It's the Darwin crowd that lacks the facts in evolution debate

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I would like to respond to the letter 'Recent letter offered no examples of Darwinian disingenuousness,' . He responds to an article with, 'He says evolution is 'so riddled with holes,' yet fails to provide a ...

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#121987
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KAB wrote:
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Rivers flow from higher to lower, and they do so more aggressively when flooding, which occurs by surface influx, not bottom upwelling. A global upwelling flood would be entirely different. Common sense is no substitute for valid science.
Even if this were possible, the earth would have to be flat as a billiard for there to be no erosive water flow. Which it wasn't.

Let us not forget that you have previously admitted that you have no evidence of upwelling flooding not do you have any idea what it would look like. Shooting blanks seems to be your only field of expertise.

Funny you reference common sense. Too bad you have none.

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#121988
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"billiard table", that is.
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#121989
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You look at a genome and want to see if there is any pattern of differences in today's population that shows up the ancestral genealogy tree.
Some parts of the genome are highly conserved by natural selection. These probably wont show a good nested hierarchy because much change would be lethal.
However in some parts changes make little difference. These are the non-functional parts, at least as far as specific content goes. They may have use as filler.
Now, what happens in these parts? Perhaps some are stable, some semi-stable, and some unstable. Too stable and they are like the conserved parts - bits that hardly ever change tell us nothing. Bit that change too much - say for argument's sake, with every mother-daughter, then its too chaotic for any pattern.
But say we find a section that shows a good pattern of variation. Before we can establish any timescale, we first have to work out the pattern, such as we see with the haplotype trees. We establish the relationships based on a nested hierarchy.
Great so far. We can see, for example, that the US Native population comes from North Asia, etc. These kinds of things. But we still don't know how far back.
To do that we need a good estimate of the rate of change. And this boils down to how often we expect to see a mutation, and this can be estimated by looking at mother-daughter pairs today.
If there is a high rate of mutation (in THIS sequence), we would calibrate the whole tree with a short timespan. If there is a low rate, we would calibrate a whole tree with a long timespan.
Now, the question is whether the differing rates found in the studies you cited refer to the reference sequence or just any old part of the mtDNA. We need to find out if its apples and apples.
Just to repeat - the order is FIND the parts (sequences) of the mtDNA that reveal a pattern THEN calibrate the timing depending on the observable mutation rate.
Make sense?
To be clear, all parts of the mtDNA reveal patterns. The meaning/significance of each pattern depends, as you indicate, on the totality of the parameters at play. That stated, your explanation/description makes sense. In short, it's all in the rate, so what is the correct rate? Shall we proceed with that quest?
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#121990
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<quoted text>No you didn't go so far as to be totally honest. I don't think you have the courage and the strength to do that, but that is just my...everyone's opinion.
No I did not lie. I really can't understand why someone with no evidence that an event occurred would waste time arguing that it did.
I feel sorry for you. You are in quicksand and you are not only unaware, but gleefully doing all you can to sink.
I can't understand why someone with no evidence that an event occurred would waste time arguing that it did either. That's why I don't do it.

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#121991
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To be clear, all parts of the mtDNA reveal patterns. The meaning/significance of each pattern depends, as you indicate, on the totality of the parameters at play. That stated, your explanation/description makes sense. In short, it's all in the rate, so what is the correct rate? Shall we proceed with that quest?
Yes. Find the portions of mtdna that reveal a nested hierarchy, find the mutation rate of that portion, and calculate the timing of the branches from there.

Now, dont you think that is what the scientists who are experts in this research have done?
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#121992
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Dogen wrote:
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So that is 6 refutations of the myth of the flood.
At what point do you admit that the flood simply never happened and that the Bible is obviously wrong?
When the aggregate of the data, all of it, confirms that conclusion.

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#121993
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I can't understand why someone with no evidence that an event occurred would waste time arguing that it did either. That's why I don't do it.
That isn't true. You do that here all the time. You are chasing the dragon.

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#121994
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I can't understand why someone with no evidence that an event occurred would waste time arguing that it did either. That's why I don't do it.
WTF???
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#121995
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MikeF wrote:
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Thank you for the confirmation that you haven't the faintest idea of what either one of us was saying.
Correction. I know and knew exactly what was stated. I apparently didn't know what was meant since it wasn't what was stated. I'll try to keep that in mind for future reference.

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#121996
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When the aggregate of the data, all of it, confirms that conclusion.
So you admit you've lost. Honesty twice in a 24 hours period. Truly amazing.

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#121997
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Interesting that you encourage honesty while admitting you lied. I would never do that, but that's just me. You're the psychological professional here (?). Personally, what I wouldn't give for your professional assistance is anything!

This is a lie.

You are incorrigible!

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#121998
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Fortunately, each observer gets to draw his own conclusions. He doesn't have to accept the personal declarations (hornblowing) of the participants.

"That's the great thing about science, there's no right or wrong answers" - Zack, Big bang theory

Sorry Zack, it don't work that way.

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#121999
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Did I state the point has NO evidence supporting it? Did you make a mistake, or lie?

You have no honest idea how you present to others.

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KAB wrote:
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Correction. I know and knew exactly what was stated. I apparently didn't know what was meant since it wasn't what was stated. I'll try to keep that in mind for future reference.

Your knowledge of English is questionable. You are an uneducated rube attempting to pose as an intellectual. If you have fooled yourself that brings your total to 1.

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#122001
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KAB wrote:
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When the aggregate of the data, all of it, confirms that conclusion.

Is that how science works?

Since I realize you have never had a science class in your life I will give you the answer.

No, it isn't.

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So you admit you've lost. Honesty twice in a 24 hours period. Truly amazing.

He is too deluded to understand the implications of his own statement.

Dubs (rank and file JW members) are not allowed to have a brain. Cult orders.

I don't know how much you know about the JW's, but there are actually 2 cults. The JW followers and the overcult, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society (WBTS).

The JW (aka dubs) are told that the world could end tomorrow and give billions to the WBTS.

The WBTS knows better. Does a group that really believes the world could end tomorrow accumulate billions in real estate and become a listed corporation?

You can do the math. KAB clearly can't.

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#122003
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WTF???

This is part of KAB's mental masturbation. He pretends he is not arguing FOR the flood and only that he is critical of the evidence against it.

Seriously.
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#122004
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Even if this were possible, the earth would have to be flat as a billiard for there to be no erosive water flow. Which it wasn't.
Let us not forget that you have previously admitted that you have no evidence of upwelling flooding not do you have any idea what it would look like. Shooting blanks seems to be your only field of expertise.
Funny you reference common sense. Too bad you have none.
Imagine sea level rising relatively slowly and uniformly earthwide (i.e., evident result of upwelling from springs of the watery deep (Genesis). How much erosion will that water creeping slowly and uniformly upslope everywhere at once cause?

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#122005
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Imagine sea level rising relatively slowly and uniformly earthwide (i.e., evident result of upwelling from springs of the watery deep (Genesis). How much erosion will that water creeping slowly and uniformly upslope everywhere at once cause?
So you are conceding that the Grand Canyon could not have been formed by a flood. You are conceding that all the explanations relating to a fast moving flood are wrong. Looks like we are getting somewhere after all.
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#122006
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Yes. Find the portions of mtdna that reveal a nested hierarchy, find the mutation rate of that portion, and calculate the timing of the branches from there.
Now, dont you think that is what the scientists who are experts in this research have done?
Here's your favorite mtDNA hap tree (nested hierarchy galore?).

http://phylotree.org/

Note it's based on the entire mtDNA genome. Now we just need the confirmed mutation rate which generated that tree to know how long it took. Where are those direct mother-daughter mtDNA Full Genomic Sequence comparisons when you need them?

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