Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan Don't give ...

Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan Don't give a Sh*t about you

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snoop lion

United States

#1 Aug 12, 2012
When they keep repeating that they're not gonna spend money they don't have, they're talking about programs that help people, people that are already struggling. They're saying your on your own, we ain't helping. Many of these programs have contacting Romney to invite him to see how cutting all these social programs is going to affect people and he didn't responed, pretty much a go fuck yourself. IF you rely on any kind of help from the gov. you might want to take into account that if u help elect this billionaire Turd.
truth

Ashland, KY

#2 Aug 12, 2012
Sorry snoop, you'll need to get a job now. Free ride is about to be over!
Shop talk

Ashland, KY

#3 Aug 13, 2012
And Obama does?? Bahahahhaha!!! I think Obama is the one taking from Medicare and putting in Obama care..shhhhh, he doesn't want you to know that so he can blame bush, republicans, romney, Ryan or anyone besides his self for his drastic failures!! This is what throws me, something has to be done with social security and Medicaid or it definitely won't be there but the libs won't see that and they have to know it is going bankrupt, my only guess is they truely don't care as long as they get theirs and who cares who gets screwed in the future! Am I right ;$
Orville J

Sharpsburg, KY

#4 Aug 13, 2012
Shop talk wrote:
And Obama does?? Bahahahhaha!!! I think Obama is the one taking from Medicare and putting in Obama care..shhhhh, he doesn't want you to know that so he can blame bush, republicans, romney, Ryan or anyone besides his self for his drastic failures!! This is what throws me, something has to be done with social security and Medicaid or it definitely won't be there but the libs won't see that and they have to know it is going bankrupt, my only guess is they truely don't care as long as they get theirs and who cares who gets screwed in the future! Am I right ;$
No, you're not right. Medicare is expanded to include more people. You know, people who work at, say, a restaurant and make some money but have no insurance. They can afford to pay something. So to appease the greedy insurance lobby, Medicare is expanded to pick up what the worker cannot pay.

SS and Medicaid are in trouble for a lack of funding due to low, suppressed wages just as much as any other reason. Taxes are a precentage of income and if you begin with a low annual income, there will not be as much revenue. Add to that more recipients and it's not hard to imagine this being true. Simple math.

As for Ryan's plan to do vouchers and let people choose their own course with respect to healthcare, it will still be government money spent. The difference will be that an unsophisticated consumer will deal with the insurance companies and healthcare providers (not to mention their fees, which are sure to apply).

Fickle voters will go back to the GOP for the feeling that they are "true Americans," non-reliant on government. The irony is that people like Romney got to where they are, in part, due to the way they lean on government. Don't ever think that the rich don't look to government just as much as the poor. The difference is that poor look for food and medical while the rich look for loopholes and a way to game the system in order to ratchet up profits, regardless the impact this type of behavior has on the majority in society.

Alas, there's the thickest irony of all. GOP would return us to values and morals, too. Well, they ought too. Their reckless fiscal policy for the last five decades has contributed to the decline in morals and values.

I echo the sentiments of the OP.
donkey

United States

#5 Aug 13, 2012
well said Orville. Replublicans are just out to hurt the poor and middle class while trying to get more money for their rich buddies. Shop talk , your an idiot. Been listening to that pill head Rush Limbaugh too long.
WhatWhat

Ashland, KY

#6 Aug 13, 2012
Orville J wrote:
<quoted text>No, you're not right. Medicare is expanded to include more people. You know, people who work at, say, a restaurant and make some money but have no insurance. They can afford to pay something. So to appease the greedy insurance lobby, Medicare is expanded to pick up what the worker cannot pay.

SS and Medicaid are in trouble for a lack of funding due to low, suppressed wages just as much as any other reason. Taxes are a precentage of income and if you begin with a low annual income, there will not be as much revenue. Add to that more recipients and it's not hard to imagine this being true. Simple math.

As for Ryan's plan to do vouchers and let people choose their own course with respect to healthcare, it will still be government money spent. The difference will be that an unsophisticated consumer will deal with the insurance companies and healthcare providers (not to mention their fees, which are sure to apply).

Fickle voters will go back to the GOP for the feeling that they are "true Americans," non-reliant on government. The irony is that people like Romney got to where they are, in part, due to the way they lean on government. Don't ever think that the rich don't look to government just as much as the poor. The difference is that poor look for food and medical while the rich look for loopholes and a way to game the system in order to ratchet up profits, regardless the impact this type of behavior has on the majority in society.

Alas, there's the thickest irony of all. GOP would return us to values and morals, too. Well, they ought too. Their reckless fiscal policy for the last five decades has contributed to the decline in morals and values.

I echo the sentiments of the OP.
No, your wrong Orville. Obamacare merely requires citizens to buy health insurance OR be on the government plan. So if you are a low wage earner then you will now be required to fork over a portion of your limited wage as either a premium or as an IRS penalty.

Nothing free.

What's more, the standard of care will not even meet the sterling level of Medicaid and Medicare. For those of you who've had the pleasure of utilizing those systems. If you currently have private insurance your employer will find it irresistible to just pay the fee, and dump you onto the govt system. No more HR people and no more state level interference. And if you have an issue, you will deal with the same sympathetic call center that handles your claims now except they will work for the government. Do you think that will be better or worse? Another poster called it "all of the efficiency of the DMV with the compassion of the IRS"!

So we can all just cue up with our Medical cards, I guess.
Or maybe not, if I vote GOP. ;)
Orville J

Sharpsburg, KY

#7 Aug 14, 2012
WhatWhat wrote:
<quoted text>
No, your wrong Orville. Obamacare merely requires citizens to buy health insurance OR be on the government plan. So if you are a low wage earner then you will now be required to fork over a portion of your limited wage as either a premium or as an IRS penalty.
Nothing free.
What's more, the standard of care will not even meet the sterling level of Medicaid and Medicare. For those of you who've had the pleasure of utilizing those systems. If you currently have private insurance your employer will find it irresistible to just pay the fee, and dump you onto the govt system. No more HR people and no more state level interference. And if you have an issue, you will deal with the same sympathetic call center that handles your claims now except they will work for the government. Do you think that will be better or worse? Another poster called it "all of the efficiency of the DMV with the compassion of the IRS"!
So we can all just cue up with our Medical cards, I guess.
Or maybe not, if I vote GOP. ;)
I never claimed it was free. As you said, "fork over a portion." The remainder is paid out of Medicaid, thus the expansion.

The call centers will not be government employees. The providers will not become government-owned. Is that what you mean?

Also, just claiming that the standard of care will be less than current standard is baseless. How do you figure? Don't point to Europe or Canada. Remember that we are Awesome America!
Jeff

Waynesboro, VA

#8 Aug 14, 2012
Guess what? I don't give a f*ck about you either.
The Rock

Richmond, KY

#9 Aug 14, 2012
Everyone vote and let's get Obama out of the white house before he destoys this country for good!! The only reason why he got elected is so a black person can have a chance to make a great change and that hasn't happened. Go Romney and Ryan!!!!!!
Orville J
#10 Aug 16, 2012
Orville J wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you're not right. Medicare is expanded to include more people. You know, people who work at, say, a restaurant and make some money but have no insurance. They can afford to pay something. So to appease the greedy insurance lobby, Medicare is expanded to pick up what the worker cannot pay.
SS and Medicaid are in trouble for a lack of funding due to low, suppressed wages just as much as any other reason. Taxes are a precentage of income and if you begin with a low annual income, there will not be as much revenue. Add to that more recipients and it's not hard to imagine this being true. Simple math.
As for Ryan's plan to do vouchers and let people choose their own course with respect to healthcare, it will still be government money spent. The difference will be that an unsophisticated consumer will deal with the insurance companies and healthcare providers (not to mention their fees, which are sure to apply).
Fickle voters will go back to the GOP for the feeling that they are "true Americans," non-reliant on government. The irony is that people like Romney got to where they are, in part, due to the way they lean on government. Don't ever think that the rich don't look to government just as much as the poor. The difference is that poor look for food and medical while the rich look for loopholes and a way to game the system in order to ratchet up profits, regardless the impact this type of behavior has on the majority in society.
Alas, there's the thickest irony of all. GOP would return us to values and morals, too. Well, they ought too. Their reckless fiscal policy for the last five decades has contributed to the decline in morals and values.
I echo the sentiments of the OP.
Should have said Medicaid expanded, not Medicare. Can you imagine what cutting education funding would do if I'm only this smart?
Orville J
#11 Aug 16, 2012
The Rock wrote:
Everyone vote and let's get Obama out of the white house before he destoys this country for good!! The only reason why he got elected is so a black person can have a chance to make a great change and that hasn't happened. Go Romney and Ryan!!!!!!
Obama is not for business run amuck, which is, arguably, what has caused the disintegration of the middle class and America's decline.

By the way, an abundance of exclamation points doesn't a good point make.

He was not elected because of the color of his skin. That may have helped win the nomination, but he was elected because he was a Democrat and the GOP was without a prayer after Bush's two terms of unrivaled awfulness. You could have defeated the GOP nominee with your minimal knowledge (or more likely been their nominee).
truth

Ashland, KY

#12 Aug 17, 2012
Will take my chances for anything but Olblamo and Biteme.
bubba

Russell, KY

#13 Aug 17, 2012
All Obama and his willing little minions care about is getting as much control over the people of this country as they can. I don't care if Mitt and Paul care about me as long as they do their job and get this country back on track and turned away from the scourge of Socialism. If they do their job, I'll take care of myself and my family and Mitt can have all the yachts and tax shelters that he wants.
bubba

Russell, KY

#14 Aug 17, 2012
Orville J wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is not for business run amuck, which is, arguably, what has caused the disintegration of the middle class and America's decline.
By the way, an abundance of exclamation points doesn't a good point make.
He was not elected because of the color of his skin. That may have helped win the nomination, but he was elected because he was a Democrat and the GOP was without a prayer after Bush's two terms of unrivaled awfulness. You could have defeated the GOP nominee with your minimal knowledge (or more likely been their nominee).
News flash.....Obama's "awfulness" has far surpassed Bush's and has made Billy Carter's years look like the good ole days.
bubba

Russell, KY

#15 Aug 17, 2012
Oh yeah.........Billy was the drunk and Jimmy was the President. I don't think Billy would have done any worse....
Jeff

United States

#16 Aug 17, 2012
they are all part of the NWO or wish to eliminate 80% of the worlds pop.

they are all puppets owned by foreign bamkers who want our country 3rd world.
Orville J

Nicholasville, KY

#17 Aug 18, 2012
bubba wrote:
<quoted text>
News flash.....Obama's "awfulness" has far surpassed Bush's and has made Billy Carter's years look like the good ole days.
What is so awful about Obama? Spending? That tune is worn out.

The GOP have made spending an issue not because they truly are fiscal conservatives (if that was the case, the plundering of the Clinton surplus and the spending on top of that would not have happened) but because they lost power and saw it as a means to try to limit what the Democrats would do. Add to that the GOP's roadblocking efforts in the Senate, and you have the minimally effective government we see today.

By the way, I only mentioned the Bush awfulness in connection with the point that the Dems couldn't lose the 2008 Presidential election, not to run down the GOP. It seems that their very actions (and inactions) are more than enough to draw into question their loyalties and whether they are true conservatives.
Orville J

Nicholasville, KY

#18 Aug 18, 2012
bubba wrote:
All Obama and his willing little minions care about is getting as much control over the people of this country as they can. I don't care if Mitt and Paul care about me as long as they do their job and get this country back on track and turned away from the scourge of Socialism. If they do their job, I'll take care of myself and my family and Mitt can have all the yachts and tax shelters that he wants.
When you write "do their job," do you mean create an environment wherein business may succeed? If so, you should be fair and mention that the president has attempted to do the same. However, a difference between Obama and Romney is that Obama will actually seek to enforce decades-old environmental law and not allow business to do whatever, at any enviromental or social cost.

It is amazing that so many people who stand to benefit so little from this facilitation of business are so eager to see its implementation. Ironically, the social issues about which they all truly care would be better addressed if the fiscal policy in this country was more balanced and paid more consideration to the working class.
Whatup

Lexington, KY

#19 Aug 18, 2012
snoop lion wrote:
When they keep repeating that they're not gonna spend money they don't have, they're talking about programs that help people, people that are already struggling. They're saying your on your own, we ain't helping. Many of these programs have contacting Romney to invite him to see how cutting all these social programs is going to affect people and he didn't responed, pretty much a go fuck yourself. IF you rely on any kind of helpfrom

the gov. you might want to take into account that

if u help elect this billionaire Turd.
Unfortunately, the majority of people in this area that take advantage of programs like welfare and disability do so by scamming the system for what boils down to one reason, they don't want to work. You may think Welfare helps people, for a working single mom it may, in the short-term, but when people are assisted to the point that they get paid to sit on a couch all day, they usually do just that, sit on a couch all day smoking they're government bought cigarettes and eating junk food they bought on food stamps. Romney and Paul are realist , they don't pity the lazy, or what you would call needy. Good Day.
Mad Tom

United States

#20 Sep 1, 2012
Orville J wrote:
<quoted text>I never claimed it was free. As you said, "fork over a portion." The remainder is paid out of Medicaid, thus the expansion.

The call centers will not be government employees. The providers will not become government-owned. Is that what you mean?

Also, just claiming that the standard of care will be less than current standard is baseless. How do you figure? Don't point to Europe or Canada. Remember that we are Awesome America!
So a bankrupt government is going to magically obtain enough money to provide the needed care and support through PRIVATE means of healthcare for all?
No, comrade. Won't work. Without profit private insurers will eventually go into other businesses where they can make money. The government promises will have to be served by the government.

And why not point to Europe and Canada? You continue to use the argument that we are the "only ones" that don't offer our citizens healthcare so we should look at all of the examples you cite.

You can move other people's money around all you want friend but you cannot increase the demand, reduce supply AND not spend more money. You healthcare "rainmakers" promise us everything but like Europe and Canada, you will deliver only
Restricted access,
Lower service,
Death panels and
Denied care.

And just like England, the wealthy will still have access to care we commoners can't get!!

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