Letter to the editor: An invitiation ...

Letter to the editor: An invitiation to a Pentecostal event

There are 53 comments on the Public Opinion story from Jan 14, 2009, titled Letter to the editor: An invitiation to a Pentecostal event. In it, Public Opinion reports that:

We, the congregation of Greenwood Assembly of God, would like to invite our neighbors near and far to an "Old Fashioned Pentecostal Campmeeting" service at 6:30 p.m. Sunday.

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“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

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#1 Jan 14, 2009
WOW! Wish I could be there.

I heard Ruth Heflin and her camp meetings were something else. Must have been wonderful.

It would be great to have some of the "fire" here in Franklin County on a regular basis.

I like Franklin County but overflowing with the "fire" we are not. FC has lots of churches, lots of programs, lots of everything else, church wise. But somewhere the fire has been lost and is down to a mere spark.

Love the "fire". Love being near the "fire". Love hearing stories about the "fire".

As William Booth wrote 100 years ago, "Lord, send the fire".
Minnie

New Castle, DE

#2 Jan 14, 2009
Shades of Aimee Semple McPherson!

“Don't tread on me!”

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#3 Jan 14, 2009
Minnie wrote:
Shades of Aimee Semple McPherson!
I know the revivalists were human beings like the rest of us. And I know they made mistakes just like the rest of us.

But their kind are so lacking in today's church/society we put them on a pedestal.

Moody! What a man.
Wesley! I suspect he wouldn't be appreciated here on Topix.
Suzannah Wesley! She's be criticized for having too many children.

Evan Roberts!
Charles Seymour!

Jeremiah Lanphier who had the idea people would like to pray over the lunch hour in NYC in 1857. Started out with 4-5 other men. Before long, revival broke out, people were saved and healed. Must have been something.

Duncan Campbell on the Isle of Lewis near Scotland. To hear the description of this revival, WOW.

And even though it was widely criticized, the results of the Brownsville revival was unmistakeable. Hundreds of thousands of people getting saved. People on the mission field because they got saved at the Brownsville revival. To read the stories....Awesome.

Anytime man is involved there will be mistakes. But to see the fire.... We need the fire.
Joe

New Castle, DE

#4 Jan 14, 2009
Elmer Gantry!
Sue

New Castle, DE

#5 Jan 14, 2009
Jimmy Swaggert!!

“Don't tread on me!”

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#6 Jan 14, 2009
Sue wrote:
Jimmy Swaggert!!
James 3:1 says "Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly."

Swaggert and Bakker....

What can one say.

I don't know about Swaggert, but Bakker seems to have repented. His book, "I was wrong" shows a humble and contrite heart.

When looking at these two men and the trouble they've caused I think back to King David. He was a murderer, adulterer and a thief.

David was punished severely but God did forgive and he was restored.

Swaggert and Bakker hopefully have been restored.
ReasonsWhy

Manahawkin, NJ

#7 Jan 14, 2009
Don't forget Ted Swaggert and the following "holier than thou" bible thumpers:

Moral failures of Pentecostal preachers
Individual involved
Moral fault

Allen, A. A.

Divine Healer, Evangelist
Drunkard, died of alcohol abuse

arrested for drunk driving during a Tennessee revival in 1955, the first of many alcohol-related experiences

Bakker, Jim

Televangelist
adultery, lover of money, convicted felon

Coe, Jack

Divine Healer, Evangelist
lover of money

Dowie, John A.

Healer, 1st Restored "Apostle"
lover of money

Gortner, Marjoe

Divine Healer, Child Evangelist
lover of money, admitted fake

Grant, W.V.(junior)

Divine Healer, Evangelist
lover of money, convicted felon for tax fraud, a divorcee

Hagin, Kenneth

Apostle, Prophet, Pastor, Teacher
Kenneth Hagin - a.k.a. "Dad" Hagin, Father of the Word of Faith Movement, Prophet Hagin, Apostle Hagin.

Intellectual property theft: Kenneth Hagin has been proven to be a plagiarist, a plagiarist is someone who steals another person's writings and fails to acknowledge the original author of the work. D. R. McConnell proved beyond any shadow of doubt that Hagin stole much of his theology from E.W. Kenyon, the true Father of the Word of Faith Movement in his most excellent book "A Different Gospel." It seems dad Hagin also stole about 75% of John A. Macmillan's book entitled "The Authority of the Believer" written in 1932. This theft was discovered by Dale Simmons while working on a paper at Oral Roberts University Hagin was confronted about this theft and made few changes in subsequent editions of that book. He has never publicly admitted to stealing anything from Kenyon. It gets stranger! Hagin has also made the claim to have had no less than eight personal face-to-face visits with the Lord Jesus Christ His book "I Believe In Visions" makes this statement on the cover "The fascinating personal story of a man whose life and ministry have been dramatically influenced by visions of Jesus."

Hickey, Marilyn

Faith healer
Word of Faith teacher - shameless use of charismatic trinkets (blessed cornmeal, oils, cloths, seeds, coins, etc.).

Jenkins, Leroy
Televangelist
convicted felon for arson & assault.

Jones, Bob

Prophet
Was one of the main "prophets" of the Kansas City Fellowship (The other being Mike Bickel). Despite being discredited in a sexual misconduct scandal in 1991 (Minister removed after confession of sexual misconduct, Olathe Daily News, 11/31/91), Bob Jones remains a "prophet" within the Vineyard.

Jordan, Bernard

Prophet, Bishop
lover of money

Khulman, Kathryn

Divine healer, Evangelist, Pastor
adultery, divorce

McPhearson, Aimee S.

Pastor, Evangelist
She is controversial because she faked her own kidnapping in order to carry on an adulterous affair in 1926. During the outcry against her over this affair she incorporated The International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, which later grew into a large Pentecostal denomination. The Foursquare denomination exists today. Sister Aimee died of a barbiturate overdose in 1944.

Parham, Charles Fox

Teacher
In 1907, Parham was arrested and charged with sodomy in Texas and lost all credibility with the neo-Pentecostal movement he started through his disciple William Seymour! Seymour started the Azusa St Mission. Parham was also a racist.

Popoff, Peter

Divine Healer, Evangelist
lover of money, proven fake:

Must see this article:

God's Frequency is 39.17 Mhz. The Investigation Of Peter Popoff

Swaggart, Jimmy

Televangelist
adultery, hypocrite, opulent lifestyle while crying broke on television

Tilton, Robert

Prophet, Pastor, Teacher
Word of Faith Televangelist: lover of money; 2 divorces, multiple law suits, caught in many lies, utters many false prophecies.
Former Chambersburg Girl

Carlisle, PA

#8 Jan 14, 2009
just what we need~wackos to get jtb even more revved up. you kmow jtb, they are just a takin your money and puttin it toward fancy houses that you could never afford and prostitutes.

Sir Fatboy

“Who, me?”

Since: Nov 08

Brooklyn,NY

#9 Jan 14, 2009
Nobody had the fire like Reverend Leroy of the Church Of What's Happening Now (Flip Wilson).
Former Chambersburg Girl

Carlisle, PA

#10 Jan 14, 2009
ReasonsWhy wrote:
Don't forget Ted Swaggert and the following "holier than thou" bible thumpers:
Moral failures of Pentecostal preachers
Individual involved
Moral fault
Allen, A. A.
Divine Healer, Evangelist
Drunkard, died of alcohol abuse
arrested for drunk driving during a Tennessee revival in 1955, the first of many alcohol-related experiences
Bakker, Jim
Televangelist
adultery, lover of money, convicted felon
Coe, Jack
Divine Healer, Evangelist
lover of money
Dowie, John A.
Healer, 1st Restored "Apostle"
lover of money
Gortner, Marjoe
Divine Healer, Child Evangelist
lover of money, admitted fake
Grant, W.V.(junior)
Divine Healer, Evangelist
lover of money, convicted felon for tax fraud, a divorcee
Hagin, Kenneth
Apostle, Prophet, Pastor, Teacher
Kenneth Hagin - a.k.a. "Dad" Hagin, Father of the Word of Faith Movement, Prophet Hagin, Apostle Hagin.
Intellectual property theft: Kenneth Hagin has been proven to be a plagiarist, a plagiarist is someone who steals another person's writings and fails to acknowledge the original author of the work. D. R. McConnell proved beyond any shadow of doubt that Hagin stole much of his theology from E.W. Kenyon, the true Father of the Word of Faith Movement in his most excellent book "A Different Gospel." It seems dad Hagin also stole about 75% of John A. Macmillan's book entitled "The Authority of the Believer" written in 1932. This theft was discovered by Dale Simmons while working on a paper at Oral Roberts University Hagin was confronted about this theft and made few changes in subsequent editions of that book. He has never publicly admitted to stealing anything from Kenyon. It gets stranger! Hagin has also made the claim to have had no less than eight personal face-to-face visits with the Lord Jesus Christ His book "I Believe In Visions" makes this statement on the cover "The fascinating personal story of a man whose life and ministry have been dramatically influenced by visions of Jesus."
Hickey, Marilyn
Faith healer
Word of Faith teacher - shameless use of charismatic trinkets (blessed cornmeal, oils, cloths, seeds, coins, etc.).
Jenkins, Leroy
Televangelist
convicted felon for arson & assault.
Jones, Bob
Prophet
Was one of the main "prophets" of the Kansas City Fellowship (The other being Mike Bickel). Despite being discredited in a sexual misconduct scandal in 1991 (Minister removed after confession of sexual misconduct, Olathe Daily News, 11/31/91), Bob Jones remains a "prophet" within the Vineyard.
Jordan, Bernard
Prophet, Bishop
lover of money
Khulman, Kathryn
Divine healer, Evangelist, Pastor
adultery, divorce
McPhearson, Aimee S.
Pastor, Evangelist
She is controversial because she faked her own kidnapping in order to carry on an adulterous affair in 1926. During the outcry against her over this affair she incorporated The International Church of the Foursquare Gospel, which later grew into a large Pentecostal denomination. The Foursquare denomination exists today. Sister Aimee died of a barbiturate overdose in 1944.
Parham, Charles Fox
Teacher
In 1907, Parham was arrested and charged with sodomy in Texas and lost all credibility with the neo-Pentecostal movement he started through his disciple William Seymour! Seymour started the Azusa St Mission. Parham was also a racist.
Popoff, Peter
Divine Healer, Evangelist
lover of money, proven fake:
Must see this article:
God's Frequency is 39.17 Mhz. The Investigation Of Peter Popoff
Swaggart, Jimmy
Televangelist
adultery, hypocrite, opulent lifestyle while crying broke on television
Tilton, Robert
Prophet, Pastor, Teacher
Word of Faith Televangelist: lover of money; 2 divorces, multiple law suits, caught in many lies, utters many false prophecies.
wow this is pretty informative...and here I was thinking right wing "biblical" Christians like jtb were without sin from the way they talk.
worldinspector

Lafayette Hill, PA

#11 Jan 14, 2009
With all due respect to the church, how does this blatant commercial qualify as a Letter to the Editor?

“Don't tread on me!”

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#12 Jan 14, 2009
Sir Fatboy wrote:
Nobody had the fire like Reverend Leroy of the Church Of What's Happening Now (Flip Wilson).
I got saved one night watchking Rev. Leroy.

Now he was Fire.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

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#13 Jan 14, 2009
worldinspector wrote:
With all due respect to the church, how does this blatant commercial qualify as a Letter to the Editor?
Well, to be honest...I thought it was an interesting way to get a free ad.

But it could have been put in the religion section on Saturday.
ReasonsWhy

Manahawkin, NJ

#14 Jan 14, 2009
jtb_hypocrite wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, to be honest...I thought it was an interesting way to get a free ad.
But it could have been put in the religion section on Saturday.
Bring lots of money, the donation plate will be passed non-stop.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

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#15 Jan 14, 2009
Gold is purified by melting it. As it melts the dross floats to the top and is skimmed off leaving the pure gold remaining.

The closer a person gets to the “fire of the Holy Spirit” the more the “dross” or “c-rap” of our lives becomes evident. It’s not a pretty sight. Hopefully the result is purification through repentance. The purification fire gets hotter as one rises in fame. Many of these people had the c-rap their lives displayed for the world to see.

Most god-haters will look at this list, which I don’t deny, and use it as an excuse to dismiss Christianity and/or Pentecostal Christianity. And the god-haters will always have something to criticize when it comes to God. So I dismiss them as lost souls needing a saviour.

I look at the list and recognize those who desire to be near the fire should look at their lives and deal with the c-rap or be ready to have the c-rap rise to the top for the world to view.

There are some charlatans on the list, but many were good, god-fearing, servants of God whom God used in a mighty and miraculous way.

The danger is in the falling. A preacher I heard once said,“grow in grace so you don’t groan in disgrace”.

And as I said before, God didn’t reject King David because of his sin. He was punished severely but he still garnered the title,“man after God’s heart

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

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#16 Jan 14, 2009
ReasonsWhy wrote:
<quoted text> Bring lots of money, the donation plate will be passed non-stop.
I don't suspect money was the motivation behind advertising the meeting in the LTE.

Many people don't look at the religion section. So probably the motivation was greater coverage of the meeting.

Sir Fatboy

“Who, me?”

Since: Nov 08

Brooklyn,NY

#17 Jan 14, 2009
The devil made me do it - Rev Leroy
Pastor Ryan

United States

#19 Jan 14, 2009
Wow! The comments.

This event did appear on the Religion Page on Saturday, and I wrote the letter to the Editor because we live in an area where tent meetings and camp meetings were very popular at one time (in fact, our church began under a tent in the 40's). We don't have the tent, but we do have the Director of a ministry known for both winter and summer meetings under an open air tabernacle (which is rare in our day).

I can assure you that Pastor Jane Lowder does not fit into the categories described above. I have known her personally for eight years, and she lives VERY MODESTLY on her camp ministry property. It is a rustic ministry designed to be "bare bones" for those with a call to missions work. Pastor Jane herself has traveled the mountains of Nepal and has ministered in at least 65 nations.

Her camp ministry hosts visitors from all around the nation and, usually, 30-40 countries with FREE room and two FREE meals a day. Only an offering is taken in each service. I visit there at least three times a year, and can personally testify of her love for people and hard work for the Gospel. She is traveling 4.5 hours to minister at our small country church, and did not ask for a penny. We will receive an offering for her, but she did not demand or request one.

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

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#20 Jan 14, 2009
Sir Fatboy wrote:
The devil made me do it - Rev Leroy
That line actually has exposed some flawed theology.

We want to blame the devil for all the sins we don. We blame our addictions, our habits, other people (he made me so mad), our bosses, wives/husbands, etc. etc. etc.

When in reality, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Paul said, "we all make mistakes" (NLT). And while the devil is as a roaring lion seeking out one to devour, if we are "devoured", it is our own fault.

I used the line "the devil made me do it" as a joke. But in the end, "we are led astray by our own evil desires...".

“Don't tread on me!”

Since: Oct 08

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#21 Jan 14, 2009
jtb_hypocrite wrote:
<quoted text>
I got saved one night watchking Rev. Leroy.
Now he was Fire.
The above comment was of course a joke.

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