In dog-chaining debate, 'liberty' is ...

In dog-chaining debate, 'liberty' is elusive

There are 28 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from May 8, 2009, titled In dog-chaining debate, 'liberty' is elusive. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Asheville City Council is considering eliminating the inhumane practice of chaining dogs.

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Property Owner

Asheville, NC

#1 May 9, 2009
Unfortunately we live in a barbaric society. Some people are so full of themselves they actually think their pets are possessions instead of living beings. Too bad we can't tie them to a tree.
Quinten Tarantino

Greenville, SC

#2 May 9, 2009
Property Owner wrote:
Unfortunately we live in a barbaric society. Some people are so full of themselves they actually think their pets are possessions instead of living beings. Too bad we can't tie them to a tree.
Dammit, we can't?

Since: Feb 09

Asheville, NC

#3 May 9, 2009
This new ordinance is really mandating that you fence your property if you have a dog. There are cruel ways to chain dogs(too short) but dog runs can provide as much, if not more freedom than a small fenced-in confined area. Government just cannot resist chances to intrude more and more into our once-private lives.

Since: Oct 08

Candler, NC

#4 May 9, 2009
Instaletter yesterday for Terri and a LTE today. I wish I had the ultimate liberty to chain this fanatical couple on top of Mt. Mitchell for eternity. I might add that I DO Not believe in chaining dogs and our faithful companions as my wife and I have three canine companions that live right in our home with us. I just wouldn't think of even leaving our two Shepherds and Highland terrier outside on a clear warm night. It's just that anything coming from the Davids lessens the impact of anything that might be said that is good. It's a steak for us tonight!
Local

Asheville, NC

#5 May 9, 2009
RVN Vet wrote:
Instaletter yesterday for Terri and a LTE today. I wish I had the ultimate liberty to chain this fanatical couple on top of Mt. Mitchell for eternity. I might add that I DO Not believe in chaining dogs and our faithful companions as my wife and I have three canine companions that live right in our home with us. I just wouldn't think of even leaving our two Shepherds and Highland terrier outside on a clear warm night. It's just that anything coming from the Davids lessens the impact of anything that might be said that is good. It's a steak for us tonight!
Yep, they are yet some MORE not-from-around-heres trying to make us do what THEY want.

We will be buying and griling an entire beef tenderloin tonight..

Since: May 09

Spartanburg, SC

#6 May 9, 2009
I am completely against government involvement, but one day I came home and there was a crowd gathered around one of the neighbors house and I got out to look (call me a gawker) and the dog that they always had chained 24/7 had somehow got caught up in the wire the chain was on and the dog ended up hanging by the neck. It was horrible. The animals need someone to protect them from this. We must find an answer for this horrible practice.
SJB

United States

#7 May 9, 2009
[A SJB cameo appearance due to a subject matter dear to my heart – canines.]

Anyone that truly knows me also knows I love my dog and almost all other dogs. I can't say all dogs as dogs are much like people and some of them you just can't warm up to or become their friends. And like people the reasons for a lack of social ability are many and have a history.

The logic of the LTE is seriously flawed as it tries to connect all bad canine and human behavior to the act of “chaining”. What scientific evidence, what repetitive and controlled observations does Terri David have to support the claim that what happened to that child was due to "chaining" or tethering? None! There is more evidence that lack of or improper canine training and human interaction was at the root of the dog's behavior than the act of being "chained". If I put a canine in a small dark room or cage all day and night I'm convinced an equally obnoxious and unsocial canine behavior and/or result can and probably would occur.

And the LTE's argument about chained dogs being a taxpayer burden because they become impregnated is both circular and laughable. An opposing argument is the unwanted puppies from unplanned impregnation is the fault of the irresponsible canine owners that let their horney dogs or in-heat bitc hes run free.

Do I chain my dog? Not in practice, but I have tethered him when we are in a strange or unknown environment and I fear for his safety. To me that is the responsible thing to do.

So if this silly proposed law goes into effect would I be arrested or fined if I volunteer to help move old Mrs. Brown from her current home to a nursing facility? Let's say I have to take my dog with me and can't leave him home that day and tether him to a tree on Mrs. Brown's property to keep him safe from traffic and otherwise out of harms way while we good Samaritans haul Mrs. Brown's belongings out of the house and into a truck. Would the LTE author come running up to me like a Gomer Pyle shouting "citizen's arrest, citizen's arrest"?

If Asheville City Council passes this silly and intrusive law it will prove finally to me that indeed canines are smarter than some people!

“Thank You Veterans!”

Since: Mar 07

Texas & WNC

#8 May 9, 2009
RVN Vet wrote:
Instaletter yesterday for Terri and a LTE today. I wish I had the ultimate liberty to chain this fanatical couple on top of Mt. Mitchell for eternity. I might add that I DO Not believe in chaining dogs and our faithful companions as my wife and I have three canine companions that live right in our home with us. I just wouldn't think of even leaving our two Shepherds and Highland terrier outside on a clear warm night. It's just that anything coming from the Davids lessens the impact of anything that might be said that is good. It's a steak for us tonight!
Has it been a month already?? Wished my monthly cycle was as regular as she and her husband! Was gonna do a salad tonight, but hey - think I deserve a steak!
gerald1936

Waynesville, NC

#9 May 9, 2009
we need a law no chain dog, chain yourself up see how you like it.
CJOHNNY

Hickory, NC

#10 May 9, 2009
Their are so many people that don't deserve to have a dog. For some it is a status thing.I have 3 dogs because I love them. Not to brag to my friends. 2 Jack Russell's and a fox terrier.They are a hand full but I'm old and need the company. Holler at my wife , scream at my kids, but you better not touch my dogs. That's an old redneck sayin. And I live by that. My dogs aren't even use to a leash.
joe schmo

Asheville, NC

#12 May 9, 2009
love how everything boils down to locals vs. non-locals. Its stupid, people are people.

chain free is the way to go.
Swami Yomami

United States

#13 May 9, 2009
Go Davids! I love your spirit and your persistence! Ignore the folks who are cramming animals down their gullets. In a few years they won't be around to talk smack. I'll be having some great VEGETARIAN grub tonite! Peace to ALL creatures! Meat IS Murder...it slowly kills YOU!
tink2

Spartanburg, SC

#14 May 9, 2009
Swami Yomami wrote:
Go Davids! I love your spirit and your persistence! Ignore the folks who are cramming animals down their gullets. In a few years they won't be around to talk smack. I'll be having some great VEGETARIAN grub tonite! Peace to ALL creatures! Meat IS Murder...it slowly kills YOU!
Bwahahaha, oh heck, looks like burgers for me tonight.lol

“Conservative for America”

Since: Apr 07

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#15 May 9, 2009
If the city made tethering illegal, what are the owners supposed to do? If, as Stewart suggested, these dogs are aggressive. Wont that mean we will potentially have these animals roaming around attacking innocent individuals? Then Animal Control will have to capture the dog. The owners will have to go to court and pay damages. The dog will have to be put down and all because the right of the the owner to judge the needs of their animal had been trumped by whiny liberal control freaks.

By the way, does this constitute a Davids burger day? I already had one for lunch. It was great.

“Conservative for America”

Since: Apr 07

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#16 May 9, 2009
Swami Yomami wrote:
Go Davids! I love your spirit and your persistence! Ignore the folks who are cramming animals down their gullets. In a few years they won't be around to talk smack. I'll be having some great VEGETARIAN grub tonite! Peace to ALL creatures! Meat IS Murder...it slowly kills YOU!
You do know that is the exact opposite of the truth, right? Vegetarian's lose body mass and brain mass, which means they are getting stupid and weak. Moderation is key to anything and any intelligent individual knows that's true. I would agree the Davids have their right to their life but they choose to constantly harangue all of us for our right to do our life. Fair is fair, right?

Since: Oct 08

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#17 May 9, 2009
yona wrote:
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Vegetarian's lose body mass and brain mass, which means they are getting stupid and weak. Moderation is key to anything and any intelligent individual knows that's true.
That is a totally unfounded statement. Lose body mass? Is that why some vegetarians struggle with wieght gain? Getting stupid and weak? Did you realize you just basically called every vegetarian stupid and weak?
Your ability to speak about topics in which you have no clue continues to amaze me.
Quinbus Flestrin

Inman, SC

#18 May 9, 2009
I knew this Baptist preacher, a Republican of course, who had successions of dogs. They all lived miserable lives. He kept them chained up; and when one got sick, if Mother Nature didn't intervene it died.

One of his last dogs I remember walking up to at the doghouse where the preacher had this stake buried in the ground and the dog chained to the stake. The poor old dog was coughing and trembling in the cold January air and looked like it might die at any minute.

I asked the preacher what was wrong with the dog.

"He had the distemper," the preacher said.

"Did you take him to the vet?"

"Oh, no, the vet would have charged an arm and a leg and the dog would die anyway. I called Mr. Shope [a sort of country dairy farmer and quack vet], and he said once a dog has the distemper there's not much of anything you can do about it but make him comfortable and let him die."
__________

And then there was a paranoid neighbor I had who just had to have a guard dog chained up at the rear of his property "to ward off burglars and trespassers," he said. The dog was big and mean and looked to be about half doberman or rottweiler and the other half German police. When that dog snarled it would make the cold chills run up and down your back.

One day I was out in the yard spreading compost when I kinda felt the hackles come up on my back and I turned around and there was that huge dog stalking me and just about ready to lunge. The chain and stake still attached were slowing him down or he might have chewed me up. I ran in the house and called the neighbor and asked him to come get his dog. The man had the nerve to ask me to wait until he had finished a beer.

That was the most pitiful dog. In my mind right now I can hear him wailing. How sad, I thought, to live a live in chains! The dog wanted so much to be loved and all he got was a pan full of dry food and a pan of water. Every time the old man came out to feed him and then left, the dog would wail most pitifully. One day it finally got the best of me and I gave the man a good cussing. But it didn't do any good.

The dog lived a short wretched life and then died, and the old doghouse is still out there in the back yard, caving in. I was glad the man never put another dog out there to live in loneliness and misery.

And I noticed after the dog was gone, the rat problem resolved. We quit having rats all over the neighborhood because the man quit putting out so much extra food for the dog. At one time the neighborhood was plagued with swarms of rats, and I do believe that was the source of them.
Henry

Fletcher, NC

#20 May 9, 2009
No one is mandating building a fence. Just keep your dogs in the house and you are fine. We have bred animals to be social and part of our families. One of the worst things you can do to a dog is put him or her on a chain in isolation. It drives them crazy and makes them aggressive.

“Conservative for America”

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#21 May 9, 2009
Henry wrote:
No one is mandating building a fence. Just keep your dogs in the house and you are fine. We have bred animals to be social and part of our families. One of the worst things you can do to a dog is put him or her on a chain in isolation. It drives them crazy and makes them aggressive.
Oddly, caring people put dogs on tethers so they wont be couped up inside while the owners are away.
Buncy da Baptist

Banner Elk, NC

#22 May 10, 2009
yona wrote:
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Oddly, caring people put dogs on tethers so they wont be couped up inside while the owners are away.
That I do not agree with.

If a dog is on a long run of line, like a clothesline, with a chain running on a ring up and down the line, that can work, at least for a while, as long as there's shelter and you don't leave him there. It's better than being on a stake and chain.

I know some Alsatian sheepdogs that never go outside the electric fence. They are utterly beautiful and happy dogs.

Back in the 80's I hired this character as an investigator. He had good credentials but seemed a little odd. First thing that irritated me about him was he bought a pup and tied the poor little thing up outside. Before long the pup took sick and died. I warned him not to leave that pup tied up outside.

In some cases at the office he'd get all excited and red in the face, and in others he'd go lazy and nap and procrastinate.

I teased him one day about some very aggressive "peeping" he did in a domestic case where we needed motel surveillance on a married woman who was running around, and it made him mad as hell. He took another job here in Asheville, and it wasn't long until I read in the paper that he'd been caught with his nose up against somebody's bedroom window and charged as a peeping tom.

After that I made sure I never hired anybody that I suspected would be cruel to a dog. A person who is cruel to a dog, in my book, is lower than a chicken thief.

Another necessity for dogs is exercise, and that's why I'm about to take mine to the park for some wholesome running. Cesar Milan (The Dog Whisperer) says problem dogs are that way often because they are not getting any exercise.

So if you tie a dog up and don't assure it gets plenty of exercise, I suspect you are probably a very flawed human being, and may even be a peeper.

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