KDMC layoffs
Retired nurse

Ashland, KY

#104 Jun 1, 2012
Regardless of what anyone says patients will suffer. Staffing will be stretched farther and farther. The chiefs know nothing,nor do they care, of the amount of work needed to care properly for patients, actual care and charting to cover pt care and yes your own hindend. Also to agree wth a former post you must have an order to do any care or treatments on pts otherwise who do you think gets shafted. Sad for our town and our caring people.... Let some of the office help get out and clean rooms and see what is involved in taking care of pts first hand....
ask the doc again

Ashland, KY

#105 Jun 1, 2012
i was THERE dumbazz wrote:
<quoted text>Im not talking about ice!!!! I was the one getting her ice, cleaning her up, adjusting her bed, anything to assist. Im talking about dr ordered medicine, open wound care, etc. While other nurses came in chatting about what was on television, what soaps they preferred, asking for recaps on shows. Don't try to pretend, I WAS THERE!!! And my mother gets mrsa in the process. Even the dr said he didn't know why the nurses needed an "order" to clean a feeding tube incision!! Incompetence all the way. And yes, I am angry - she didn't need to suffer as much as she did at the hands of the staff at KDMC
Why don't you ask the doc if he had bothered to order the proper care or even review the labs. Nurses cannot provide the proper care without a proper order per the kentucky board of nursing. If we do, we are considered to be practicing medicine without a license. Do you think that doc you hold in such high regard would have backed up a nurse doing something without his/her order to do so? No. He would have screamed at the nurse and called her incompetent. Then he would have threatened her job. Take a long hard look at the medical chart, 9 times out of 10 the doc is blaming the nurse for something he/she didn't do or bother to look at. Quit thinking your doc is infallable and realize he/she is the one more than likely responsible for the infection in the first place. Educate yourself on the scope of practice of a nurse before you go blaming them for something that wasn't ordered by the doc to begin with.
tired of the BS

Flatwoods, KY

#107 Jun 1, 2012
who gives a crap, there arn't any good jobs to be had anyhow
Hmmm

Ashland, KY

#108 Jun 1, 2012
I definitely understand your frustration and u see your point. It's something I was unaware of so thank you for educating me. But try to remember most people don't know this. They assume ( even if it is wrong to do so ) that's it's part of the nurses duty. Now that you have cleared that up I'm sure people will have a better understanding of why some things aren't done the way people think they should be. At least as far as the nurses duty goes. I think lack of education pertaining to that type of protocol does lead to nurses and others getting blamed for something they can't control.
ask the doc again wrote:
<quoted text>
Why don't you ask the doc if he had bothered to order the proper care or even review the labs. Nurses cannot provide the proper care without a proper order per the kentucky board of nursing. If we do, we are considered to be practicing medicine without a license. Do you think that doc you hold in such high regard would have backed up a nurse doing something without his/her order to do so? No. He would have screamed at the nurse and called her incompetent. Then he would have threatened her job. Take a long hard look at the medical chart, 9 times out of 10 the doc is blaming the nurse for something he/she didn't do or bother to look at. Quit thinking your doc is infallable and realize he/she is the one more than likely responsible for the infection in the first place. Educate yourself on the scope of practice of a nurse before you go blaming them for something that wasn't ordered by the doc to begin with.
unbelieveable

Buffalo, NY

#109 Jun 2, 2012
Don't tell me Unions have no place in healthcare. The laid off workers in the union have bumping rights n recall rights the non-unionworkers do not. I feel for them as well. This isn't a union issue...its about a corrupt illegal wrongdoing hospital that took it all out on the lil guy the workers thru a layoff to pay for huge fines and mismanagement of finances. Bottom Line!!
WhatWhat

Kansas City, MO

#110 Jun 2, 2012
unbelieveable wrote:
Don't tell me Unions have no place in healthcare. The laid off workers in the union have bumping rights n recall rights the non-unionworkers do not. I feel for them as well. This isn't a union issue...its about a corrupt illegal wrongdoing hospital that took it all out on the lil guy the workers thru a layoff to pay for huge fines and mismanagement of finances. Bottom Line!!
You're right. Let's just close that evil hospital down! There is no reason anybody should have a job if the union man can't. And as for "bumping" and "recall" rights...see how much good those will do you when the hospital shuts down. Sheesh!
excuses kill

Ashland, KY

#111 Jun 2, 2012
The truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Just so you know drs will say anything to keep you from seuing them. In order for a nurse to do almost anything they have to have an order. Even for over the counter meds like Tylenol. We have to have an order to do wound care or it's our license. That's not just our job that's our career. So next time you see this dr ask him why he is a dumbass and didn't write the order for wound care. And if it is so easy for you to say that the wound needed cleaned then why didn't you do it, you had nothing to lose. I'm not saying that you should have had to clean a wound but you need to shift your blame to the dr who didn't order the wound care.
So even tho we pay for all this "quality" care, the nurses don't do a thing that the doctor doesn't put in an order for. No wonder I had to take care of her. Poor doctors, nurses who won't do anything even when they see a wound that is obviously infected. Yeah, I guess I should have taken care of that too like you said. But I wasn't the one being paid to care for her, and I was the one doing it. How was I to know all this stuff, it's not like ANYONE there gave any important information. And I don't care about orders or the politics behind it, I just wanted her to be taken care of, not made to suffer whilst the staff partied around the floor chatting up the visitors. Maybe you guys shouldn't sit idly by waiting for an order and be proactive and ask. YOU are supposed to be the professional medical personnel that are being paid very well to ensure the patients live. Too many times people die because of attitudes like yours
Kyrstaluc

West Hamlin, WV

#112 Jun 2, 2012
ex wrote:
<quoted text>
they are worried about charting so much because they have been fined out the wazoo for such things! It is sad! This is what I've heard! Right before the layoffs our supervisor told us that they were being audited and then BOOM! Heres your walking papers! So I'm guessing it took a toll on the hospital paying out all of the unexpected $$$$$$
I had heard the rumor a few weeks ago about the lay offs. I was in a meeting where some vips were discussing what 'might' happen. So, was because of the audit that was happening the end of last week or the beginning of this one.
Dirty D

Marion, OH

#113 Jun 2, 2012
I have heard that there might be more layoffs, has anyone else heard this?
unbelieveable

Davisburg, MI

#114 Jun 3, 2012
WhatWhat wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right. Let's just close that evil hospital down! There is no reason anybody should have a job if the union man can't. And as for "bumping" and "recall" rights...see how much good those will do you when the hospital shuts down. Sheesh!
trying to make a valid point here...put the facts out there. This isn't a UNION issue....sheesh back at ya! Its a FRED ISSUE!
WhatWhat

Chillicothe, OH

#115 Jun 3, 2012
unbelieveable wrote:
<quoted text>trying to make a valid point here...put the facts out there. This isn't a UNION issue....sheesh back at ya! Its a FRED ISSUE!
Yeah, and my point was that you and the SEIU want to vilify the hospital and personally attack the administration for doing the very thing they are paid to do, make the decisions. You act as if their only job is to provide union employment when their real duty is to make a profit. This is the only concern of a commercial enterprise and let's face it, THE most profitable thing any company could do is as quickly as possible get rid of the unions and their overpaid, elitist, lazy, extortionist membership. I would replace them with people who spend a little more time thinking about patient care and actually keeping their job than who among their "comrades" they can "bump" or who they are in front of to be legally "recalled" to a job they will gripe and moan about.
unbelieveable

Davisburg, MI

#116 Jun 3, 2012
WhatWhat wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and my point was that you and the SEIU want to vilify the hospital and personally attack the administration for doing the very thing they are paid to do, make the decisions. You act as if their only job is to provide union employment when their real duty is to make a profit. This is the only concern of a commercial enterprise and let's face it, THE most profitable thing any company could do is as quickly as possible get rid of the unions and their overpaid, elitist, lazy, extortionist membership. I would replace them with people who spend a little more time thinking about patient care and actually keeping their job than who among their "comrades" they can "bump" or who they are in front of to be legally "recalled" to a job they will gripe and moan about.
Let me tell you something...you puppet on a string to Big Fred or Fred wannabe. My heart broke Thursday when everyone was laid off. Hey you management mentality moron...letting Nurses go with over 30 yrs in now that's loyality on KDMC now isn't it? Yeah I guess you would think they are overly paid...work em for minimum wage so the Profits go into our greedy pockets. Right Big Businessman? All the while on the backs of the workers including Nurses. And guess what...Unions are not going anywhere...you want us gone so bad so the workers has no say no benefits no NOTHING!! All SEIU did was put the facts out there...good business judgement KDMC pour millions into that Portsmouth project...all the while laying off in Ashland. Yep that makes a lot of sense there. And Union workers are not Lazy n are there for their fellow workers that was laid off. Its called Solidarity something cut throat management knows nothing about! Btw...we can bump and be recalled back to our jobs...what's wrong with that!? Most Thank God above for that language. Now go back under your Fred rock till he pulls your string again!!
yep

Davisburg, MI

#117 Jun 3, 2012
WhatWhat wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, and my point was that you and the SEIU want to vilify the hospital and personally attack the administration for doing the very thing they are paid to do, make the decisions. You act as if their only job is to provide union employment when their real duty is to make a profit. This is the only concern of a commercial enterprise and let's face it, THE most profitable thing any company could do is as quickly as possible get rid of the unions and their overpaid, elitist, lazy, extortionist membership. I would replace them with people who spend a little more time thinking about patient care and actually keeping their job than who among their "comrades" they can "bump" or who they are in front of to be legally "recalled" to a job they will gripe and moan about.
I rest my case on why most working people can't stand Mangement...listen to this freakin crap. I'm not Union but I would join one. Working for a loser like you is the reason there is Unions!!!! No Compassion....from a Nurse of 20yrs!!
worried

Whitney, TX

#118 Jun 3, 2012
Did any of the cardiologists get laid off?
Just A Thought

Flatwoods, KY

#119 Jun 3, 2012
Yeah I'm interested in who the doctors are that are gone. I have one at KDMC and I'd like to know if I still do or not
JustMe

Seychelles

#120 Jun 3, 2012
worried wrote:
Did any of the cardiologists get laid off?
Dr. Jignesh Shah left a couple months ago (by his choice or not), and I heard that Dr. Ed Ha's contract was not renewed, so he'll be gone by August.

I also heard (for what it's worth) that several anesthesiologists (not CRNAs) were cut even before the official layoffs, and that a female pediatrician (can't remember her name) was cut.

I also heard that the contract for Dr. Guggenheim (neurologist)was not renewed, and that Drs. Kimm (neurologist) and Choutka (neurosurgeon) chose to not renew their contract. I'

KDMC has JCAHO coming to visit next Friday for stroke certification renewal. This should be realllll interesting since Brooke Horsley (Stroke Nurse Navigator/Program Coordinator) and the manager of the Neuro floor on KDMC (Larri D. Terrell, formerly manager of the float pool) have been cut. The manager of Respiratory Stepdown is now covering both that floor and Neuro (from what I hear).

This now happens only 1-2 years after KDMC was so proud to achieve stroke center certification. Yeah Team!!!!

Waaay bay in 2010, we read:
http://www.kdmc.com/news/release.aspx...

"We’re very proud to achieve the Certificate of Distinction as an advanced primary stroke center," said Fred Jackson, KDMC president and CEO.'Our program received the Joint Commission disease specific certification without a single requirement or recommendation for improvement, which means we not only met, but exceeded, national standards.'"

In other words (translating from Fred-speak to English), "now that we've achieved neato-keen-spiffylicious stroke certification, we can cut the useless scum overpaid slacker RNs and MDs that helped us achieve the certification in the first place. JHACO is a bunch of ignorant people - we can snow them easily - they won't notice. So sorry if there's not a neurologist available to direct treatment when you're having a stroke...or a cat scan technician, for that matter...or a stroke nurse navigator to make sure the whole thing flows nicely...or a knowledgeable neuro floor manager. You'll do JUST FINE moving one side of your body for the rest of your life. It's all good! Trust me...VOTE FOR FRED!"

Yup...we're Taking Medicine Further......one pink slip at a time.

Remember, though, "without exception, patient care areas remain staffed appropriately". I guess "appropriately" means what you want it to mean.
yep

Davisburg, MI

#121 Jun 3, 2012
JustMe wrote:
<quoted text>
Dr. Jignesh Shah left a couple months ago (by his choice or not), and I heard that Dr. Ed Ha's contract was not renewed, so he'll be gone by August.
I also heard (for what it's worth) that several anesthesiologists (not CRNAs) were cut even before the official layoffs, and that a female pediatrician (can't remember her name) was cut.
I also heard that the contract for Dr. Guggenheim (neurologist)was not renewed, and that Drs. Kimm (neurologist) and Choutka (neurosurgeon) chose to not renew their contract. I'
KDMC has JCAHO coming to visit next Friday for stroke certification renewal. This should be realllll interesting since Brooke Horsley (Stroke Nurse Navigator/Program Coordinator) and the manager of the Neuro floor on KDMC (Larri D. Terrell, formerly manager of the float pool) have been cut. The manager of Respiratory Stepdown is now covering both that floor and Neuro (from what I hear).
This now happens only 1-2 years after KDMC was so proud to achieve stroke center certification. Yeah Team!!!!
Waaay bay in 2010, we read:
http://www.kdmc.com/news/release.aspx...
"We’re very proud to achieve the Certificate of Distinction as an advanced primary stroke center," said Fred Jackson, KDMC president and CEO.'Our program received the Joint Commission disease specific certification without a single requirement or recommendation for improvement, which means we not only met, but exceeded, national standards.'"
In other words (translating from Fred-speak to English), "now that we've achieved neato-keen-spiffylicious stroke certification, we can cut the useless scum overpaid slacker RNs and MDs that helped us achieve the certification in the first place. JHACO is a bunch of ignorant people - we can snow them easily - they won't notice. So sorry if there's not a neurologist available to direct treatment when you're having a stroke...or a cat scan technician, for that matter...or a stroke nurse navigator to make sure the whole thing flows nicely...or a knowledgeable neuro floor manager. You'll do JUST FINE moving one side of your body for the rest of your life. It's all good! Trust me...VOTE FOR FRED!"
Yup...we're Taking Medicine Further......one pink slip at a time.
Remember, though, "without exception, patient care areas remain staffed appropriately". I guess "appropriately" means what you want it to mean.
You said it all right there....
Wrong

Whitesville, NY

#122 Jun 3, 2012
There hasn't been a real union in this Country since the 70's!
unbelieveable

Davisburg, MI

#123 Jun 4, 2012
Wrong wrote:
There hasn't been a real union in this Country since the 70's!
This isn't a Union issue its a Corrupt Hosiptal takin it out on the workers...I will stick with this Union over No Union when it comes to Ole Kdmc anyday!!
UnionRep

Ardsley, NY

#125 Jun 4, 2012
That's bs. It doesn't take bloodshed to get a fair negotiation. I would hope everyone on both sides learned from the Harlan Co wars and others. And this isn't about union vs non union. It's about a non profit organization trying to turn a hospital into a metropolis. And getting caught doing procedures that weren't necessary. And the ones that have lost their incomes are the ones paying the price. Union or non union our NEIGHBORS need our support. The " what ifs " are over for a lot of people. They've begun the " what now " phase. Unless the union had some type of language in their contract that was violated there's not much they can do to fix what's been done. Hopefully they will learn what language needs to be added/deleted/changed to keep this from happening to it's members again. But right now union and non union workers are without a job and they need to be able to lean on each other. I wish the best to everyone who lost their jobs.
Wrong wrote:
There hasn't been a real union in this Country since the 70's!

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