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been here a long time

Flatwoods, KY

#875 Aug 26, 2010
Yep wrote:
Don't leave out piss poor management... <quoted text>
You got that right for sure!!
truth sayer

Wagoner, OK

#876 Aug 26, 2010
kdmc is in big trouble for medicare fraud! the fbi is looking into it so thats why u are all getting laid off 100 million in taxpayers money!!!
chesapeake dad

United States

#877 Aug 26, 2010
uninsteward is the union that wants to suggest that 4000 plus join willing to not take dues for the next 5 years after all if the hospital has to tighten its belt so should the union
Unionsteward

Flatwoods, KY

#878 Aug 26, 2010
Look around Ashland. Does it look to you like KDMC has tightened thier belt? Do you even understand what union dues go to? Do you know how the grievance procedure works? Do you know what an arbitrator is? Who do you think pays them when they are needed? Who pays for the union attorneys when needed? For the benifit of having a union that's 4000+ members strong, 1 or 1 1-2 % of a check is a very small price to pay. If you think that $1.50 per ever $100 you make is breaking you, then you need a union more than ever to get better wages. If you want to make an arguement, please do better than this. You make it sound as if the union dues are $100 a week.
chesapeake dad wrote:
uninsteward is the union that wants to suggest that 4000 plus join willing to not take dues for the next 5 years after all if the hospital has to tighten its belt so should the union
Unionsteward

Flatwoods, KY

#879 Aug 26, 2010
KDMC doesn't owe anyone a job, you are correct. But don't you think that they have at least a moral obligation to thier employees to treat them decent and fair? Laying off a 20 year employee with no reason and keeping a bunch of people that weren't even born when that person hired in. Do you honestly believe that you would be making what you are making now if it wasn't for union? If companies weren't so scared of unions they wouldn't have competitive wages to try to keep employees from organizing. No company like KDMC wants thier employees to stand TOGETHER against them when they are wronged. Without a union, the companies solution is simple, fire the employee making noise. But if it's a union employee, they are FORCED to listen. And if they still disagree, it goes to arbitration. And whether the company likes it or not, the arbitrators decision stands. Let me ask you this, as a non union employee, if you walked in tomorrow and KDMC says to you " sorry, times are tight, we are cutting your pay by $5 an hour. Not everyones pay, just yours" what recorse do YOU have? You going to simply walk into Fred Jackson's office, have a nice little talk, and expect him to see the unfairness of the situation? We both know better.
SEIU Facts wrote:
I will tell you what... I will reveal who i am just as soon as you reveal who you are. And, if you are so confident as to who i am, what even makes you think i am a "she". LOL...I have yet to see you or anyone else dispute any "facts" concerning the SEIU that I have posted. feel free to look them up and dispute them. And I agree with the other person, you truly are an angry individual...so much hatred....with an attitude like KDMC owes you a job....
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Unionsteward

Flatwoods, KY

#880 Aug 26, 2010
I completely understand your point, but it's also typical for companies to play the games like trying to take away benifits, raising insurance , etc to force them on the table when negotiations are getting close. Again I'm not saying the layoff is 100% due to trying to bust the union, but you can't bet the games that ensued are. As far as them " losing money ", I would love to see the money spent on construction and property aquisition vs what money they claim to have lost. A companies idea of " losing money " and the laymans term are two different things. All companies do " forecasting". And with the money spent in just the past few years I would say that thier forecast looked pretty good with the millions of dollars they have spent and expanding, parking and KDMT. Just to name a few. Sure I can see that maybe they aren't making what they have made in recent years, but to think they are " losing money " the way they claim is hard to believe. Companies have played these games for years
Just thinking wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not for or against the union. HOWEVER, the only problem I have is some union people seem to believe that this is all about breaking up the union. Did you read the above post about KD losing 1.4 million dollars last month alone. KD most likely has been losing money for the last several months given the layoffs and discontinuation of several reimbursement programs and decreasing benefits. Like I said, this goes far beyond the union and until union officials figure that out nothing will get better.
employee

Ashland, KY

#881 Aug 26, 2010
Thank you Unionsteward!You present some very well thought out points!
Duh

Russell, KY

#882 Aug 26, 2010
Non-profit organizations must spend a certain percentage of what they make.
Hmmm

Flatwoods, KY

#883 Aug 26, 2010
And what is that certain %? how much have they spent? What on? How much of thier " loses " are wrote off on taxes? Alot more to it than that.
Duh wrote:
Non-profit organizations must spend a certain percentage of what they make.
been there a long time

Flatwoods, KY

#884 Aug 26, 2010
Unionsteward wrote:
KDMC doesn't owe anyone a job, you are correct. But don't you think that they have at least a moral obligation to thier employees to treat them decent and fair? Laying off a 20 year employee with no reason and keeping a bunch of people that weren't even born when that person hired in. Do you honestly believe that you would be making what you are making now if it wasn't for union? If companies weren't so scared of unions they wouldn't have competitive wages to try to keep employees from organizing. No company like KDMC wants thier employees to stand TOGETHER against them when they are wronged. Without a union, the companies solution is simple, fire the employee making noise. But if it's a union employee, they are FORCED to listen. And if they still disagree, it goes to arbitration. And whether the company likes it or not, the arbitrators decision stands. Let me ask you this, as a non union employee, if you walked in tomorrow and KDMC says to you " sorry, times are tight, we are cutting your pay by $5 an hour. Not everyones pay, just yours" what recorse do YOU have? You going to simply walk into Fred Jackson's office, have a nice little talk, and expect him to see the unfairness of the situation? We both know better. <quoted text>
Very well put Unionsteward, very well said. They just dont get it and I dont think they want to get it. If only they would see who did this to them and see how strong we could be together as one.
been there a long time

Flatwoods, KY

#885 Aug 26, 2010
Unionsteward wrote:
I completely understand your point, but it's also typical for companies to play the games like trying to take away benifits, raising insurance , etc to force them on the table when negotiations are getting close. Again I'm not saying the layoff is 100% due to trying to bust the union, but you can't bet the games that ensued are. As far as them " losing money ", I would love to see the money spent on construction and property aquisition vs what money they claim to have lost. A companies idea of " losing money " and the laymans term are two different things. All companies do " forecasting". And with the money spent in just the past few years I would say that thier forecast looked pretty good with the millions of dollars they have spent and expanding, parking and KDMT. Just to name a few. Sure I can see that maybe they aren't making what they have made in recent years, but to think they are " losing money " the way they claim is hard to believe. Companies have played these games for years<quoted text>
Someone that knows exactly what they are talking about, very well said again!!
Pissed Off

Hurricane, WV

#886 Aug 26, 2010
What are you going to do when the donation cards for United Way come around?

I no longer intend to make any donations or volunteer a single second that could make KDMC look good. I will adopt my own family this Christmas. I will donate to my own charities.

I will no longer contribute to the farce that makes KDMC appear as if they give a shit about the community, the employees or the patients and their families.

I am boycotting the cafeteria. That place is a joke right now anyway.

What will you do?
Janice

Ashland, KY

#887 Aug 26, 2010
Is this all you can do and talk about? If so ..sad. If not, do something - stop whining. You have a resource.
Janice

Ashland, KY

#888 Aug 26, 2010
THERE IS SOME WHERE ELSE OTHER THAN EASTERN KENTUCKY (KDMC). Move on and forget this nightmare!!!!!
Just thinking

Greenup, KY

#889 Aug 26, 2010
So what happens when your largest payer(Medicare/Medicaid) wants their money back because of a whistleblower lawsuit (Don Fraley case discussed earlier)? The federal government does not like to wait for their money and since they pay out electronically they want their money back ASAP. If they don't get it fast they start penalty fees on top of the money you owe just like the IRS. So guess what happens to your projected budget? Out the window.
Janice

Ashland, KY

#890 Aug 26, 2010
Just thinking wrote:
So what happens when your largest payer(Medicare/Medicaid) wants their money back because of a whistleblower lawsuit (Don Fraley case discussed earlier)? The federal government does not like to wait for their money and since they pay out electronically they want their money back ASAP. If they don't get it fast they start penalty fees on top of the money you owe just like the IRS. So guess what happens to your projected budget? Out the window.
Sorry, I guess I have been focusing on the other crap on this web site. I am sorry - I can't answer this because I have not followed all of the responses. Just know I am for the patient (client) or whatever they are called at KDMC. What can we do?
empathize

Greenup, KY

#891 Aug 26, 2010
Janice obviously you didn't have to come home look at your family and know you did't have anywhere to clock in the next day and earn a paycheck!!! Why don't you read about something that concerns you? What a LOSER!!!!
SEIU Facts

Ashland, KY

#892 Aug 26, 2010
Well i am officially bored with all this...White corporate american greed is everywhere and no one is going to change it. Greed exists everywhere from the Government and extends all the way down, even the Union...And I was being serious about donating food or offering to pay a couple bills for someone that was layed off at the hospital..As far as Rick goes, well he is a piece of Crap...Say what u want, companies and corporations will continue to do what they want whenever they want, and no one or no union can stop them...The union didnt stop anything from happening in the auto industry...been to detroit lately?? the place is a dump from all the unemployment...So please dont feed me the union rhetoric..I believe the auto industry is over 4000 strong and they didnt change anything...So if you are Union, stop being hypocrites...Go shop at krogers instead of walmart..you should be supporting your fellow union members...
Unionsteward

Dallas, TX

#893 Aug 27, 2010
The auto industry? That's what you want to compare a health care faciltity to? Wow. People don't HAVE to buy cars. EVERYONE gets sick, has accidents, needs tests run etc.... When CEO's make over 300% more a year than hourly workers, the result is the auto industry. But that is a complete other topic. Companies will do what you allow. It's that simple. You just have to have the backbone to face them. It can be scary at times. We all thought at our last contract we would strike for sure. But we held our ground. Together. And got what we asked. I file grievances almost every day. I will continue to as long as a violation of the labor agreement or overtime guidelines has occured. If you want to drop your head and bow to KDMC, that's your choice. But your closed minded thinking will be your own worst enemy when it's YOUR job and livelyhood on the line and the only one standing there to defend and help you is you.
SEIU Facts wrote:
Well i am officially bored with all this...White corporate american greed is everywhere and no one is going to change it. Greed exists everywhere from the Government and extends all the way down, even the Union...And I was being serious about donating food or offering to pay a couple bills for someone that was layed off at the hospital..As far as Rick goes, well he is a piece of Crap...Say what u want, companies and corporations will continue to do what they want whenever they want, and no one or no union can stop them...The union didnt stop anything from happening in the auto industry...been to detroit lately?? the place is a dump from all the unemployment...So please dont feed me the union rhetoric..I believe the auto industry is over 4000 strong and they didnt change anything...So if you are Union, stop being hypocrites...Go shop at krogers instead of walmart..you should be supporting your fellow union members...
someone

Richmond, KY

#894 Aug 27, 2010
UnionSteward wrote:
Management makes poor decisions that cost KDMC money. Which in turn cause finacial hardships, which causes layoffs. Any time you have a split shop the union will be weak. The union and non union employees spend more time blaming each other than they do placing the blame where it belongs. The more KDMC can cause havoc between the two, the better it is for them. Do I think the layoff was strictly to bust the union, no. Do I think the petty games KDMC has played since then are, yes. But that doesn't matter. The employees have no idea how strong of a union they have the potential to be. 4000 + employees. That's crazy. With the right contract language, that place could be THE PLACE to work. Bar none. It's takes everyone. Not just a few. Sitting on a golden opportunity and some can't see it. <quoted

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you are so right!!!!

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