Teachers targeted?

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"It's difficult not to feel like he's coming after public teachers," said Worthington middle-school teacher Tim Dove, helping Lukas Giron, 13.
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Supprt teachers

Grove City, OH

#1 Mar 20, 2011
I support the teachers, their salaries and their right to run a classroom.

I do not support lower classrooms size (if we are to pay teachers properly since it would break the budget), I do not support masters degrees when not neccessary, and I do not support the lack of discipline in the classrooms.

Somehow all of the negative things happened, and the envelope was pushed over the years contrary to the public and students best interest.

Since the education system did not police themselves, it now has the public's spotlight on them.

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Stuck in the Stone Age

Greenville, GA

#2 Mar 20, 2011
With the current & likely to continue economic conditions, everyone is getting a reality check with no job, trade, or profession off-limits, including teachers, from needed changes. If they don't like it, then go find a job that rewards you better. Otherwise, shut-up and do your jobs, like the professionals you claim and think you are.

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work all year

New Albany, OH

#3 Mar 20, 2011
teachers need to work 12 months like everyone else. If they do that, then I would support the pay. Not all teachers are taking classes in the summer months. I have friends who are teachers and they brag about having summers off and I can't remember the last time they took classes during the summer. Also maybe once in awhile teachers work beyond the normal school day, however, most do not! Either take a cut in pay or work 12 months like EVERYONE else, believe me, no one is feeling bad for the teachers based on the amount of time teachers receive off. I feel bad for all the other public sector workers getting a bad rap mostly due to the teachers and teacher unions.

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forehead1

Columbus, OH

#4 Mar 20, 2011
the average salary is $57k/yr add in another$30k/yr in benefits. i find the figure too large for some teachers. elementary children taught by teachers making 100k/yr seems out of line. how did this happen? unions? school boards? don't know who to blame. it needs to change. hamilton local schools - no levy in 17 yrs should be a model. doubt if they have these high dollar teachers.

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wastherethen

Columbus, OH

#5 Mar 20, 2011
Regardless of how all this works out, the article touches on the worst thing about the current attacks on public employees - the lasting legacy that will deter quality people from considering public service as a career.

Whatever advantage and attraction public service once held are gone, replaced by villification and a dismal future.

And so the public will, down the road, end up with what it evidently wants - a mediocre workerforce who can't get work anywhere else.

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Recall Kasich

Marion, OH

#6 Mar 20, 2011
The problem is that John Kasich's bull-in-a-china-shop approach to virtually everything hinders meaningful reform. These teachers (and most teachers) acknowledge that there are issues that need to be addressed and reform that needs to occur. But imposing a one-size-fits-all model, without including teachers as part of that discussion, will have a huge negative impact on the quality of education in Ohio.

As an example, merit pay has been shown to work for piecemeal, motor-skills type work (e.g., "how many widgets can you make per hour"), but has been shown to be ineffective when applied to professions that are cognitive-based, where self-satisfaction is a motivating factor much more than salary or bonuses. Yet Kasich is pushing for merit pay for teachers. So a teacher in a wealthy suburban district like Bexley or Upper Arlington will be measured on the same basis as a teacher in an urban district like Columbus or an economically depressed district like Mansfield. This one-size-fits-all approach doesn't work.

Why doesn't Kasich sit down with the teachers and ask them for their input as to what reforms would be helpful for the students? Why doesn't Kasich sit down with police officers and fire fighters and ask them what measures can be taken to ensure the safety of these first-responders? Why doesn't Kasich sit down with caregivers to disabled children and ask them what can be done to help control their rising costs, instead of slashing their budget (while paying his own staff the highest salaries in Ohio history)? Because Kasich doesn't know how to collaborate. He is like a spoiled 3-year old who always has to get his own way, and he tries to vilify anyone who disagrees with him (such as calling a police officer who gives him a ticket for breaking the law an "idiot"). King Kasich has got to go!

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Teach

Columbus, OH

#7 Mar 20, 2011
Never in my 20 years of teaching have I been so depressed. I wake up every morning wondering 'what is Governor Kasich and the republic senators/representatives going to take from teachers today.' I have started looking into working in the private sector; I am tired of folks saying I make too much money and am the cause of my local government's deficits.

Who wants a job where kids don't respect you and now the government doesn't either?

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Concerned Parent

Dublin, OH

#8 Mar 20, 2011
Kasich's attacks on teachers are an attack on my kids. I want the best and brightest people teaching my daughters. Between the elimination of collective bargaining rights, the undermining of the retirement system, and the massive shifting of funds away from public schools to failing charter schools and private school vouchers, we're seeing an all-out attack on the teaching profession itself. It's no wonder that Ohio's best teachers agree that Kasich is wrong. In the end, that hurts my girls and all other students. I'm glad teachers are responding forcefully--so should all of us!

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barkley

Saint Clairsville, OH

#9 Mar 20, 2011
Why doesn't Kasich go to an inner-city school and try to teach for at least a week and see how hard a teacher works to get the child to meet state standards set by the state, who doesn't eat while at home, watches their mom get abused, is left at home by themselves, living in poverty, or is sexually abused themselves? These students aren't focused on learning, they are thinking about what they are going to have to face when they get home.

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Reality

Wapakoneta, OH

#10 Mar 20, 2011
Not sure were everyone gets their facts but not all teachers make this kind of pay. My spouse is a teacher with 10 years experience
And makes 36,000 a year and about 11,000 in benefits. That's 47,000 a year and it took a 4 year degree and 10 years to accomplish. We also own our own business and all our employees make more money than my spouse and no one has a degree. I do agree that some of the top paid administration is over paid, but get real people, teachers don't
all get paid a rediculois amount. In the end you get what you pay for and kids and education will suffer. And merit pay will not work for all, when inner city kids with less than caring parents don't do their part it's hard for these kids to excel. Maybe we should make parents more responsible and penilize parents for poor performance of their
Children, maybe then they would be more involved. And for the record many teachers work at home, weekends, and summers outside of the class room. I see a large exodus of good teachers leaving the Ohio area and business will not be far behind.

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Stwor

Columbiana, OH

#11 Mar 20, 2011
Some of the people who made comments above are way off base. In the school I work at, many teachers stay past work hours. On top of that, we are constantly forced to continue education. In fact that is state mandated. I have no problem making sacrifices. I do my job giving 110 percent. It does get tiring to me to hear people that run us into the ground by saying things that are simply not true. Do schools have bad teachers? Absolutely. Those teachers are so far and few. One other thing. I have not gone down to Columbus to rally but see nothing wrong with rallying. We live in a democracy. This is what are country was made on. If laws were being pushed to attack other professions you would see the same backlash. In the end, I wish we could sit down and come up with solutions instead of criticizing eachother. Especially when some of the things being said are false from both sides of the debate

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edumacated

Delaware, OH

#12 Mar 20, 2011
I think this is a great plan, I mean lets cut all the positive things out of being a teacher so no one wants to go in to education. How much are teachers supposed to make people 30k 40k a year? If so you are crazy. 57k a year is a decent wage, but people are ignorant who get on here and complain that these jobs should be aligned with private jobs like some bartender was complaining about in some article, for real? Hi I have a masters degree plus 30 hours and 15 years experience and I make 35 or 40k a year, what a joke. You get what you pay for and if you are going to pay s%$@ you are going to receive s%$@.

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barkley

Saint Clairsville, OH

#13 Mar 20, 2011
I have been a teacher for 11 years and I barely make 45,000. Isn't this around the same dollar amount Kasich gave himself as a raise when he took office?

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theotherside

Youngstown, OH

#14 Mar 20, 2011
Bottom line: Take away collective bargaining from public agencies and remove the check and balance on those agencies. Collective bargaining permits fact finding. Fact finding exposes the truth. The truth protects all parties, including taxpayers. Kasich's "collective bargaining lite" eviscerates this check and balance and the taxpayers will suffer in the form of agency corruption. The republicans keep making comments like "...managers will do the right thing..." and "...trust us...". To quote Ronald Reagan "...trust. But verify..."

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edumacated

Delaware, OH

#15 Mar 20, 2011
Stuck in the Stone Age wrote:
With the current & likely to continue economic conditions, everyone is getting a reality check with no job, trade, or profession off-limits, including teachers, from needed changes. If they don't like it, then go find a job that rewards you better. Otherwise, shut-up and do your jobs, like the professionals you claim and think you are.
The beauty of America is that we have rights so people do not have to shut up. Maybe you would be better suited in a country where totalitarian is instituted...

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buffy

Dublin, OH

#16 Mar 20, 2011
Concerned Parent wrote:
Kasich's attacks on teachers are an attack on my kids. I want the best and brightest people teaching my daughters. Between the elimination of collective bargaining rights, the undermining of the retirement system, and the massive shifting of funds away from public schools to failing charter schools and private school vouchers, we're seeing an all-out attack on the teaching profession itself. It's no wonder that Ohio's best teachers agree that Kasich is wrong. In the end, that hurts my girls and all other students. I'm glad teachers are responding forcefully--so should all of us!
You sound like someone who is living off the taxpayer to me. If you live in Dublin why aren't you bothered by the fact that Dublin schools went Outcomes Based years ago? Are you so ignorant that you do not understand what that indicates? Outcomes Based/Mastery Learning. You are paying through the nose to have your kids dumbed down and trained like animals using Skinnerian operant conditioning. Your attitude tells me you are a victim of brainwashing also.

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Brad

Chillicothe, OH

#17 Mar 20, 2011
What amazes me is that Kasich's enunciated goal of balancing budgets without raising taxes may very well have the opposite effect.
1. lower budgets = fewer workers. Fewer government workers = lower service levels for Ohio's citizens. Will they tolerate these lower service levels?
2. If people are not willing to tolerate lower service levels, we may well see changes at the ballot box. I remember a pop tax ballot issue that changed Ohio's constitution a few years back. Could see something similar soon.
3. I'm interested to see if Ohio's citizens will tolerate the losses that will occur if education budgets continue as they are. I'm not sure supply will keep up with demand for teachers and other public workers if the current situation continues for an extended period of time, say 8-10 years. We will have watched our state dry up and blow away, as though it is the desert sand.
Ohio Mom

Marion, OH

#18 Mar 20, 2011
My daughter is a college student aspiring to become a teacher. She'll be student teaching soon. All of the turmoil and negativity saddens me greatly for her sake. I'm considering hiding the print edition of this morning's paper. She wants to be a teacher for all the right reasons and could have chosen any profession--she was valedictorian of her high school class and scored very high on the ACT. She's one of those "best and brightest" society wants in the classroom but were she not so close to graduating, I'm not sure she'd choose teaching.

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quentin

Dublin, OH

#19 Mar 20, 2011
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/columbus-di...

Dispatch/Topix playing little games again. Have to go to Topix to find the earlier comments made only moments ago, and then wiped out. Now the same story reposted with different comments. Good reason to despise the media.
ETA

Beaver Falls, PA

#20 Mar 20, 2011
Mr. Dove. Here is how the improvements will occur. See if you can follow this logic. There is only so much $$$$. When you make teachers pay for their pensions and benefits the same way the rest of us do you free up resources and apply them to the child. Being college educated I am sure you can follow that logic. I work in the private sector and pay $500 a month with $200 deductibles for my family medical and dental benefits. I have a matching 401K with no company funded pension. Image if all teachers in Ohio had this? How much more money could then be applied to the actual classroom. It is time for public employees to live like the rest of us. We are tired of footing the bill for you cadillac benefits.

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