Nurses accused of stealing drugs from...

Nurses accused of stealing drugs from patients

There are 28 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from May 19, 2008, titled Nurses accused of stealing drugs from patients. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Police arrested two Mars Hill Retirement Community nurse assistants on allegations they stole the medication from patients and replaced it with Tylenol, Police Chief David Lewis said.

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Matt

Asheville, NC

#1 May 20, 2008
Here are you pain meds Mrs.Johnson,one for you and one for me.
Caramel creme

United States

#2 May 20, 2008
The article says nurses assistants, not nurses.

“PO'd Puddy Cat”

Since: Jan 08

Asheville NC

#3 May 20, 2008
I can't think of a punishment bad enough for these two. Letting these people go in pain while they steal the medication.
huh

Asheville, NC

#4 May 20, 2008
I thought only RNs or LPNs could dispense medications?
Burnsville RN

Spruce Pine, NC

#5 May 20, 2008
Sadly, nurse assistants can take a short course to administer medications. They are commonly mistaken for licensed nurses as you see by the misleading title of the article by the Citizen Times. Retirement centers have more relaxed regulations on licensed staff & commonly use unlicensed staff wherever possible to save money.

“Not as smart as I look.....”

Since: Oct 07

Leicester

#6 May 20, 2008
Sick witches. I hope they both burn.
southeastsweetie

United States

#7 May 20, 2008
This article insults nurses... A CNA IS NOT a nurse!!! These 2 took a 3-6week class to be a
"med tech". Facilities wanting to save the almighty $$$ have med techs, which are glorified CNA's!!!

I hope both of these low lifes are punished to the fullest! They are the lowest of the low, diverting medication from an elderly person in pain!
Dionysis

Greenville, SC

#8 May 20, 2008
Caramel creme wrote:
The article says nurses assistants, not nurses.
Right. This is just sloppiness on the part of the newspaper. Calling nursing assistants 'nurses' is tantamount to referring to EMTs as doctors.
local

Inman, SC

#9 May 20, 2008
I believe ALL nursing homes should have video surveillance cameras watching EVERYTHING all the time!

I have worked in several and have had suspicions about the care and the medicines given - or not given. Almost without fail, when I complained to the higher ups, I was considered a 'trouble maker'.

ALL of the facilities I have ever been in, including the 'fancy' ones, hire the cheapest help they can find, which includes CNA 'med techs'. It is very difficult to find good help at low wages, and often they hire whatever fills out an application and can spell its name.

If the public would demand video cameras all over the buildings, including the patients' rooms, care would dramatically improve!

More often than not, it is a nurse who is not giving medicine 'as prescribed'. I have known more than one nurse who got a nursing home job so they could have access to all those narcotics.

I don't know of a single nursing home I would leave a loved one in without monitoring the care somehow.

“Don't blame me. I voted.”

Since: Feb 08

Sylva, NC

#10 May 20, 2008
southeastsweetie wrote:
This article insults nurses... A CNA IS NOT a nurse!!! These 2 took a 3-6week class to be a
"med tech". Facilities wanting to save the almighty $$$ have med techs, which are glorified CNA's!!!
I hope both of these low lifes are punished to the fullest! They are the lowest of the low, diverting medication from an elderly person in pain!
I think the term would be "greed." These women have no consideration for others, they just wanted to make a profit. Sociopaths are like that, yes they are!!
NATIVE Mountain Educator

United States

#11 May 20, 2008
Lowest of the low!! Saving $$ seems to have been the single factor in placing these unqualified women in these positions to start with. Care at this center, or any other, is not cheap. The hard earned money of the residents should be utilized for their care and not to line some addict's pocket. I was hospitalized recently and had a CNA come to check my wound after major surgery. She didn't even wash her hands before or after touching it! However, the nurse with the BS degree did and gave much better care. More education for nurses!!
dadoh

Asheville, NC

#12 May 20, 2008
1. There are good CNA's, bad CNA's.. as well as good and bad Med.Tech's.
2. Just because you have RN creditials doesn't mean that you are the smartest of the bunch....
3. No amount of cameras will legistlate morality...
4. Cameras added to nursing homes mean higher costs...
5. God help us all......
local

Inman, SC

#13 May 20, 2008
And another thing- the title "CNA" is a misnomer.

There is no such thing as 'certified' nursing assistants.

They are really Nurses' Aides (NAs), either NA I or NA II, depending on whether they learned how to change dressings and catheters and such.

Folks just call the 'CNAs' to make them feel better about themselves or something.

There are a few good and caring NAs, just like there are a few good and caring LPNs and RNs.

But I would NEVER want a CNA giving me my medicine. In their short 'course' they are only told how to follow doctors' and nurses' instructions, not what adverse reactions or complications can be, nor how much is too much, nor which meds can't be mixed together, nor if the medicine seems to be effective or not. In assisted living facilities, they are allowed to administer narcotics, and I have seen them (when I worked as an aide) give unruly patients narcotics instead of finding diversional activities or assessing whether the behavior is related to pain, etc.

Yes, all businesses including nursing homes exist to make money, but to use aides to administer medicine is not the best way to save money. And this risk is taken so the administrative staff gets a good annual bonus.

I refuse to work and take the legal liability where aides give patients medicine. So I only have a handful of places in this area to choose from.
What

Lincolnton, NC

#14 May 20, 2008
southeastsweetie wrote:
This article insults nurses... A CNA IS NOT a nurse!!! These 2 took a 3-6week class to be a
"med tech". Facilities wanting to save the almighty $$$ have med techs, which are glorified CNA's!!!
I hope both of these low lifes are punished to the fullest! They are the lowest of the low, diverting medication from an elderly person in pain!
Actually, this article insults CNA's. My daughter is one and was raised around nursing homes her whole life. She has a huge heart and works twelve hour shifts doing work no one else would ever consider. She makes far less than she could elsewhere yet she is there trying to make a positive difference. She loves her patients and grieves when they pass after she's cautiously and respectfully done the postmortem care that, again, others will not do. I am proud of her and I caution those on here to put the blame on these two sick criminals and these two only!!
from Madison

Asheville, NC

#15 May 20, 2008
I actually think the insult was the action of these employees.
Hiker

AOL

#16 May 20, 2008
Addiction has no boundaries. It doesn't recognize a persons education. I've known of Doctors, Pharmacist, and Nurses who have the same problem. The treatment center are full of them. If you have an addiction problem, and have free access to the drugs that feeds it, well, that's a problem. It's so much more common than you think.
mnm

Maxton, NC

#17 May 20, 2008
I know several 'CNAs". They are good people wanting to do good things and either do not have the resources or have not yet furthered their education. Don't demean/judge them as a group. That's comprable to racism.
local

Inman, SC

#18 May 20, 2008
What wrote:
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Actually, this article insults CNA's. My daughter is one and was raised around nursing homes her whole life. She has a huge heart and works twelve hour shifts doing work no one else would ever consider. She makes far less than she could elsewhere yet she is there trying to make a positive difference. She loves her patients and grieves when they pass after she's cautiously and respectfully done the postmortem care that, again, others will not do. I am proud of her and I caution those on here to put the blame on these two sick criminals and these two only!!
If I ran a nursing home I would pay Nursing Aides the same as nurses. Their job is harder and more physically demanding, and it is true- it is a job most people would never do because the job duties are not very pleasant.

You cannot pay a good Nurse Aide enough. Praise God there are a few really good ones who do it for the right reason!

I would be willing to help sponsor a few good ones who really want to go to nursing school.
What

Lincolnton, NC

#19 May 20, 2008
Hiker wrote:
Addiction has no boundaries. It doesn't recognize a persons education. I've known of Doctors, Pharmacist, and Nurses who have the same problem. The treatment center are full of them. If you have an addiction problem, and have free access to the drugs that feeds it, well, that's a problem. It's so much more common than you think.
Indeed it is. It's criminal enough to steal the pills and one I can empathize with to some degree as it relates to addiction. I'm not sure I can be empathetic enough though for the "way" these two chose to get this medication. There are two kinds of addicts. Those that will kill for their addictions and those who will not. The later being a little easier to pull through. There may be a few stuck in the middle with extenuating and tragic circumstances but for the most part, I believe this to be true.

Local, I enjoyed reading you. I hope you'll make a CNA's day any chance you get! ;)
geez

Inman, SC

#20 May 20, 2008
The incorrect reference in the title to NURSES as opposed to NURSING ASSISTANTS insults no one but the paper itself - which has gotten sloppier by the day.

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