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Letter to the editor: An invitiation to a Pentecostal event

There are 53 comments on the Public Opinion story from Jan 14, 2009, titled Letter to the editor: An invitiation to a Pentecostal event. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

We, the congregation of Greenwood Assembly of God, would like to invite our neighbors near and far to an "Old Fashioned Pentecostal Campmeeting" service at 6:30 p.m. Sunday.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Public Opinion.

Sir Fatboy

“Who, me?”

Since: Nov 08

Brooklyn,NY

#22 Jan 14, 2009
jtb_hypocrite wrote:
<quoted text>
The above comment was of course a joke.
We knew that. To those that needed the follow up it's not funny anyway.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#23 Jan 14, 2009
Sir Fatboy wrote:
<quoted text>
We knew that. To those that needed the follow up it's not funny anyway.
Sort of in the light of Ray Stevens song "Mississippi Squirrel" where "3 deacons and the pastor got saved".
nogolddustforme

West Chester, PA

#24 Jan 14, 2009
A quick google search of Ruth Ward Heflin (mentioned in the article) takes me to very trusted websites that offer interesting discernment about her. Specifically check out the gold dust stories. Anything connected with her ministry should be avoided. I am so sorry that this is being brought to Franklin county.
Checkitout

Newville, PA

#25 Jan 14, 2009
ReasonsWhy wrote:
Don't forget Ted Swaggert and the following "holier than thou" bible thumpers:
Moral failures of Pentecostal preachers
Individual involved
Moral fault
Allen, A. A.
Divine Healer, Evangelist
Drunkard, died of alcohol abuse
arrested for drunk driving during a Tennessee revival in 1955, the first of many alcohol-related experiences
Bakker, Jim
Televangelist
adultery, lover of money, convicted felon
Coe, Jack
Divine Healer, Evangelist
lover of money
Dowie, John A.
Healer, 1st Restored "Apostle"
lover of money
Gortner, Marjoe
Divine Healer, Child Evangelist
lover of money, admitted fake
Grant, W.V.(junior)
Divine Healer, Evangelist
lover of money, convicted felon for tax fraud, a divorcee
Hagin, Kenneth
Apostle, Prophet, Pastor, Teacher
Kenneth Hagin - a.k.a. "Dad" Hagin, Father of the Word of Faith Movement, Prophet Hagin, Apostle Hagin.
Intellectual property theft: Kenneth Hagin has been proven to be a plagiarist, a plagiarist is someone who steals another person's writings and fails to acknowledge the original author of the work. D. R. McConnell proved beyond any shadow of doubt that Hagin stole much of his theology from E.W. Kenyon, the true Father of the Word of Faith Movement in his most excellent book "A Different Gospel." It seems dad Hagin also stole about 75% of John A. Macmillan's book entitled "The Authority of the Believer" written in 1932. This theft was discovered by Dale Simmons while working on a paper at Oral Roberts University Hagin was confronted about this theft and made few changes in subsequent editions of that book. He has never publicly admitted to stealing anything from Kenyon. It gets stranger! Hagin has also made the claim to have had no less than eight personal face-to-face visits with the Lord Jesus Christ His book "I Believe In Visions" makes this statement on the cover "The fascinating personal story of a man whose life and ministry have been dramatically influenced by visions of Jesus."
Hickey, Marilyn
Faith healer
Word of Faith teacher - shameless use of charismatic trinkets (blessed cornmeal, oils, cloths, seeds, coins, etc.).
Jenkins, Leroy
Televangelist
convicted felon for arson & assault.
Jones, Bob
Prophet
Was one of the main "prophets" of the Kansas City Fellowship (The other being Mike Bickel). Despite being discredited in a sexual misconduct scandal in 1991 (Minister removed after confession of sexual misconduct, Olathe Daily News, 11/31/91), Bob Jones remains a "prophet" within the Vineyard.
Jordan, Bernard
Prophet, Bishop
lover of money
Khulman, Kathryn
Divine healer, Evangelist, Pastor
adultery, divorce
McPhearson, Aimee S.
Pastor, Evangelist

Word of Faith Televangelist: lover of money; 2 divorces, multiple law suits, caught in many lies, utters many false prophecies.
I would bet you have a problem with Jesus Himself, like Him having a meal with tax collectors and sinners, huh? Satan attacks those who choose to follow Christ and many have stumbled and fell but God can and will pick them back up.
Youwackie

Newville, PA

#26 Jan 14, 2009
Former Chambersburg Girl wrote:
just what we need~wackos to get jtb even more revved up. you kmow jtb, they are just a takin your money and puttin it toward fancy houses that you could never afford and prostitutes.
We have enough wackos like you already in the county. How do we get rid of you? There are still funny farms to go to so why don't you go there?
Pastor Ryan

United States

#27 Jan 14, 2009
The minister coming to our church is Dr. Jane Lowder,and the focus of the service is worship to Jesus Christ, preaching of the written Word of God, and demonstration of that Word.
Dr. Jane Lowder is a minister of Jesus Christ coming to minister in His name-not the name of these other ministers.
Our focus will be Jesus Christ and the ministry of His Spirit on the earth today-not the side issues being mentioned in these posts.
AnonyMouse

Bensalem, PA

#28 Jan 14, 2009
Pastor Ryan wrote:
The minister coming to our church is Dr. Jane Lowder,and the focus of the service is worship to Jesus Christ, preaching of the written Word of God, and demonstration of that Word.
Dr. Jane Lowder is a minister of Jesus Christ coming to minister in His name-not the name of these other ministers.
Our focus will be Jesus Christ and the ministry of His Spirit on the earth today-not the side issues being mentioned in these posts.
Pastor Miller - Blessings to you in your Camp Meeting. I'm sure the Lord will do many wonderful things and minister in powerful ways during your meeting.

You are unfairly receiving backlash here as a result of a regular Topix poster from the Pentecostal tradition who has poisoned the atmosphere here. He speaks with arrogance, condemnation, plain meanness, judgment, and vindictiveness, never reflecting the patience and love of Christ. He has needless hurt and offended many people here, creating divisiveness and anger and a certain knee-jerk hostility toward Christianity, particularly Pentacostalism.

I'm sure Dr. Lowder will bring a blessing and a challenge to everyone who attends. I wish you and your congregation the Lord's choicest blessings. Please forgive those who have reacted against your group unfairly.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#29 Jan 14, 2009
AnonyMouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Pastor Miller - Blessings to you in your Camp Meeting. I'm sure the Lord will do many wonderful things and minister in powerful ways during your meeting.
You are unfairly receiving backlash here as a result of a regular Topix poster from the Pentecostal tradition who has poisoned the atmosphere here. He speaks with arrogance, condemnation, plain meanness, judgment, and vindictiveness, never reflecting the patience and love of Christ. He has needless hurt and offended many people here, creating divisiveness and anger and a certain knee-jerk hostility toward Christianity, particularly Pentacostalism.
I'm sure Dr. Lowder will bring a blessing and a challenge to everyone who attends. I wish you and your congregation the Lord's choicest blessings. Please forgive those who have reacted against your group unfairly.
Pastor Ryan,
Those who object to Rev. Lowder are in one of two camps:

1. They are just plain down god-haters (those who hate the light based on John 3:17-20) and want nothing to do with the Lord, the Holy Spirit or with anything pertaining to righteousness, peace and joy.

2. Or they are wary of the workings/manifestations of the Spirit.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#30 Jan 14, 2009
AnonyMouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Pastor Miller - Blessings to you in your Camp Meeting. I'm sure the Lord will do many wonderful things and minister in powerful ways during your meeting.
You are unfairly receiving backlash here as a result of a regular Topix poster from the Pentecostal tradition who has poisoned the atmosphere here. He speaks with arrogance, condemnation, plain meanness, judgment, and vindictiveness, never reflecting the patience and love of Christ. He has needless hurt and offended many people here, creating divisiveness and anger and a certain knee-jerk hostility toward Christianity, particularly Pentacostalism.
I'm sure Dr. Lowder will bring a blessing and a challenge to everyone who attends. I wish you and your congregation the Lord's choicest blessings. Please forgive those who have reacted against your group unfairly.
One of the areas of disagreement between me and Anymouse is the discussion of what one tells a sinner about sin.

I like to use the law as a starter and work into grace.

Anymouse simply says "God loves you" and then says he let's it up to the Holy Spirit to speak to the person. He says Jesus never spoke to the sinner about sin and the NT writers were writing to the church and not the sinner. And as such, we shouldn't speak to the sinner about sin.

So as a note of warning, if there are sinners in the service, in order to keep Anymouse happy and off your back, DO NOT read any scriptures that speak of sin, repentence, hell, damnation, etc.

Do not, and this is a big one, DO NOT sing the song Amazing Grace. You ask "why"? Because of the words that say, "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see".

We wouldn't want the sinner to feel condemned by thinking they are blind and lost. That just wouldn't do.

In fact, if you have sinners in the service it would be best to tell them, "God loves you" and then send them home. That way they won't hear any "sin" talk by accident.

Just trying to help.
SBE

Charlotte, NC

#31 Jan 14, 2009
jtb, I liked you better this morning, when you were overjoyed at the thought of this meeting; you were so happy and pleasant. Now you've reverted to Mr. Hyde. Please bring Dr. Jeckyl back.
SBE

Charlotte, NC

#32 Jan 14, 2009
P.S. - I'm not picking on you. I was happy this morning that you were in a good mood about something, and hoping your day would stay pleasant so that maybe you wouldn't be so mean.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#33 Jan 14, 2009
SBE wrote:
jtb, I liked you better this morning, when you were overjoyed at the thought of this meeting; you were so happy and pleasant. Now you've reverted to Mr. Hyde. Please bring Dr. Jeckyl back.
You'll notice I didn't start until Anymouse did.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#34 Jan 14, 2009
SBE wrote:
P.S.- I'm not picking on you. I was happy this morning that you were in a good mood about something, and hoping your day would stay pleasant so that maybe you wouldn't be so mean.
Mean?

Me?

Surely you jest!

You must have me mixed up with someone else.
anonymous

Chattanooga, TN

#35 Jan 15, 2009
nogolddustforme wrote:
A quick google search of Ruth Ward Heflin (mentioned in the article) takes me to very trusted websites that offer interesting discernment about her. Specifically check out the gold dust stories. Anything connected with her ministry should be avoided. I am so sorry that this is being brought to Franklin county.
This "gold dust ministry" should definitely be avoided. Sorry, Pastor Ryan-I have met you and you are a very nice person, but your "Pentecostal" meeting should be called a "charismatic" meeting-there is a difference-charismatic stuff like gold dust in your teeth is nonsense and must be breaking God's heart!
Proud Army Mom

Harrisburg, PA

#36 Jan 15, 2009
ReasonsWhy wrote:
<quoted text> Bring lots of money, the donation plate will be passed non-stop.
God will give 10 fold to those that give. My family and I are currently surviving on 1 pay check. We struggle to keep the basics. Try to decide between keeping the car or the house. But, when we are able to put gas in the car to attend church we give freely. We live day to day, but we have food, shelter, and I am able to somehow come up with the money to make it to work daily. I am so blessed. If I sit and do the math, there is no way I should be able to have an extra dime. But, somehow, my needs are being met. Thank God!! God does answer prayers of this I am sure.
Pastor Ryan

United States

#37 Jan 15, 2009
Ruth Heflin, whose overall ministry seems to be forgotten (ministering, for years, around the world-and in her later years in many small churches-though huge churches wanted her time) passed away in 2000.

Pastor Jane, in her ministry, places the focus of her ministry on world missions, helping people to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (from a very classical Pentecostal perspective-Church of God, Assemblies of God, Foursquare...), and walking in holinesss before God. You will find her to be full of God, but dignified and gentle. She is a true lady.

I went to a minister's convention over the weekend, and her session was on ministerial integrity-in the areas of money, truthfulness and honesty. It was a no hype, walk honestly before God and the people message.

While I am not opposed to any manifestation that is from God, that is not the focus of our church. Each week our bulletin has our purpose printed in it, "To proclaim Jesus as Savior, Healer, Baptizer in the Holy Spirit and Soon Coming King." Our mission statement is "To Know Christ and to Make Him Known."

Our prayer for this meeting has not been more money, gold dust or gold teeth, but 1. People saved (Pastor Jane has led thousands to the Lord around the world, often in the "hard" places) 2, People filled with the Spirit (We are Pentecostal-like Doesn't make us of the devil or better than anyone else, just what we see in Scripture.)3. People healed of physical conditions and 4. People experiencing a living God.

We will receive a quick, no-hype offering, but, again, she has not asked us to do this, and she is coming 4.5 hours to bless us. She will do as she often does at her own meetings, minister for hours afterwards to those who desire personal prayer and attention.

I am saddened by what this simple invitation has become. It was supposed to be a humble woman of God coming to preach, from the Bible, a real, living Jesus who is alive and calling others to Him today-not gold dust, offerings or the sins or wrongs (real or imagined) of men and women who once lived and are now passed from this earth.

To those who want to experience Christ-centered worship, preaching of the Word, and have needs in your life for which you would like to receive loving prayer ministry, please do come, you will be blessed.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#38 Jan 15, 2009
Don't be too saddened by what the "invitation has become".

It was an opportunity for those who've rejected Christ to reject him once more.

And this last post was an opportunity for Anymouse to see that I'm not the only wacko out there who believes in preaching a gospel message to the sinner.

You see, he says because Jesus never spoke to a sinner about their sin (nevermind the woman at the well) that we shouldn't speak to the unsaved about their sin. To him, we say, "God is love" and we let it at that for the Holy Spirit to convict.

I'm glad your emphasis is on the lost as it appears the church some people go to don't bother.
got the scoop

York Springs, PA

#39 Jan 15, 2009
AnonyMouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Pastor Miller - Blessings to you in your Camp Meeting. I'm sure the Lord will do many wonderful things and minister in powerful ways during your meeting.
You are unfairly receiving backlash here as a result of a regular Topix poster from the Pentecostal tradition who has poisoned the atmosphere here. He speaks with arrogance, condemnation, plain meanness, judgment, and vindictiveness, never reflecting the patience and love of Christ. He has needless hurt and offended many people here, creating divisiveness and anger and a certain knee-jerk hostility toward Christianity, particularly Pentacostalism.
I'm sure Dr. Lowder will bring a blessing and a challenge to everyone who attends. I wish you and your congregation the Lord's choicest blessings. Please forgive those who have reacted against your group unfairly.
WOW! Remember in the wizard of oz when the character said I HAVE A BRAIN ? Well,,,,Anymouse,,,,,,YOU HAVE A HEART & A SOUL !
I want to express that this loving realistic post is a wonderful change from this morning. The church I attend had FIRE every service. I hope that this church doesnt just have it when they invite someone for a special service!
Pastor Ryan

United States

#40 Jan 15, 2009
We are just a group of Christians who love Jesus, and gather, like many churches in Franklin County, to fellowship, worship, hear and study the Word of God (Among the other activities that take place in and through the local church.).

I do not claim to have "the church" in the region. We are just ordinary people who do church imperfectly, but try to live according to our understanding of how God would have us to live through His Word. You can find an "About Us" at:
http://www.greenwoodag.com/AboutUs.dsp (as well as a link to a statement of faith)

We fellowship with other churches, and, in fact, I have taken individuals from the church, loads of people in our church van, or just visited, by myself, other churches in the area multiple times.

To be honest, we are like most churches. Sometimes our services experience great "fire (especially prayer meetings)," and other times it seems (I say seems because, when we have the Holy Spirit within, there is the fire-even if it is just a warmth of His bearing witness that we are children of God)like a fizzle. Most often we just have a real sense of His "Sweet" presence. I like the blazing fire, but often, it is just as nice to bask in the glow time and time again.

So, do we have the fire? Of course, but so does every believer. We carry it-or should! We don't claim fire meetings, we only claim to gather in His name and experience Him-however He chooses to come at that time.

I do find it interesting that people have a lot of opinions, and can say a lot of things on here, but I haven't noticed anyone else who will use a real identity... I wonder what all would be written, at least as quickly, if people had to sign their own names? The only thing I'm offering here is Jesus, and to invite those in the community who desire to fellowship around Him to gather to hear one of His ministers who has carried His name around the world for nearly forty years.

I am blessed to have sat under Pastor Jane's ministry, and I want others to have the same opportunity.
Pastor Ryan

United States

#41 Jan 15, 2009
AnonyMouse, thanks for your kind words and for explaining what was happening here. I wasn't quite getting the jump from Peter Popoff to this situation. If anyone knows our church, they know we are just a small church, and if people know me, I am pretty conservative and work a full-time job besides pastoring. Not trying to get rich or trick anyone. I try to minister with faithfulness to God's Word,and in love, but probably preach pretty poorly sometimes and miss the mark on love at times too. Our congreghation is made up of ordinary people who just love Jesus and who want to join together to do our part to be a blessing to our community (We all have to live here!) We all grow more and more. As I heard one preacher say, "I'm not where I want to be, but I'm further along than I was last year." As believers, all of us have the goal of becoming more like Christ, but we also all ahve days where we would probably like to kick ourselves in the seat of the pants. LOL.

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