Alternative to Arden Pain Clinic ?

Alternative to Arden Pain Clinic ?

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“Be No Tarheelborn”

Since: Feb 07

Albermarle

#1 Sep 21, 2007
With the Pain Management Clinic closed in Arden....

What or where will these people in need receive help?

Some of these people depend on medicines that enable them to live productive lives...

I have witnessed first hand competent pain management and what a remarkable transformation back into the world can do for a person with chronic pain.

It is a travesty and an unethical thing to do to these people they have treated in the past.

To just up and close is patient abandonment.

I feel for these people ...

Is there anything that can be done?

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“Be No Tarheelborn”

Since: Feb 07

Albermarle

#2 Sep 22, 2007
Hello ......little hlpe here lol

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“Be No Tarheelborn”

Since: Feb 07

Albermarle

#3 Sep 22, 2007
I must be dyslexic this morning ....hlpe = help

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“Be No Tarheelborn”

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Albermarle

#4 Sep 22, 2007
Helllloooooooooooooooo

Anyone want to comment?

Since: May 07

Asheville, NC

#5 Sep 22, 2007
LMAO....Trans...My opinion is that pain management clinics are overlooked by many because we tend to think that those who need it are either drug addicts looking for a fix or hypochondriacs looking for a cure that never comes. More needs to be done to research why people have pain and why they need to use these clinics instead of their doctors giving them actual CARE. The real question is- Why are pain clinics necessary? Why cant a doctor see that someone has an illness that causes pain and treat the person accordingly? The answer is that many doctors couldnt care less about the actual patient and care very much about whether the patient can pay the fees for the visit or whether they have the insurance coverage for the visit.

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“Be No Tarheelborn”

Since: Feb 07

Albermarle

#6 Sep 23, 2007
WNCNATIVE wrote:
LMAO....Trans...My opinion is that pain management clinics are overlooked by many because we tend to think that those who need it are either drug addicts looking for a fix or hypochondriacs looking for a cure that never comes. More needs to be done to research why people have pain and why they need to use these clinics instead of their doctors giving them actual CARE. The real question is- Why are pain clinics necessary? Why cant a doctor see that someone has an illness that causes pain and treat the person accordingly? The answer is that many doctors couldnt care less about the actual patient and care very much about whether the patient can pay the fees for the visit or whether they have the insurance coverage for the visit.
I have to agree with you ....it is simpler to throw pills at the problem ...then to actually FIND the problem and treat the cause ..

But ,,,,,Now that the Hospital has all these patients dependant on these medications ,,,,,WHAT ARE THEY going to do about it?

The Hospital in my opinion has liability to these patients should something happen as a direct result of the Hospital abandoning these people.
SIG

Asheville, NC

#7 Sep 23, 2007
Trans- They didn't have a choice. The Arden Clinic was being investigated by law officials. If your a Dr. giving controlled substances (sch II's) which is the same as cocaine meaning same schedule,, then you better keep records of who your giving it to and how much. Not knowing that is a huge liability. One Dr. in Asheville, I won't name him.. is waiting on his indictment. He was over medicating patients and they have linked 6 overdoses to him. Patient's are still seeing him for now. Some of these Dr.'s are high paid drug dealers.

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“Be No Tarheelborn”

Since: Feb 07

Albermarle

#8 Sep 23, 2007
SIG wrote:
Trans- They didn't have a choice. The Arden Clinic was being investigated by law officials. If your a Dr. giving controlled substances (sch II's) which is the same as cocaine meaning same schedule,, then you better keep records of who your giving it to and how much. Not knowing that is a huge liability. One Dr. in Asheville, I won't name him.. is waiting on his indictment. He was over medicating patients and they have linked 6 overdoses to him. Patient's are still seeing him for now. Some of these Dr.'s are high paid drug dealers.
Thanks Sig !

Good to see you back!

I understand that some of these Dr'd and even some patients are overmedicating ....but for the true cases of people in need...what are they suppose to do?

In this case you have a Hospital involved. It isn't like a Dr in a private practice.

This Hospital has a liabilty to these patients that Dr Bothe was treating under the hospitals shingle.

I feel really bad for the patients who truly need some type of medication to just be able to function daily....

And to just up and cut them off like they did is just wrong in my opinion.....
SIG

Asheville, NC

#9 Sep 23, 2007
No, that's why they put out the announcement to go to the hospital. It's to cover their butts because people under care of C2's could have seizures and die if they up and stop their med's. They covered themselves by putting the change on the door and then televising it, etc. Even though the Dr. was doing business under the Hospital name or whatever,, he was still in an essence in private practice b/c the hospital was trusting him to do the job. They didn't have a system of checks and balances in place and this doctor was being shady. In order to keep his DEA# and keep practicing at a later time, he had to cease and desist so to speak. I don't know if he will lose his license or not.. it's very hard to take a Dr.'s power away. If the people just go to the hospital, they will either be treated or referred. Besides, people that need pain management Dr.'s will find them. Don't worry.
AMS

United States

#10 Sep 23, 2007
WNCNATIVE wrote:
LMAO....Trans...My opinion is that pain management clinics are overlooked by many because we tend to think that those who need it are either drug addicts looking for a fix or hypochondriacs looking for a cure that never comes. More needs to be done to research why people have pain and why they need to use these clinics instead of their doctors giving them actual CARE. The real question is- Why are pain clinics necessary? Why cant a doctor see that someone has an illness that causes pain and treat the person accordingly? The answer is that many doctors couldnt care less about the actual patient and care very much about whether the patient can pay the fees for the visit or whether they have the insurance coverage for the visit.
You are so right in saying that much more needs to be done to find the causes of pain. Pain is the number one reason people visit a doctor. As the majority of the population gets older it will become the main focus of medical research. And about time!
But for now, what I've learned is that sometimes modern medicine does not have all the answers, and can not always cure the cause of pain.
It was quite an eye opener for me to find this out through first hand experience.
FWIW,
AMS

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“Be No Tarheelborn”

Since: Feb 07

Albermarle

#11 Sep 23, 2007
SIG wrote:
No, that's why they put out the announcement to go to the hospital. It's to cover their butts because people under care of C2's could have seizures and die if they up and stop their med's. They covered themselves by putting the change on the door and then televising it, etc. Even though the Dr. was doing business under the Hospital name or whatever,, he was still in an essence in private practice b/c the hospital was trusting him to do the job. They didn't have a system of checks and balances in place and this doctor was being shady. In order to keep his DEA# and keep practicing at a later time, he had to cease and desist so to speak. I don't know if he will lose his license or not.. it's very hard to take a Dr.'s power away. If the people just go to the hospital, they will either be treated or referred. Besides, people that need pain management Dr.'s will find them. Don't worry.
Hope your right Sig ..

WHERE you been?

Since: Sep 07

United States

#12 Sep 24, 2007
SIG wrote:
Trans- They didn't have a choice. The Arden Clinic was being investigated by law officials. If your a Dr. giving controlled substances (sch II's) which is the same as cocaine meaning same schedule,, then you better keep records of who your giving it to and how much. Not knowing that is a huge liability. One Dr. in Asheville, I won't name him.. is waiting on his indictment. He was over medicating patients and they have linked 6 overdoses to him. Patient's are still seeing him for now. Some of these Dr.'s are high paid drug dealers.
Your are right about that fact that your regular Dr. not writing these schedule II Rx...they don't want to take the responsibility in case of an overdose.

Hey, the Dr. in Asheville that waiting to his indictment....can you at least tell me if he is a pain clinic Dr? Perhaps on on McDowell?
Appreiciate it.

Since: Sep 07

United States

#13 Sep 24, 2007
Transplanted wrote:
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Thanks Sig !
Good to see you back!
I understand that some of these Dr'd and even some patients are overmedicating ....but for the true cases of people in need...what are they suppose to do?
In this case you have a Hospital involved. It isn't like a Dr in a private practice.
This Hospital has a liabilty to these patients that Dr Bothe was treating under the hospitals shingle.
I feel really bad for the patients who truly need some type of medication to just be able to function daily....
And to just up and cut them off like they did is just wrong in my opinion.....
.
I am (WAS) a patient of Dr. Bothe's and he was a wonderful Dr. in my opinion....
I did not abuse the system, however I am sure that some people do...that why they in up OD-ing.
Your right, now I am our there to fend for myself, doing the research trying to find another Dr. that can get and keep my pain under controll so that I can live a half-way normal life.
I work a full time job as office mgr and national sales mgr. I cannot take too much medication or I would not be able to work....so there are a lot of his patients that are truly there for the RIGHT REASON.
THANKS FOR UNDERSTANDING! MEAN IT!

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“Be No Tarheelborn”

Since: Feb 07

Albermarle

#14 Sep 24, 2007
Lady Doja wrote:
<quoted text>.
I am (WAS) a patient of Dr. Bothe's and he was a wonderful Dr. in my opinion....
I did not abuse the system, however I am sure that some people do...that why they in up OD-ing.
Your right, now I am our there to fend for myself, doing the research trying to find another Dr. that can get and keep my pain under controll so that I can live a half-way normal life.
I work a full time job as office mgr and national sales mgr. I cannot take too much medication or I would not be able to work....so there are a lot of his patients that are truly there for the RIGHT REASON.
THANKS FOR UNDERSTANDING! MEAN IT!
Have you been contacted about referral treatment?

Have they scheduled you an appointment for October, since they stated they will service clients until then?

Since: Sep 07

United States

#15 Sep 24, 2007
Transplanted wrote:
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Have you been contacted about referral treatment?
Have they scheduled you an appointment for October, since they stated they will service clients until then?
Yea, appt. scheduled for 10/11.
so, your saying they are see their patients thru October or are they referry them to that other Dr. Grainger (I think) who has an office right next door to the Arden location.
I will call to double check, I need to also talk to them about getting my files and referals etc.
thanks friend! It is good to know there are some decent people around who beleive in people will cronic pain. Cronic pain is REAL and just because I go to a pain clinic does not mean I am some sort of junkie.

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“Be No Tarheelborn”

Since: Feb 07

Albermarle

#16 Sep 24, 2007
Lady Doja wrote:
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Yea, appt. scheduled for 10/11.
so, your saying they are see their patients thru October or are they referry them to that other Dr. Grainger (I think) who has an office right next door to the Arden location.
I will call to double check, I need to also talk to them about getting my files and referals etc.
thanks friend! It is good to know there are some decent people around who beleive in people will cronic pain. Cronic pain is REAL and just because I go to a pain clinic does not mean I am some sort of junkie.
From what I have been told and heard, The way they are able to get around the "patient abandonment" problem is by seeing ALL the patients 1 last time then refer them to someone else who just MAY or MAY NOT continue your medication......

This is a sad thing for anyone suffering with chronic pain.

Since: Sep 07

United States

#17 Sep 24, 2007
Transplanted wrote:
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From what I have been told and heard, The way they are able to get around the "patient abandonment" problem is by seeing ALL the patients 1 last time then refer them to someone else who just MAY or MAY NOT continue your medication......
This is a sad thing for anyone suffering with chronic pain.
That's it, the new Dr. may or maynot continue with the same regiment if you will....even though it is working wonders for me.
LEB

United States

#18 Oct 15, 2007
I am trying to find the referral Doctors for Dr Bothes and Dr Whites patients my mother was being treated by these Dr's and was doing quite well with her treatments until all this happened any info. Thanks
Grossly unethical

United States

#19 Nov 7, 2007
Park Ridge Medical Associates has handled this with the bare minimum regard for the welfare of Dr. Bothe's former patients.

They know good and well how long it takes to be accepted into another pain management practice, to say nothing about all that is involved in actually getting in for the first visit.

They did just enough to legally cover their butts (so they think). No compassion; no sense of their ethical responsibility. This is an appalling disregard for a very vulnerable patient population. I hope the lawsuits start flying.
Truckin

Greensboro, NC

#20 Nov 7, 2007
Pill poppers - better living through chemistry.

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