Asheville drug dealer charged with 2n...

Asheville drug dealer charged with 2nd degree murder

There are 68 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Jan 22, 2009, titled Asheville drug dealer charged with 2nd degree murder. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

The Henderson County Sheriffs' Office arrested an Asheville man this morning, on charges of 2nd degree murder.

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ABC

Eddyville, KY

#22 Jan 22, 2009
Nik Flores, i knew him very well in highschool, me and him were friends. I cant believe that he could live with himself after murdering his friend and mine. In Aug 2008 is when Chris Waters died. I was great friends with him, i just cant see how nik could live with himself knowing he murdered someone. I saw him a few times after Chris's death and had no clue that he was the one who gave him the drugs..Even thought it is what it is he should have thought about it and so should have Chris but Nik, having a $50,000 bond, thats pathetic. He murdered someone. There shouldnt be any bond, he should do his time intill the day he dies.
Nik shouldnt be able to walk out of jail down the road from now as a free man, he should have to face the same problems, knowing he would be in jail intill the day he died. Nik deserves no much more punishment than what he is getting but i cant change that, maybe someone will realize what a terrible thing he has done to himself and everyone around him.
Joe Blow

Greenville, SC

#23 Jan 22, 2009
yona wrote:
I agree, assuming he can get the bond he is in the wind. If you asked me, and you didn't, I think any person convicted of selling drugs should be immediately charged and convicted of at minimum 1 count of manslaughter. More likely depending on the amount of time they had been dealing prolonged suicide to people the number of counts or the charge goes up. Anyone think that is unfair, don't be shy.
That's gotta be one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard. You have no idea what your talking about.
Joe Blow

Greenville, SC

#24 Jan 22, 2009
Sgt Rock wrote:
"Nikolas Ramiro Flores"
Gee. That's a funny name.
You are dumb man
Joe Blow

Greenville, SC

#25 Jan 22, 2009
WNC Native wrote:
<quoted text> Hi Sgt. Rock, I agree as well that his name is foreign. Sounds part Greek, and Part Mexican. I say let the SOB be punished and suffer hopefully worse than his victim did.
Our govt. needs to rid our country of these freakin aliens that come here and rob our ecomy and kill people along their way Who is our Government supporting, American Nationals or Illegal aliens? This Pisses me off.
You are just as dumb...

“Conservative for America”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#26 Jan 22, 2009
omg wth wrote:
<quoted text>Care to unpack that a little? Should people who are caught growing marijuana be charged with manslaughter? Are you assuming that all drugs cause death eventually? Are you going to include the many doctors who regularly prescribe diazepams and oxycodone despite knowing that 2/3rds of the recipients of the legitimate prescriptions will be addicted before the scrips run out? Remember, when you're writing actual, functional laws, they need to be able to be applied universally and fairly in a broad number of cases. If someone sells LSD, should they be charged with manslaughter on the possibility that someone may one day think they can fly and jump off a bridge (something which btw happens to people on alcohol, usually presaged by shouting "hey y'all, watch this!"). I think once again you are using the movie cliche generic version of faceless evil "drugs", you know, "dope", "the stuff" etc- no need to hurt your head over whether some of what we call drugs kill or not. There are many, many drugs that aren't implicated in any additional risk of death that are illegal, and many, many drugs that will screw you up and kill you dead that you can legally waltz out of a doctor's office with neat little free samples of on any given weekday.
I've just recently read an article that says that coffee can cause hallucinations. We should imprison the Starbucks employees!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/...
I could engage you in a discussion on the reasonable use of narcotics. I could explain my feelings about why we should legalize whole catagories of drugs. All that is for naught if you are just going to dismiss me after I write it all out for you. My plan had been to make a simple comment suggesting that, unsaid, crack, Heroine, and meth were killers and anyone that sold them were knowingly selling death.

Personally I don't think punitive measures work to curb the illegal activities of those bent on committing the crime. Punitive justice is for the average law abiding citizen that might consider breaking a law but then weighs the gain verses loss and decides his/her life is too nice to risk it.

I will be the first to say that expanding capitol punishment is not the answer either. To be honest I usually have some theory or idea as to how to fix things but I honestly don't know what to do here. Legalizing some will help but the deadly addictive and harmful drugs have to remain illegal and therefore drug dealers will still exsist. The only up side is the narcotics forces will have fewer catagories so they can focus their efforts.

Sgt Rock

Since: Jun 07

Jonesborough, TN

#27 Jan 22, 2009
Joe Blow wrote:
<quoted text>
You are dumb man
The above ignorance brought to you by Joe "Blow". The name says it all.
tyler1

Norris, SC

#28 Jan 22, 2009
i wonder why this law does not work in haywood county,my nephew died the same way and sheriff alexander set around with his thumb in his butt and did nothing.

“Conservative for America”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#29 Jan 22, 2009
Joe Blow wrote:
<quoted text>
That's gotta be one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard. You have no idea what your talking about.
Well Blow...me down, a one line response proving that although you think I am stupid your too ignorant to come up with an opnion or solution of your own. Don't waste my time, read above.
omg wth

Waynesville, NC

#30 Jan 22, 2009
yona wrote:
<quoted text>
I could engage you in a discussion on the reasonable use of narcotics. I could explain my feelings about why we should legalize whole catagories of drugs. All that is for naught if you are just going to dismiss me after I write it all out for you. My plan had been to make a simple comment suggesting that, unsaid, crack, Heroine, and meth were killers and anyone that sold them were knowingly selling death.
I wouldn't dismiss you for explaining your views, that's why I asked for more clarification. I can't say that I agree about selling any drug equaling manslaughter though, unless you also consider selling guns to be automatic manslaughter (for instance, and I'm only devil's advocating there, I certainly don't want a gun control argument because that's not my point). But I can agree with you that cocaine, methamphetamine and opiate derivatives are in another class than almost all other drugs and should remain tightly controlled- and yes I notice this isn't the first time I've found myself a bit surprised at agreeing with you at least partially. I also advocate legalizing almost all other, less deadly drugs. The problem is with blanket legislation that literally puts magic mushrooms in the same schedule classification as pcp. There are lots of people who trust in some system that says "drugs are bad, medicines are good" that are terrified of marijuana while being completely oblivious to the perils that lie in their pill organizers, and that disturbs me.

Just yesterday I was reading about a local home invasion and seeing where a cop was apologizing that the perpetrators had been let out on earlier charges, explaining that there wasn't enough space and money to pursue the more serious cases and keep violent offenders in jail. THAT space is being held by pacifist hippies that went on a vision quest instead... I'm furious that this country is spending 78 billion dollars a year on the war on drugs instead of protecting me from people who would do me real harm. There is a law against every bad thing that people can do while on drugs, be it robbery or assault or just disorderly conduct- without any need to further criminalize the drug itself and imprison people who have not and are not going to harm anyone.
Buncy

Greenville, SC

#31 Jan 22, 2009
Where is Cessna Way in Asheville? I don't believe there is such a street. It can't be found on Google maps.

“Conservative for America”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#32 Jan 22, 2009
omg wth wrote:
<quoted text>I wouldn't dismiss you for explaining your views, that's why I asked for more clarification. I can't say that I agree about selling any drug equaling manslaughter though, unless you also consider selling guns to be automatic manslaughter (for instance, and I'm only devil's advocating there, I certainly don't want a gun control argument because that's not my point). But I can agree with you that cocaine, methamphetamine and opiate derivatives are in another class than almost all other drugs and should remain tightly controlled- and yes I notice this isn't the first time I've found myself a bit surprised at agreeing with you at least partially. I also advocate legalizing almost all other, less deadly drugs. The problem is with blanket legislation that literally puts magic mushrooms in the same schedule classification as pcp. There are lots of people who trust in some system that says "drugs are bad, medicines are good" that are terrified of marijuana while being completely oblivious to the perils that lie in their pill organizers, and that disturbs me.
Just yesterday I was reading about a local home invasion and seeing where a cop was apologizing that the perpetrators had been let out on earlier charges, explaining that there wasn't enough space and money to pursue the more serious cases and keep violent offenders in jail. THAT space is being held by pacifist hippies that went on a vision quest instead... I'm furious that this country is spending 78 billion dollars a year on the war on drugs instead of protecting me from people who would do me real harm. There is a law against every bad thing that people can do while on drugs, be it robbery or assault or just disorderly conduct- without any need to further criminalize the drug itself and imprison people who have not and are not going to harm anyone.
I appreciate it when people explain their reasoning. You make a great case and I wish our legislators would choose common sense over politic as usual. Maybe Obama is that man, I don't know. For the sake of harmony I will, as requested, not pick up the gun control issue right here with you today. We'll chat about it some other time.

“It is what it is”

Since: Feb 07

Where the redwoods grow

#34 Jan 22, 2009
yona wrote:
I agree, assuming he can get the bond he is in the wind. If you asked me, and you didn't, I think any person convicted of selling drugs should be immediately charged and convicted of at minimum 1 count of manslaughter. More likely depending on the amount of time they had been dealing prolonged suicide to people the number of counts or the charge goes up. Anyone think that is unfair, don't be shy.
Free will. Unless this kid sat on the victim and forced the pills down his throat...
People buy and accept drugs as a matter of choice. Accountability. There is enough information about drugs out there that EVERYONE should know the potential consequences of using them.

Since: Nov 07

United States

#35 Jan 22, 2009
tommyh wrote:
the baby is the kid in the picture
Are you nuts? The picture is of a 19 year old young man, unless they posted the wrong picture! Anybody 19 years old is not a kid or a baby. They know the difference between right and wrong and know that there are penalties for doing wrong!
Big House Bubba

Asheville, NC

#36 Jan 22, 2009
He's a cute lil' thing
Alphonse Capone

Auburn, AL

#37 Jan 22, 2009
Big House Bubba wrote:
He's a cute lil' thing
Take it easy on him Bubba for the first few days!!!
pillerofsociety

Asheville, NC

#38 Jan 22, 2009
"There are lots of people who trust in some system that says "drugs are bad, medicines are good" that are terrified of marijuana while being completely oblivious to the perils that lie in their pill organizers, and that disturbs me."

You ever read the arrests? Buncombe county puts more pill people in jail than cocaine, pot, or meth combined.
pillerofsociety

Asheville, NC

#39 Jan 22, 2009
omg wth wrote:
<quoted text>I wouldn't dismiss you for explaining your views, that's why I asked for more clarification. I can't say that I agree about selling any drug equaling manslaughter though, unless you also consider selling guns to be automatic manslaughter (for instance, and I'm only devil's advocating there, I certainly don't want a gun control argument because that's not my point). But I can agree with you that cocaine, methamphetamine and opiate derivatives are in another class than almost all other drugs and should remain tightly controlled- and yes I notice this isn't the first time I've found myself a bit surprised at agreeing with you at least partially. I also advocate legalizing almost all other, less deadly drugs. The problem is with blanket legislation that literally puts magic mushrooms in the same schedule classification as pcp. There are lots of people who trust in some system that says "drugs are bad, medicines are good" that are terrified of marijuana while being completely oblivious to the perils that lie in their pill organizers, and that disturbs me.
Just yesterday I was reading about a local home invasion and seeing where a cop was apologizing that the perpetrators had been let out on earlier charges, explaining that there wasn't enough space and money to pursue the more serious cases and keep violent offenders in jail. THAT space is being held by pacifist hippies that went on a vision quest instead... I'm furious that this country is spending 78 billion dollars a year on the war on drugs instead of protecting me from people who would do me real harm. There is a law against every bad thing that people can do while on drugs, be it robbery or assault or just disorderly conduct- without any need to further criminalize the drug itself and imprison people who have not and are not going to harm anyone.
I'm not quite understanding your issue here. You talk about charging bartenders and gun sales folks. The thing is, it's legal to do those things. It's not legal to pretend that your a doctor and give pills to someone and it kills them. I understand personal responsibility but I also think if your going to sell a drug, you should explain it's effects. How many methadone can it take to kill someone on the first use? Answer: 2. Do you think many people would do it if they knew that? Who knows, but at least a doctor who can legally prescribe knows what mixes, and will educate you. I guess the state of NC is tired of this stuff. We do rank second in the country to overdose deaths to Methadone behind the state of Florida. Did you know that?
tfj

Oriental, NC

#40 Jan 22, 2009
Ashevegas wrote:
Hmmmm. Some moral and ethical questions arise about this law. You can sell a person a gun and then they blow their brains out and no charges. You can sell a person a bottle of liquor and they drive drunk and end up with their head through the windshield and no charges would arise. I think the free will of people and the lack of a legal level of malice makes this law potentially unconstitutional. But, hey, if the government can make some more money on the war on drugs, it must be good, right?
Well, guns and liquor are legal...drugs aren't.
Cubby

United States

#41 Jan 22, 2009
Selling a gun or liquor is not illegal. Selling a controlled substance is!!!!!
Ashevegas wrote:
Hmmmm. Some moral and ethical questions arise about this law. You can sell a person a gun and then they blow their brains out and no charges. You can sell a person a bottle of liquor and they drive drunk and end up with their head through the windshield and no charges would arise. I think the free will of people and the lack of a legal level of malice makes this law potentially unconstitutional. But, hey, if the government can make some more money on the war on drugs, it must be good, right?
Melanie

Flat Rock, NC

#42 Jan 22, 2009
The whole thing is tragic. I for one hope the punishment is stern. I don't wish to see him beaten or hung, but a hefty sentence does seem called for. I feel like unless a heavy punishment is given there is not much to deter people selling drugs. A very close relative of mine died a drug related death. The person she was with who administered the drugs got nothing. This was a long time ago but still painful. I don't wish death on him but a strict punishment is called for. His age makes this sad, and yes he does look like a kid, but I am sure his victim looked like a kid too.

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