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Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#23228 Aug 24, 2013
A well-articulated explanation of those radical leeeeeeberal revolutionary Founding Fathers:

Thomas Jefferson Feared an Aristocracy of Corporations
John Nichols on July 4, 2010 - 5:50 PM ET

Thomas Jefferson's name gets thrown around quite a bit these days by the Tea Partisans, which is a good thing.

A populist movement of the right or the left that neglected Jefferson, the most radical of the first presidents, would be a sorry affair indeed.

... He was, as well, a relentless critic of the monopolizing of economic power by banks, corporations and those who put their faith in what the third president referred to as "the selfish spirit of commerce (that) knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.

Jefferson might not have wanted a lot of government, but he wanted enough government to assert the sovereignty of citizens over corporations. To his view, nothing was more important to the health of the republic.

In the early years of the 19th century, as banks and corporations began to flex their political muscles, he announced that:“I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

There are those who would have us believe that the founders intended for corporations to control our elections – and, tragically, five of these Tories sit on the U.S. Supreme Court, where they recently ruled that the nation’s biggest businesses may spend whatever they like to buy the results that best serve their bottom lines.

The better angels among the founders would be aghast.

The framers of the American experiment were imperfect men, to be sure. Few were so radical, or so far ahead of their times, as Tom Paine, the wisest of their number. But like Paine, Jefferson was a proud revolutionary against the old order of inherited monarchy, state churches, empires and the authority of the few over the fate of the many.

We know this to be true of Jefferson because, as July 4, 1826 approached, he was invited to appear in Washington for a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Age and infirmity prevented Jefferson from attending the event. But he sent a message -- his last political statement -- which read:

“May (July 4) be to the world, what I believe it will be -- to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all -- the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form (of government) which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.”

So, yes, by all means, let us look to the original intent of the founders this July 4. But let us recognize what they actually said and meant about the danger posed by an “aristocracy of corporations” and the danger of allowing CEOs to ride roughshod over the democratic promise of the American experiment.
Calling bs

Blairsville, GA

#23229 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Only those on Right Wing Wacko Planet "know" what Wackos "Know".
We inhabitants of Earth long ago gave up trying to educate Right Wingers wedded to ignorance.
All facts presented were, of course, accurate on Earth.
We cannot promise, however, that what is true on Right Wing Wacko Plane where: the Planet Earth is only 6,000 years old; rape victims secrete super-strong sperm killing enzymes that prevent "legitimate" rape victims from becoming pregnant; and Right Wing Republicans aren't deficit exploding, debt tripling, war criminals who endanger democracy everywhere in the world.
Too bad the truth here on Earth isn't recognized on Right Wing Wacko Planet.
jam away mr progressive liar. Nobody buys what you shovel.
Calling bs

Blairsville, GA

#23230 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Some transgendered kid in a public school has enough trials and tribulations without adding Right Wing "outrage" at his, or her, very existence.
Please... Let's stop searching so hard for things to be "outraged" about.
Here's what we should be "outraged" over -
We are bombing, killing, and assassinating people 1/2 a world away without the faintest idea if they're really a threat to us, or simply having a wedding party, because we have a rule that any group of people including more than 4 males is considered a "terrorist" conclave - then were shocked, shocked that we create more people with reason to hate us.
We are still paying ridiculous prices for oil, in treasure and the lives of our troops, because we're so stupid and manipulated we refuse to require energy conservation, and subsidize use of renewable energy, solar, geothermal, and wind.
We continue to spend Trillions and Trillions on a War Department, more than the rest of the entire world combined, when not a single country on the planet intends to attack us, or could even if they wanted to, while our bridges, schools, roads, airports, utilities and other infrastructure fall apart.
We continue to cling to "for profit" medical care when the rest of the industrialized world recognized long ago that turning money that could be spent for medical care, into salaries and bonuses for insurance executives is beyond stupid, it's damn near criminal. People die to provide hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses to insurance company CEOs
Let's fight to fix those problems.
Let's let the kids alone, especially some poor kid with the added stress of being transgendered, or gay, or handicapped, or poor, or non English speaking.
We do have some common ground. We agree that the insurance industry is rife with corruption and by extension the politicians that make this possible. We disagree on the blood for oil argument and I really do not understand the outlawing of treatment for gender identity disorders. They are disorders, just check out the study that Chris Christie cited when he signed a law preventing therapy.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/gay-lawmaker-to-ch...
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#23231 Aug 24, 2013
Calling bs wrote:
<quoted text>jam away mr progressive liar. Nobody buys what you shovel.
Thanks for agreeing again that all facts presented were accurate, surely, had it been otherwise you would have provided documentation of such.

Also thanks for referring to me as a "Progressive Liar".

In 1938 Germany, the Nazis labelled their opposition "Liberal Liars"

To paraphrase-

- First they came for those they called communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

- Then they came for those they called socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

- Then they came for those they called unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Niemöller created multiple versions
Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church?

"I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out."
How

Blairsville, GA

#23232 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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Please.
As usual a response devoid of facts and analysis, simply personal attacks on the messenger who dares to speak truth to our Right Wing Wacko friends.
Now don't forget to use that tried and true Right Wing Wacko escape mechanism - "Strawmen".
Anyone who believes in the traditional American economic system of regulated capitalism and Social Security and Medicare are "rabid socialists", you know, like Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Bush and Bush the Beloved.
Anyone who believes in traditional American values and wants to stop illegally bombing, invading, occupying, assassinating, wiretapping, eavesdropping, and torturing - is a commie traitor.
Anyone who believes in the traditional American values of personal responsibility and wants to force those deadbeat freeloaders from sucking up limited medical care at the expense of responsible Americans - is a socialist.
There.. We have saved you a lot of time and effort .... no need to thank me.

And here are the facts to rebuke the faker calling himself a loyal American........

During the ratification process at the Constitutional Convention for the newly proposed Constitution, concern was voiced from many areas that there was not a guarantee of Rights. The concern was of such significant degree to have doubts as to the ratification of the proposed Constitution. With ratification in serious doubt, Federalists announced a willingness to take up the matter of a series of amendments, to be called the Bill of Rights, soon after ratification and the First Congress comes into session. The First Congress approved the Bill of Rights after much haggling and arguing.

Thomas Jefferson, who did not attend the Constitutional Convention, in a December 1787 letter to Madison called the omission of a Bill of Rights a major mistake: "A bill of rights is what the people are entitled to against every government on earth."

While originally the Bill of Rights amendments applied only to the federal government, most of their provisions have since been applied to the states by way of the Fourteenth Amendment.

In 1789, James Madison, then an elected member from Virginia of the First Congress's House of Representatives, proposed 19 amendments meant to answer the objections already raised in the states. The Senate consolidated and trimmed these down to 12, which were approved by Congress and sent out to the states by President Washington in October, 1789.

Twelve amendments were proposed by Congress, only the last ten were originally ratified by the states. Of the remaining two, Article 2 was adopted and ratified 203 years later in 1992 as the Twenty-seventh Amendment, and the other one, Article 1, technically remains pending before the states.

Madison, nor Jefferson ever proposed what IO has posted. The information is a hoax and false data put out by libroids.

None of the Articles that were proposed and failed, or that were proposed and passed, comes anywhere near what IO posted.

Typical liberal socialists hogwash.
How

Blairsville, GA

#23233 Aug 24, 2013
Calling bs wrote:
<quoted text>jam away mr progressive liar. Nobody buys what you shovel.

His shovels are full of s**t.
How

Blairsville, GA

#23234 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
A well-articulated explanation of those radical leeeeeeberal revolutionary Founding Fathers:
Thomas Jefferson Feared an Aristocracy of Corporations
John Nichols on July 4, 2010 - 5:50 PM ET
Thomas Jefferson's name gets thrown around quite a bit these days by the Tea Partisans, which is a good thing.
A populist movement of the right or the left that neglected Jefferson, the most radical of the first presidents, would be a sorry affair indeed.
... He was, as well, a relentless critic of the monopolizing of economic power by banks, corporations and those who put their faith in what the third president referred to as "the selfish spirit of commerce (that) knows no country, and feels no passion or principle but that of gain.
Jefferson might not have wanted a lot of government, but he wanted enough government to assert the sovereignty of citizens over corporations. To his view, nothing was more important to the health of the republic.
In the early years of the 19th century, as banks and corporations began to flex their political muscles, he announced that:“I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country."
There are those who would have us believe that the founders intended for corporations to control our elections – and, tragically, five of these Tories sit on the U.S. Supreme Court, where they recently ruled that the nation’s biggest businesses may spend whatever they like to buy the results that best serve their bottom lines.
The better angels among the founders would be aghast.
The framers of the American experiment were imperfect men, to be sure. Few were so radical, or so far ahead of their times, as Tom Paine, the wisest of their number. But like Paine, Jefferson was a proud revolutionary against the old order of inherited monarchy, state churches, empires and the authority of the few over the fate of the many.
We know this to be true of Jefferson because, as July 4, 1826 approached, he was invited to appear in Washington for a celebration of the 50th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Age and infirmity prevented Jefferson from attending the event. But he sent a message -- his last political statement -- which read:
“May (July 4) be to the world, what I believe it will be -- to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all -- the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government. That form (of government) which we have substituted, restores the free right to the unbounded exercise of reason and freedom of opinion. All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.”
So, yes, by all means, let us look to the original intent of the founders this July 4. But let us recognize what they actually said and meant about the danger posed by an “aristocracy of corporations” and the danger of allowing CEOs to ride roughshod over the democratic promise of the American experiment.

A Perverter is a Pervert.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#23235 Aug 24, 2013
How wrote:
<quoted text>
you left out street bum and garbage collector.
But, maybe he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night???
How

Blairsville, GA

#23236 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for agreeing again that all facts presented were accurate, surely, had it been otherwise you would have provided documentation of such.
Also thanks for referring to me as a "Progressive Liar".
In 1938 Germany, the Nazis labelled their opposition "Liberal Liars"
To paraphrase-
- First they came for those they called communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
- Then they came for those they called socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.
- Then they came for those they called unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a unionist.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.
Niemöller created multiple versions
Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church?
"I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out."

Im not surprised by this perverts attempts to tear down the founding fathers. Why I be when the pervert approves, and most likely participates, in adult/child sexual relations.
Hes most likely on the local Sheriffs list of child molesters who must register with local Police authorities.
How

Blairsville, GA

#23237 Aug 24, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
But, maybe he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night???

Most likely in the dempster dumpster, where all the other garbage is thrown.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#23238 Aug 24, 2013
understand wrote:
<quoted text>
You should be dyin of embarrassment, your thoughts and your grammar/spelling reveal that the 6th grade was your higher education. Nothing wrong with that, it just explains you inability to understand.
And the irony of the clueless and uneducated continues...A person who apparently has yet to learn proper English commenting on another poster's grammar and spelling...

"You should be DYING of embarrassment" would be the correct spelling.

"the 6th grade was your HIGHEST education." is likely what the poster was attempting to post. Wonder what the highest level of education this poster earned. Nah, not really.

"it just explains YOUR inability to understand." would be the proper word.

"A place for you and the way you think is being built for you today!! Check it out and please move, maybe then you will start to enjoy what's left of your life. I only what's best of the majority of Americans, including you."

"I only what's best" What? Is the poster, perhaps, missing the word WANT?

Please, please keep posting, the laughs are needed...

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#23239 Aug 24, 2013
How wrote:
<quoted text>
Folks, this is what you get when a certified nutcase is allowed access to a computer. Lies, more Lies, and dam lies, courtesy of a poster ignorant of history and dependent on left wing socialist websites for information, whose sole purpose is to discredit our country, our founding fathers, and our Constitution along with the Bill of Rights.
A history lesson will follow........ in a few other posts.
+1

It's called ad-libbing by the libroids.
How

Blairsville, GA

#23240 Aug 24, 2013
How Libroids and racists fake hate crimes in order to get attention(a desire to be relevant) and atta-boys from obama.


http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...


How

Blairsville, GA

#23241 Aug 24, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
+1
It's called ad-libbing by the libroids.

I call it what it is, just plain lying from ignorance, which libroids have a patent on.



Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#23242 Aug 24, 2013
Calling bs wrote:
<quoted text>We do have some common ground. We agree that the insurance industry is rife with corruption and by extension the politicians that make this possible. We disagree on the blood for oil argument and I really do not understand the outlawing of treatment for gender identity disorders. They are disorders, just check out the study that Chris Christie cited when he signed a law preventing therapy.
http://www.wnd.com/2013/08/gay-lawmaker-to-ch...
Good points, but I don't believe insurance executives are any more corrupt than others, I believe the entire industry is an immoral diversion of limited funds from providing medical care to creating profits for an industry that has no legitimate reason to exist, and by an objective analysis is possibly the stupidity waste of money that can be imagined.

The theory that:
- we'll have voluntary medical insurance,
- which will create of a pool of insured,
obviously consisting of those most likely to be sick,
- and devoid of those least likely to need medical care,
thus destroying any concept of distribution of risk,
administered by an organization that,
- has every motivation to charge the highest premiums possible,
- has every motivation to provide the least medical treatment possible,
- and billions of dollars available to purchase entire governments,

Is too ludicrous to accept.

That's why every other industrialized country on Earth has done away with the use of privatized medical insurance as its primary system.

As to the law in question:

I understand the law actually prohibits what is termed "conversion therapy"',
which, of course, is an oxymoron,
because "therapy" is designed to alleviate an "illness",
and the circumstance designed to be "corrected", is not an "illness".

The predominant belief among child psychologists is that such therapy actually harms the children involved creating psychological problems where none existed before.

So it appears the law bans conduct that is not actually medical "therapy" designed to correct which isn't actually an "lllness."

I disagree with the law, because it is necessary to be consistent.

If, as I believe, the government didn't have the right to intrude into whether Terry Schiavo's husband's should terminate his wife's feeding when she is in a vegetable state; if it shouldn't intrude into whether one of my daughters elects to have an abortion; it shouldn't intrude if some misguided parent wants to try to force his lesbian daughter to be straight.

I don't approve - but we fans of limited government intrusion into people's lives must be consistent, even when we would like to do otherwise.
Informed Opinion

Sarasota, FL

#23243 Aug 24, 2013
How wrote:
<quoted text>I’m not surprised by this perverts attempts to tear down the founding fathers. Why I be when the pervert approves, and most likely participates, in adult/child sexual relations.
He’s most likely on the local Sheriff’s list of “child molesters” who must register with local Police authorities.
Damn that history !

Who was that Thomas Jefferson to write things that prove Right Wing Wackos are .... well .... Wacko.

Who did John Adams and Benjamin Franklin think they were ?

Didn't they know their own words and beliefs would be used someday to make Right Wing Wackos look .... well .... Wacko ?

I know, we Right Wing Wackos honor the memories of Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, the rest of those liberal radical revolutionaries who fought against the conservatives of their day by pretending they agreed with us Wackos.

We'll pretend the minority of Americans who waged a "Revolutionary" War, weren't "Revolutionaries" fighting to destroy the conservatives who wanted to maintain "Traditional" values.

We'll pretend that the "Revolutionaries" didn't threaten, intimidate, beat, kill, burn the homes, and confiscate the property of those conservatives who remained loyal to the then-legitimate government, Britain.

Hey.. They're all dead, and there is a hatred of history, information, and facts on Right Wing Planet, so maybe we can pull it off.

It's great being a Right Wing Wacko - when the truth proves you wrong - just ignore the truth and attack the messenger - after all anyone not a Right Wing Wacko must be a "pervert", and a "child molester".

Yep the Right Wing Brownshirts of 2013 are the clones and kindred souls of the 1938 Nazis. They had to fight this damn liberals, professors, and minorities that threatened their version of a pure "Homeland".
How

Blairsville, GA

#23244 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Damn that history !
Who was that Thomas Jefferson to write things that prove Right Wing Wackos are .... well .... Wacko.
Who did John Adams and Benjamin Franklin think they were ?
Didn't they know their own words and beliefs would be used someday to make Right Wing Wackos look .... well .... Wacko ?
I know, we Right Wing Wackos honor the memories of Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, the rest of those liberal radical revolutionaries who fought against the conservatives of their day by pretending they agreed with us Wackos.
We'll pretend the minority of Americans who waged a "Revolutionary" War, weren't "Revolutionaries" fighting to destroy the conservatives who wanted to maintain "Traditional" values.
We'll pretend that the "Revolutionaries" didn't threaten, intimidate, beat, kill, burn the homes, and confiscate the property of those conservatives who remained loyal to the then-legitimate government, Britain.
Hey.. They're all dead, and there is a hatred of history, information, and facts on Right Wing Planet, so maybe we can pull it off.
It's great being a Right Wing Wacko - when the truth proves you wrong - just ignore the truth and attack the messenger - after all anyone not a Right Wing Wacko must be a "pervert", and a "child molester".
Yep the Right Wing Brownshirts of 2013 are the clones and kindred souls of the 1938 Nazis. They had to fight this damn liberals, professors, and minorities that threatened their version of a pure "Homeland".

you got your azz kicked with truth, tied up with barb wire, and pronounced on a public forum to show everyone the fool you are, and continue to be.
Informed Opinion

Fort Myers, FL

#23245 Aug 24, 2013
How wrote:
<quoted text>you got your azz kicked with truth, tied up with barb wire, and pronounced on a public forum to show everyone the fool you are, and continue to be.
Wow... The reception must be really bad on Right Wing Wacko Planet, or you should demand a refund for that lobotomy you got from that Cuba veterinarian in his garage in Atalanta.

Here on Earth we Normal Folks are amazed you have the ability to be so tenaciously dedicated to appearing foolish, even after having had you ass handed to you over and over again.

But hey... Just project into the screen any ending it makes you happy to see.

We'll stick with reality on our planet.
I agree

Blairsville, GA

#23246 Aug 24, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow... The reception must be really bad on Right Wing Wacko Planet, or you should demand a refund for that lobotomy you got from that Cuba veterinarian in his garage in Atalanta.
Here on Earth we Normal Folks are amazed you have the ability to be so tenaciously dedicated to appearing foolish, even after having had you ass handed to you over and over again.
But hey... Just project into the screen any ending it makes you happy to see.
We'll stick with reality on our planet.

Well mr perverter:
Here is your BS which needs no further explanation, along with a few of your muslim symbols.

... Thomas Jefferson, along with James Madison worked assiduously to have an 11th Amendment included into our nation’s original Bill of Rights.

... The amendment would have made it illegal for corporations to own other corporations, or to give money to politicians, or to otherwise try to influence elections.

Corporations would be chartered by the states for the primary purpose of “serving the public good.—



And here is the truth of the Amendments, all in English symbols.

In 1789, James Madison, then an elected member from Virginia of the First Congress's House of Representatives, proposed 19 amendments meant to answer the objections already raised in the states. The Senate consolidated and trimmed these down to 12, which were approved by Congress and sent out to the states by President Washington in October, 1789.

Twelve amendments were proposed by Congress, only the last ten were originally ratified by the states. Of the remaining two, Article 2 was adopted and ratified 203 years later in 1992 as the Twenty-seventh Amendment, and the other one, Article 1, technically remains pending before the states.

Madison, nor Jefferson ever proposed the BS that IO is trying to pass off History .

Therefore you are a pervert of another nature, in addition to other pervert natures.
How

Blairsville, GA

#23247 Aug 24, 2013
I agree wrote:
<quoted text>
Well mr perverter:
Here is your BS which needs no further explanation, along with a few of your muslim symbols.
... Thomas Jefferson, along with James Madison worked assiduously to have an 11th Amendment included into our nation’s original Bill of Rights.
... The amendment would have made it illegal for corporations to own other corporations, or to give money to politicians, or to otherwise try to influence elections.
Corporations would be chartered by the states for the primary purpose of “serving the public good.—
And here is the truth of the Amendments, all in English symbols.
In 1789, James Madison, then an elected member from Virginia of the First Congress's House of Representatives, proposed 19 amendments meant to answer the objections already raised in the states. The Senate consolidated and trimmed these down to 12, which were approved by Congress and sent out to the states by President Washington in October, 1789.
Twelve amendments were proposed by Congress, only the last ten were originally ratified by the states. Of the remaining two, Article 2 was adopted and ratified 203 years later in 1992 as the Twenty-seventh Amendment, and the other one, Article 1, technically remains pending before the states.
Madison, nor Jefferson ever proposed the BS that IO is trying to pass off History .
Therefore you are a pervert of another nature, in addition to other pervert natures.

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