Erwin High: 'dropout factory'

Full story: Asheville Citizen-Times

It's a nickname no principal could be proud of: "Dropout Factory," a high school where no more than 60 percent of the students who start as freshmen make it to their senior year.
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B Franklin

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Oct 30, 2007
 
Did you know that if a student enters ninth grade and does not graduate after four years, it counts as a drop out for the school, even if the student never leaves school and graduates after five years?

Lets use common sense when figuring drop out please. Otherwise its just cooking the books.
Government Screwls

Morganton, NC

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#2
Oct 30, 2007
 
What is SO damn difficult about staying in high screwl and finishing up one's BASIC education? Are the kids THAT STUPID??????????
Arent they EMBARRASSED??????????
Back in the day, if you dropped out, you were considered outcast scum forever! Apparantly, its a good thing nowadays...what do these kids think will happen to them in life??????
VIV

Gaffney, SC

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#3
Oct 30, 2007
 
This letter mentions that kids from poorer areas have higher drop out rates because students have to work.....it all goes back to the parents. If they don't care, the children won't care. I worked all through high school.....did not attend college, but I was determined that my children would. I now have a son with a master's degree, one with a B.A. and one will get his B.A. in May. They all worked during high school and college. Don't blame it on being poor.
CheckingIn

Casar, NC

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#4
Oct 30, 2007
 
No interviews with the principal? No interviews with school staff to support the actual numbers? How many students moved? How many transferred? Poor reporting for a front page article!
denise smith

Asheville, NC

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#6
Oct 30, 2007
 
IN FACT MY STEP-SON WHO GOES TO TC ROBINSON HIS TEACHERS EVEN TOLD HIM WHY DON'T YOU JUST QUIT AND WITH THAT WHY DO YOU THINK KIDS TODAY DROP OUT OF THE SCHOOL FOR TEACHERS TODAY DON'T CARE ANYMORE
Fred

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Oct 30, 2007
 
Pissed Parent wrote:
I think that they need to get rid of the principal and the dropout coordinator. My child is one of these that dropouted out and noone called to offer any help to get them back in school.
Just curious. What did YOU do to try to get YOUR KID back in school?
Accountabilty

Casar, NC

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#8
Oct 30, 2007
 
There is nothing wrong with the education that the staff at Erwin High School is providing. My son attends Erwin, and I have been impressed with his teachers and the courses that he has been taking. People can blame the principal and the drop out coordinator all they want. But, I can promise you that as a parent, I wouldn't need any help in keeping my kid from dropping out of school. Parents need to step up, students need to step up. I'm sick of the blame game. Stop waiting for someone to fix it for you. The education opportunities are there.
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Oct 30, 2007
 
I expect they will be a red ribbon drop out investigation with the usual hang wringing and demand for even more money to fix this problem now and forever. Our public schools now spend even more money per student than I spend to send my daughter to Chapel Hill. It's not the money, but the how it's allocated and how time in school is used for real time learning versus the social agenda promoted by various interest groups.

If you want progress make public (government) schools compete against private schools by giving every student and parents the option to go elsewhere period. It's an experiment that needs a full press by parents aka as voters. Politicians fear an outraged public as seen by the recent immigartion fiasco. Folks it's our money why do you keep lining up and paying for a lousy product? You wouldn't tolerate such poor product design, performance and service with your car or plasma tv. So don't get mad, get even with a bureaucracy that doesn't care other than to maintain its existence. Kumbaya.
Christina

Chesterfield, VA

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#10
Oct 30, 2007
 
I am an alumni of Erwin High School. I graduated in 2002 and have since completed my BA in history and accomplished much more. There is nothing wrong with the faculty and staff at Erwin High School. This school has always struggled with the overwhelming diversity of students with different needs and backgrounds. The student body has changed so drastically over the years that the infrastructure is lacking. The teachers and staff do the best they can with what they have. In addition I agree with "Fred". Parents are the base for their children's expectations. If don't expect your child to graduate or even try in school, for that matter, most won't. I too worked through high school and college and those factors did not affect me graduating in the top 20% of my class. Stop looking for excuses and start finding solutions.
Fred

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Oct 30, 2007
 
denise smith wrote:
IN FACT MY STEP-SON WHO GOES TO TC ROBINSON HIS TEACHERS EVEN TOLD HIM WHY DON'T YOU JUST QUIT AND WITH THAT WHY DO YOU THINK KIDS TODAY DROP OUT OF THE SCHOOL FOR TEACHERS TODAY DON'T CARE ANYMORE
If the kid does NOTHING in school and doesn't want to be there and has NO SUPPORT from the parents, they might as well drop out and get one of those 'do you want fries with that' job NOW. MAYBE they will figure out before it is too late that they need to at least get a GED and learn how to get a better job.
Concerned Educator

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#12
Oct 30, 2007
 
It concerns me that the proposed legislation focuses on numbers. Our students are not numbers. They are real people with real lives. Lives that are often plagued with troubled homes, mental illness, and/or economic challenges. Our mental health system is in shambles and there appears to be no end in sight to alleviate this issue. Heathier parents mean healthier students. Mandating additional resources to aid schools in assisting students should be the priority not more avenues for counting and recording. Day to day our students need more support for tutoring and managing their lives. Many of our students face an enormous amount of problems in the community that the school is then made responsible for fixing. The legislation implies that schools are not already addressing problems with students and there are no extenuating factors. I would like to welcome our community to join us in this all important effort to keep students in school...more education equals more choices for the future. One of the major focuses in the school system is on graduation initiative. We cannot do it alone. We need your help and support.
Real Man of Genius

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Oct 30, 2007
 
denise smith wrote:
IN FACT MY STEP-SON WHO GOES TO TC ROBINSON HIS TEACHERS EVEN TOLD HIM WHY DON'T YOU JUST QUIT AND WITH THAT WHY DO YOU THINK KIDS TODAY DROP OUT OF THE SCHOOL FOR TEACHERS TODAY DON'T CARE ANYMORE
Considering the school is named T.C. Roberson, not ROBINSON, I think part of the problem is fairly obvious.
Public Education

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#14
Oct 30, 2007
 
It is great that your child is taking advantage of our GREAT University of North Carolina system.

It is ironic that you should mention that you are able to get such a great value that you spend less than we spend per student on our elementary and secondary school students. If your fellow citizens did not support the UNC schools so generously, you would be paying over $42,000 a year to go to Chapel Hill.

Our public schools do need to continuously improve and to find and adopt best practices. They have to do this in a climate where a few very vocal citizens' favorite hobby is to attack the whole concept of public education. Thankfully, caring adults get up every day and go to work to lift up children, many of them work in our public schools.
We should give them a lift whenever we get the opportunity, maybe even be one ourselves.
IMOKRU wrote:
I expect they will be a red ribbon drop out investigation with the usual hang wringing and demand for even more money to fix this problem now and forever. Our public schools now spend even more money per student than I spend to send my daughter to Chapel Hill. It's not the money, but the how it's allocated and how time in school is used for real time learning versus the social agenda promoted by various interest groups.
If you want progress make public (government) schools compete against private schools by giving every student and parents the option to go elsewhere period. It's an experiment that needs a full press by parents aka as voters. Politicians fear an outraged public as seen by the recent immigartion fiasco. Folks it's our money why do you keep lining up and paying for a lousy product? You wouldn't tolerate such poor product design, performance and service with your car or plasma tv. So don't get mad, get even with a bureaucracy that doesn't care other than to maintain its existence. Kumbaya.
homer

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#15
Oct 30, 2007
 
I have a child at Erwin. It is my responsibility to make sure he is a good student. His teachers and principal are no worse than anywhere else. Some are there for the check and summers off, and some seem to really be involved. This is their job, and at any job you will find both types.

My son is a straight 'A' student because HE works hard. HE cares about his future, and if for some reason HE falters, WE will make sure it is fixed.

I would never expect anyone to care as much about my childs future as his mother and I do. That is the responsibility we took when we decided to have kids. Could the teachers do better---yes, but they will never have the influence we as parents have.

PS. There is no "TC Robinson". I believe everyone should at least the name of the school their child attends. TC Roberson.
Local

Manteo, NC

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Oct 30, 2007
 
Pissed Parent wrote:
I think that they need to get rid of the principal and the dropout coordinator. My child is one of these that dropouted out and noone called to offer any help to get them back in school.
Sounds like your problems started at home...how did you fix your problems with your dropout. That's what kills me about people like you...you make mistakes in raising your children and expect others and the government to come along behind you and "fix" everything you screwed up!!!
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#17
Oct 30, 2007
 
I find it interesting that the ACT chose to leave out the part of this story from AOL that addresses a possible alternative to this problem - Baltimore Talent Development High School, "where 90% of kids are on track toward graduating on time." I agree whole heartedly that the value for education begins in the home. We have to inspire our children to love to learn. Once again, IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS (DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS) JOB TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN!!!! THAT INCLUDES EXPECTING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO TEACH MORALS/MANNERS AND BE A FULL-TIME BABY SITTING FACILITY!!! WE AS PARENTS NEED TO REEXAMINE OUR OWN VALUES AND STOP ABDICATING OUR ROLE IN THE LIVES OF OUR CHILDREN!!! THERE IS NO POINT CREATING MORE LEGISLATION TO KEEP KIDS TIED DOWN IN A BROKEN SYSTEM!!! I do have a great deal of respect for teachers, but it is most definitely time for a reevaluation of our teaching methods. The current school model is not written in stone! It is time that parents stepped up to the plate regardless of race/finances etc., and teamed up w/ teachers to evaluate what is best for each INDIVIDUAL child! And one would hope that the school system would welcome more input/assistance from parents since we hear so much how stressful(true)the classroom can be, and how overworked and underpaid(aren't most of us?)they are.
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Oct 30, 2007
 
homer wrote:
I have a child at Erwin. It is my responsibility to make sure he is a good student. His teachers and principal are no worse than anywhere else. Some are there for the check and summers off, and some seem to really be involved. This is their job, and at any job you will find both types.
My son is a straight 'A' student because HE works hard. HE cares about his future, and if for some reason HE falters, WE will make sure it is fixed.
I would never expect anyone to care as much about my childs future as his mother and I do. That is the responsibility we took when we decided to have kids. Could the teachers do better---yes, but they will never have the influence we as parents have.
PS. There is no "TC Robinson". I believe everyone should at least the name of the school their child attends. TC Roberson.
AMEN! That's the problem today is that we as parents do not step up as we should. There are some that constantly look for others to blame for their being inadequate parents. Some people should NEVER be parents.
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#20
Oct 30, 2007
 
How much has the school district invested in new sports facilities at Erwin in the last few years?

Meanwhile, Buncombe County schools that do an awesome, proven job of educating children such as Glen Arden Elementary get the short end of the stick on facility improvements every year.

We have our priorities so screwed up.
Dan

Raleigh, NC

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#21
Oct 30, 2007
 
I too am a graduate of Erwin and come from humble beginnings in Western North Carolina. The problem did not start at the high school level it is cyclical and starts way before. I think an analysis of the numbers with transfers and movers would be a real snapshot of the problem. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink. There are good and bad teachers everywhere, but that can be said at every profession. There are good and bad accountants and you can only hope you get the good one to prepare your taxes. "homer" your comments are dead on. My grandparents raised me, one had a fourth grade education, and the other a ninth. If it was Erwin, I probably would not have made it. Parents need to take some responsibility for their children.
The New Cruelty

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Oct 30, 2007
 

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Concerned Parent wrote:
To those students that are currently attending Erwin High, the Asheville Citizen-Times owes an apology. This is a pathetic headline story, you should be ashamed!
The numbers don't lie. And the story ran nationally, so don't blame the Citizen-Times for reporting it locally. I say it's about time somebody got embarrassed. Maybe it will motivate some action.

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