control the military to do their bidding.
Informed Opinion

Cape Coral, FL

#23266 Aug 24, 2013
Bigdave1 wrote:
<quoted text>You have outdone yourself this time. As far as I can tell you are factually correct and have knocked it out of the park for a home run.
I am sure the NSA has taken a hard look at you and me since we post a good bit on Topix. Anyone that post their views on here is probably subject to investigation.
I have known that they were reading my e-mails and following me around on the web for several years. I didn't need Snowden to tell me that. The information was on the Web if people would just read. I don't appreciate them invading my privacy. I also think they are wasting their time which is wasting our tax dollars looking at people that are harmless American citizens when they should be looking for enemies of our country.
I have had several security clearances with different government agencies and I feel that I could get another clearance again as they already know everything about me. So I wouldn't be too happy if they were looking at me, instead of finding and stopping a terrorist that might kill my family, friends or myself.
The NSA should be professional enough and have enough ethics to know exactly what they are looking for without crippling themselves with too much worthless excess data. That might mean the difference between life and death.
That is just my humble opinion.
Thanks Bigdave"

We may disagree on many things, and have a lot if fun giving each other grief, and if we both agree on this we must be extraordinarily right, or amazingly wrong.

When the NSA hits out house with that "SWAT" team reserved for us old guys with balding heads and growing girth, I promise no matter how many times they waterboard me, I'll hold out at least 20 seconds before I tell them anything they want to know, and confess to anything they say I did.

Like we used to say during SERE training when confronted with an interrogator holding a cattle prod and a smile, demanding to know where the rest of the platoon might be found .......... "Your map, or mine".

How

Clarkesville, GA

#23267 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
This is worth being angry about.
Think Right Wingers can join Left Wingers in being outraged over this ?
13 things the government is trying to hide from you
Our government is intentionally keeping massive amounts of information secret from voters
BILL QUIGLEY | August 22, 2013 10:54 AM
Here are 13 examples.
1. The government seizes and searches all Internet and text communications that enter or leave the U.S.
2. The government created and maintains secret backdoor access into all databases in order to search for information on U.S. citizens.
3. The government operates a vast database, which allows it to sift through millions of records on the Internet to show nearly everything a person does.
4. The government has a special court that meets in secret to authorize access for the FBI and other investigators to millions and millions of U.S. phone, text, email and business records.
5. The government keeps top secret nearly all the decisions of the FISA court.
6. The government is fighting to keep top secret a key 2011 decision of the FISA court even after the court said it could be made public.
7. The government uses secret National Security Letters (NSL) issued by the FBI to seize tens of thousands of records.
8. The National Security head was caught not telling the truth to Congress about the surveillance of millions of U.S. citizens.
9. The government falsely assured the U.S. public in writing that privacy protections are significantly stronger than they actually are and senators who knew better were not allowed to disclose the truth.
10. The chief defender of spying in the House of Representatives, the chair of the oversight intelligence subcommittee, did not tell the truth or maybe did not know the truth about surveillance.
11. The House intelligence oversight committee repeatedly refused to provide basic surveillance information to elected members of the House of Representatives, Republican and Democrat.
12. The paranoia about secrecy of surveillance is so bad in the House of Representatives that an elected member of Congress was threatened for passing around copies of the Snowden disclosures, which had already been printed in newspapers worldwide.
13. The Senate oversight committee refused to allow a dissenting senator to publicly discuss his objections to surveillance.

What?? You're now joining the conservatives and turning against the progressives and socialists???

I'm not sure the conservatives will welcome you without taking a trial of 40 lashes and 30 days in a dungeon.

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