Aunt: Girls took pills through night

[sliverone]

cereal city wrote:

<quoted text>I am sorry for the loss of your son. If I could carry the burden of your greif for just one day I would. I can't imagine, nor do I ever want to be able to, the pain you must live with every day of your life. God bless you.

Thank you very much for your kind post. I wouldn't wish this pain on my worst enemy. No one could have ever made me believe 25 yrs ago that I would outlive even one of my children. Having lost my father, grparents and a brother, well those were quite painful but none could ever equal losing a child. I hope and pray you will never suffer the sorrow of that tragedy.
This is a page I made in memory of my son....www.myspace.com/silvrfx ...there is a link on there to harmd.org , it is a wonderful site with extensive information on methadone...
Sincerely,
Pam

[who cares]

Lynn proud BBC member wrote:

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hmm. not really, just hate stupid people, kinda makes me really angry ya know?

What is stupid,the message or the people who don't get it,food for thought.

[Serenitys Angel]

Are you people EVER going to give this family a break? It's over and done now, leave them alone.

[Serenitys Angel]

Lynn proud BBC member wrote:

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do the world a favor, kill yourself, cuz then you dont have to pay taxes to drug addict kids that you hate so much.
and dont tell me that lowlifes are lowlifes, i was a crack addict, and guess what, i overcame it, without rehab, yup, thats right, all on my own. so screw you. i'm done here, no more posts from me. I'm off to actually do something, not sit here and argue with children who wouldnt know how to be a decent human being if it was beaten into there head with a shovel.

I agree, why argue with ignorance, they don't know any better.

[Serenitys Angel]

who cares wrote:

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What is stupid,the message or the people who don't get it,food for thought.

You are stupid, actually I shall use a big word for you...ignorant. Get a dictionary, look it up.

[Serenitys Angel]

cereal city wrote:

<quoted text>I am sorry for the loss of your son. If I could carry the burden of your greif for just one day I would. I can't imagine, nor do I ever want to be able to, the pain you must live with every day of your life. God bless you.

What a sweet thing for you to say, you truly are a good person. I know the post is not directed at me, but I have to thank you for posting that. There needs to be more compassionate, caring people like you in the world.

[Serenitys Angel]

cereal city wrote:

<quoted text>I am sorry for the loss of your son. If I could carry the burden of your greif for just one day I would. I can't imagine, nor do I ever want to be able to, the pain you must live with every day of your life. God bless you.

I still cannot get over this post. There are not many like you around here, please continue to post, we need more caring people around here and in the world in general.

Thank you!

[Mtgolfer]

woof wrote:

I agree with Are you serious. These girls STOLE the medication from the counselor. They had no right doing that. While I do feel sorry for the families, it was their own fault that they stole and took the medication. The counselor didn't hand it to them. The counselor didn't put it in their mouths. The families should NOT blame the counselor nor kidspeace.

I agree that the ultimate responsibility for this rests with the kids who stole and took the drugs.

At the same time, a supposed counselor should know who it is she's dealing with, and secure any tempting targets. What kind of credentials and training did the counselor have?

Same thing goes for the institution. They should have a procedure for making sure these kinds of things don't happen.

The kids behavior was predictable, and thus avoidable.

No, I'm not a lawyer, rather a nurse. That's why I don't like the kind of sloppiness that it seems was at work here on the part of the counelor and Kidspeace.

[HARMD-VP]

Mtgolfer wrote:

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I agree that the ultimate responsibility for this rests with the kids who stole and took the drugs.
At the same time, a supposed counselor should know who it is she's dealing with, and secure any tempting targets. What kind of credentials and training did the counselor have?
Same thing goes for the institution. They should have a procedure for making sure these kinds of things don't happen.
The kids behavior was predictable, and thus avoidable.
No, I'm not a lawyer, rather a nurse. That's why I don't like the kind of sloppiness that it seems was at work here on the part of the counelor and Kidspeace.

Good Point indeed. Love, Mary

[Bob]

HARMD-VP wrote:

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Good Point indeed. Love, Mary

Yes, this clearly illustrates why KidsPeace needs to be closed.

[killer]

Darn it no killings last night!!

[pills]

Rick wrote:

MonkeyMomma wrote:
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If my dog is known to eat my shoes, should I leave my shoes out and then blame the dog for acting on impulse? NO - I PUT MY SHOES IN THE CLOSET.
Some simple common sense would have saved a life here.
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The counselor didn't exactly lock these meds in a closet. She left them in her purse and then left the purse where the girls could get to it. AND she didn't notice that the pills were missing for three days?

So if someone goes in my ZIPPED up purse or my husbands CLOSED wallet it's not THEFT cause it wasn't behind a locked up door or safe????

[Aaron]

Well said!

Smilez wrote:

I feel so sorry for the families of these two young girls. However, these girls STOLE the medication! It's not as if this medication was sitting out on the counter or anything. People nowadays are always looking to blame someone else instead of taking responsibility for their own actions.

[Utroz]

It is sad that a girl died but even a low dose a methadone can kill someone who doesn't have a tolerance. It could have been a million other meds and the same thing could have happened. Benzos could kill too. At sixteen I knew what was wrong and right, and I made the choice to be a druggie and guess what I am paying for it now. We living in a "nanny" law socioty where the laws says (where I live anyways) that I can't smoke in a car with a minor in it, that I have to buckle up, and kids under 14 have to wear a helmet to ride a bike on the road. Whatever happened to common sense and personal resonsibility?? It still doesn't make what happened suck anyless for the family's of the girls. and btw a person's daily dose of methadone for pain could easily kill someone who didn't need to be taking it.

[Lynn proud BBC member]

pills wrote:

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So if someone goes in my ZIPPED up purse or my husbands CLOSED wallet it's not THEFT cause it wasn't behind a locked up door or safe????

its two completely different situations. i highly doubt you could even begin to fathom the things my friend Kat went through, she was treated like garbage for two years in dumps like kidspeace, and if anything, i think rehab might have made it worse, if you were so far from all your loved ones and someone stuck in your face the only thing that could maybe sedate that for the time being, or even if you knew the oportunity was there to take it, and yes, it was wrong to steal, but it was also very irresponsible for that councler to bring her class 2 narcotics to work with her. and they say she stole them when this councler was driving one of them to something, well how are you that oblivious to not notice what someone a foot away from you is doing, especially if there near where your class two narcotics are.

and why are they even transporting these kids in personal cars? why would she even drive one of these kids anywhere if she knew her drugs were in the car? it was all easily avoidable, but i guess the common sence part of the human brain died out a long time ago.

[Lynn proud BBC member]

Utroz wrote:

It is sad that a girl died but even a low dose a methadone can kill someone who doesn't have a tolerance. It could have been a million other meds and the same thing could have happened. Benzos could kill too. At sixteen I knew what was wrong and right, and I made the choice to be a druggie and guess what I am paying for it now. We living in a "nanny" law socioty where the laws says (where I live anyways) that I can't smoke in a car with a minor in it, that I have to buckle up, and kids under 14 have to wear a helmet to ride a bike on the road. Whatever happened to common sense and personal resonsibility?? It still doesn't make what happened suck anyless for the family's of the girls. and btw a person's daily dose of methadone for pain could easily kill someone who didn't need to be taking it.

okay, then heres the other smart route, take your dose BEFORE you go to work, and then again after, i doubt you need to redose within an 8 hr period, especially such a harsh drug, and then like i said, bring an emergency one, or even two if you'd like, cuz that wouldn't be enough to kill somebody. and your generally supposed to take it every eight hours, i doubt she was in THAT much pain where she'd need it more often,(which would be dangerous) or she'd be bed ridden.

this was all avoidable, and it just kills me that the rehabs that are supposed to help people who've gone down a bad path, they just beat them down to the point where they feel as there nothing. trust me ive seen rehab hurt a lot more then i've seen it help. I was a drug user and i managed to get clean, all on my own, and i'm positive if i went into rehab, i'd still be a user today.

[news you use]

The story goes on,now the ******* lawyers get to have a payday,the ******* parents who helped *****up their kid in the first place gets to have a payday , all this crap costing tons of money because parents gave up raising and managing their kids years ago.I'll bet the kid was at a day care as soon as mom could find one.Oh yes! I know the response,had to make ends meet. People raise your own kids and they will have a much better chance of not ending up at a place like kids peace..

[Serenitys Angel]

news you use wrote:

The story goes on,now the ******* lawyers get to have a payday,the ******* parents who helped *****up their kid in the first place gets to have a payday , all this crap costing tons of money because parents gave up raising and managing their kids years ago.I'll bet the kid was at a day care as soon as mom could find one.Oh yes! I know the response,had to make ends meet. People raise your own kids and they will have a much better chance of not ending up at a place like kids peace..

Sure, we'll just all stay home and collect welfare while living in the projects so we can raise our own kids like you say. Gee, what are the chances they'll be shot dead or become addicted to drugs then? Not everyone has the ability to stay at home with their children, Lord knows most of us want that badly.

How many stable marriages do you see nowadays? Sometimes a mother, or even a father, has to be the sole provider, hence daycare, etc. Obviously you have no children or perhaps you have plenty of money to make your world go 'round.

You are a presumptuous as*. Just thought I'd let ya know.

Have a lovely day.

[news you use]

Serenitys Angel wrote:

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Sure, we'll just all stay home and collect welfare while living in the projects so we can raise our own kids like you say. Gee, what are the chances they'll be shot dead or become addicted to drugs then? Not everyone has the ability to stay at home with their children, Lord knows most of us want that badly.
How many stable marriages do you see nowadays? Sometimes a mother, or even a father, has to be the sole provider, hence daycare, etc. Obviously you have no children or perhaps you have plenty of money to make your world go 'round.
You are a presumptuous as*. Just thought I'd let ya know.
Have a lovely day.

Couldn't help yourself,shoe fits ware it!!!

[Serenitys Angel]

news you use wrote:

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Couldn't help yourself,shoe fits ware it!!!

Sure, I'll ware (whatever that means) it when you buy hooked on phonics.

My post was precise and to the point. Of course I was going to defend many working mothers and fathers.

Apparently you had no responses to the questions posed in my response. All you did was tell me to "ware" it.