Excess phone books are litter and sho...

Excess phone books are litter and should be picked up

There are 17 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Aug 11, 2008, titled Excess phone books are litter and should be picked up. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Comments on Topix forums : The people who put out the Asheville-Hendersonville telephone books should come back and pick up the ones that are littering the sides of the road in our neighborhoods.

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righton

Raleigh, NC

#1 Aug 11, 2008
Then recycle them. If you're bright enough to get a letter in to the ACT for post then you're bright enough to figure out a way to do the right thing, get your neighborhood cleaned up, and even organize a sensible and logical way to get these books to a recycle station.
Put some action behind those words.
LOKEL

Weaverville, NC

#2 Aug 11, 2008
righton wrote:
Then recycle them. If you're bright enough to get a letter in to the ACT for post then you're bright enough to figure out a way to do the right thing, get your neighborhood cleaned up, and even organize a sensible and logical way to get these books to a recycle station.
Put some action behind those words.
Why should anyone be "required to clean-up their neighborhood" .... I live in an area that is home to many vacation houses that are not occupied for most of the year.

These phone books are laying everywhere along the wooded roads of our community.

The company should be charged with littering.

There was an article in yesterdays paper that discussed the efforts of several states including NC that would make this type of distribution illegal (unless the home owners request these books).

I say write your representative.

“BEAT A PAIR OF JACK'S & A FOX ”

Since: Feb 07

ASHEVILLE

#3 Aug 11, 2008
They use to have the delivery person hang them on your front door knob. Wonder what happened to that idea.
Raven Sawyer

Raleigh, NC

#4 Aug 11, 2008
We gathered them up from piled up under aisles of mailboxes and laying in the streets in our neighborhood and threw them in a dumpster. I bet we had over a hundred of them. A few years ago we made a bonfire out of them but due to the drought we couldnt do that this year. We have done this every year for a long while.

“Conservative for America”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#5 Aug 11, 2008
Lokel, So you want more government regulation and less personal resposibility?

Raven, you advocate a destructive and agressive approach.

Might I suggest the most straight forward and easiest method of dealing with this blight, and it is perfectly legal. I reread the recycling guidelines after item I tried to send were left. Never mind that, but to your problem. It states clearly that in the green tub paper products including telephone books can be recycled.

The plastic the books come in are waste, but you can recycle the books themselves. It will make you feel better (superior) about yourselves to pick up those books and put them in the recycle tub.
O Really

United States

#6 Aug 11, 2008
yona wrote:
Lokel, So you want more government regulation and less personal resposibility?
Raven, you advocate a destructive and agressive approach.
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What a knee-jerk reaction to a practical issue. Sure, you can toss the ones that come to your door, or maybe the houses next to you, but it's not part of my "personal responsibility" to clean up the entire neighborhood. What is wrong with considering the books to be litter if they are delivered without order or authorization? Why should it be legal to toss promotional materials, "free" stuff, samples, whatever into someone's yard? Just because one runs a business shouldn't exempt them from normal and existing restrictions on littering. And Raven's approach was not "destructive and agressive" unless s/he burned them in the parking lot of the distributor. It's just a bonfire. Yona, you're a smart guy, and though I usually disagree with your perspective, I enjoy your posts. This is a littering issue, though, not one requiring more lament of the opressiveness of government. Like "Alice's Restaurant." :-)

“BEAT A PAIR OF JACK'S & A FOX ”

Since: Feb 07

ASHEVILLE

#7 Aug 11, 2008
Another idea would be for the to be mailed.
LOKEL

Weaverville, NC

#8 Aug 11, 2008
O Really wrote:
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What a knee-jerk reaction to a practical issue. Sure, you can toss the ones that come to your door, or maybe the houses next to you, but it's not part of my "personal responsibility" to clean up the entire neighborhood. What is wrong with considering the books to be litter if they are delivered without order or authorization? Why should it be legal to toss promotional materials, "free" stuff, samples, whatever into someone's yard? Just because one runs a business shouldn't exempt them from normal and existing restrictions on littering. And Raven's approach was not "destructive and agressive" unless s/he burned them in the parking lot of the distributor. It's just a bonfire. Yona, you're a smart guy, and though I usually disagree with your perspective, I enjoy your posts. This is a littering issue, though, not one requiring more lament of the opressiveness of government. Like "Alice's Restaurant." :-)
I agree!

I welcome government restrictions on this matter.

There are phone books lying all over our neighborhood and up and down the roads which we travel to access our home.

Some of the home-sites do not even have a house built on them but they threw the books out at the roads anyway.

If campaign signs can be regulated (by requiring the candidate to see that they are removed in November after the election or face fines), then why can't this book company be expected to do the same?

Hey YONA!

What if a company decided to distribute condoms in a similar manner .... would this be ok with you?
O Really

United States

#9 Aug 11, 2008
Back in the day, before 411.com , before everyone had cells that aren't listed but have their own directories, etc., phone directories were regularly used by all and could be seen as a direct part of the phone service. Now they're basically advertising. Still useful, of course, but much less so. And there are books other than the one from the "phone company" which provide actual number listings as a side product, but whose primary purpose is ads. I'm just saying the product is different from what it used to be, there's more of them, and they're no different than someone throwing paper in your yard advertising their garage sale. Litter.
LOKEL

Weaverville, NC

#10 Aug 11, 2008
CJOHNNY wrote:
Another idea would be for the to be mailed.
The article in yesterdays edition stated that it is cheaper for this company to throw them out than try and target the distribution to specific areas.

It also eluded to the idea that the drivers who toss them out aren't responsible for making sure that every house gets one .... so they could toss several in a yard just to get their route completed and then collect their payment.
Thunker

Greer, SC

#11 Aug 11, 2008
wait until the pdcpages comes out (jan/feb)

3 yellow page books. plus supplements. each year.

i support fees & fines for this type of junk/bulk litter. before the internet, they served a purpose. now it's just a greedy grab for advertising dollars.
Jim Taylor

Raleigh, NC

#12 Aug 11, 2008
And think about it.....how many times have you actually used a phone book in the last year? Twice? I honestly believe in my case it was only once. When the old fella Im taking care of passes, Im getting rid of our home service and will just use my cell phone.

“Conservative for America”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#13 Aug 11, 2008
LOKEL wrote:
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Hey YONA!
What if a company decided to distribute condoms in a similar manner .... would this be ok with you?
I'm glad you asked. First of all our morally defunct socialist indoctrination centers called public schools do offer condoms on demand to children as young as 12. My answer, well I choose to refuse to allow my daughter to be pressured into considering her sexuality till she is ready. Planned Parenthood doesn't hold the rights to teaching our children the birds and bees. If, heaven forbid, I ever found my daughter having to go to public school, you can bet I would vet ever piece of propaganda being taught or sent home with her. I know parents now that basicly reteach their children due to the lies taught in the public skrewl.

What makes you think that force feeding condoms door to door hasn't already been debated by the liberal left. They already want control in your home, why not control of your penis. Think I'm nuts check out Chinas laws on procreation and sex.

As for my response to finding them on my doorstep. First I would write a long F U to you for finding my name and address and leaving condoms on my doorstep.LOL Really I would throw them away, unless my wife thought they would be fun for us or to give to friends of family which might want them. If it happened repeatedly I would look for an e-mail address or phone number to ask them to stop. If they refused I would speak with my attorney, the Sherriffs department and Liddy Dole to see what steps would have to be taken to make them stop.

If none of that worked I would get nasty.
O Really

United States

#14 Aug 11, 2008
yona wrote:
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...
As for my response to finding them on my doorstep. First I would write a long F U to you for finding my name and address and leaving condoms on my doorstep.LOL Really I would throw them away, unless my wife thought they would be fun for us or to give to friends of family which might want them. If it happened repeatedly I would look for an e-mail address or phone number to ask them to stop. If they refused I would speak with my attorney, the Sherriffs department and Liddy Dole to see what steps would have to be taken to make them stop...
And since the only help the Sheriff and Liddy could give would be through implementation and/or enforcement of some regulation, I guess you actually agree with Lokel and me. We just didn't want to go through the futile efforts of calling the distributor, etc. Just got to the point. There are laws on the books already about litter. Enforcement of those laws is a good thing.

“Conservative for America”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#15 Aug 11, 2008
O Really wrote:
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And since the only help the Sheriff and Liddy could give would be through implementation and/or enforcement of some regulation, I guess you actually agree with Lokel and me. We just didn't want to go through the futile efforts of calling the distributor, etc. Just got to the point. There are laws on the books already about litter. Enforcement of those laws is a good thing.
No No No

Attorney- to contact the business and inform them of a violation of my private property and to cease and desist immediately.

Sherriff- To inform them that the company had been informed to stop coming on my proerty and if they did so again the Sherriffs department could go to their offices and hand deliver a notice, or possibly arrest someone if nessisary. I would assume for repeatedly dropping them on my doorstep after the Sherriff had told them to stop would be the reason.

Elizabeth Dole- To find out if this was part of a new liberal legislation thing that somehow due to our having a socialist president and left wing liberals in control of Congress they had passed the mandatory cocc sock program. In which case asking her if it were possible to opt out would be my question.

No I am not asking for increased taxes to stop something I might disagree with. I'll handle it myself, a concept liberals don't understand. Nor am I asking for additional legislation. There is nothing beneficial that has ever come from adding more legislation.
O Really

United States

#16 Aug 11, 2008
yona wrote:
<quoted text>
No No No
Attorney- to contact the business and inform them of a violation of my private property and to cease and desist immediately.
Sherriff- To inform them that the company had been informed to stop coming on my proerty and if they did so again the Sherriffs department could go to their offices and hand deliver a notice, or possibly arrest someone if nessisary. I would assume for repeatedly dropping them on my doorstep after the Sherriff had told them to stop would be the reason.
Elizabeth Dole- To find out if this was part of a new liberal legislation thing that somehow due to our having a socialist president and left wing liberals in control of Congress they had passed the mandatory cocc sock program. In which case asking her if it were possible to opt out would be my question.
No I am not asking for increased taxes to stop something I might disagree with. I'll handle it myself, a concept liberals don't understand. Nor am I asking for additional legislation. There is nothing beneficial that has ever come from adding more legislation.
LOL, You never disappoint! Thanks for a good laugh for the afternoon, yona, and good luck with that cease and desist.

“Alan Ditmore”

Since: May 08

Leicester

#17 Aug 11, 2008
I use my phonebooks all the time and used to order them for other regions before I got unresricted internet, and I really appreciated the first one they got out to my remote corner in 3 years. As for the second PDC one within a few weeks, it was mostly bad timing. If PDC had beaten AT&T or had come out 6 months later with 6 months of updated information, it would have gotten the appreciation instead of AT&T.
Making them available with the free magazines at grocery stores or something would have made them both voluntary and saved them the distribution costs though, but I rarely see stacks that I can pick up.

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