Minimum wage increase gets passed on ...

Minimum wage increase gets passed on to consumers

There are 19 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from Sep 10, 2008, titled Minimum wage increase gets passed on to consumers. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Comments on Topix forums : Sarah Osmer's guest commentary, 'Struggles for worker justice take on new urgency, intensity,' , argued that government should guarantee a 'living wage' and reveals a misunderstanding ...

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RAISED POR

Hickory, NC

#1 Sep 10, 2008
You know, everyone knows even $8.00/hr is not enough to pay rent, buy groceries and raise a couple of children. My husband and I were fortunate that we always made a decent wage and always had a job and didn't always have to worry about getting the next paycheck like our parents did. I don't mind paying a little bit more to give people "yes, living wage" a chance. I'd rather pay more for a person struggling to buy food, than pay more to support some executive's million dollar bonuses. That being said, I agree with a minimum wage law.
Frank Rizzo

Raleigh, NC

#2 Sep 10, 2008
Take notice that the recent rise in unemployment happened at the exact same time as the minimum wage increase.

"You know, everyone knows even $8.00/hr is not enough to pay rent, buy groceries and raise a couple of children. "

If you have a couple children and are earning minimum wage it is because of the poor choices you have made in your life.

Since: Feb 07

Asheville, NC

#3 Sep 10, 2008
It is impossible to make someone worth [$8] by making it illegal for anyone to offer him less.
The writer makes excellent comments and shows how this government interference in the natural economy is not wrong because it's impractical, but impractical because it's wrong.
joeschmo

Maxton, NC

#4 Sep 10, 2008
it was long overdue. to complain about unemployment is fine but it had nothing to due with raising the wage, the economy sucks thats the unemployment answer.
Mountain Man

Great Falls, MT

#5 Sep 10, 2008
I own a business that used to employ 15 minimum wage teenagers
that were still living at home with mommy and daddy and therefore, paid no rent.

When minimum wage went up, I fired three of the teenagers in order
to pay the minimum wage increase of the remaining twelve.

I purchased automatic "robotic" machinery to replace the fired three.
You don't have to pay wages to automatic machinery

RAISED POR wrote:
You know, everyone knows even $8.00/hr is not enough to pay rent, buy groceries and raise a couple of children.


The above is just left-wing liberal sheeple talking points

According the the US Bureau of Labor & Statistics, an OVERWHELMING majority (80+ percent)
of people earning minimum wage are teenagers still living at home with mommy and daddy.





Yep

Asheville, NC

#6 Sep 10, 2008
joeschmo wrote:
it was long overdue. to complain about unemployment is fine but it had nothing to due with raising the wage, the economy sucks thats the unemployment answer.
every time minimum wage is increased or wages are mandated, JOBS are LOST, its PROVEN. the 'living wage' clowns are simple ignorant.
joeschmo

Maxton, NC

#7 Sep 10, 2008
show some independent proof, its not there. there is something called inflation and it effects what the minimum wage should be.
alekas

Glen Ellyn, IL

#8 Sep 10, 2008
RAISED POR wrote:
You know, everyone knows even $8.00/hr is not enough to pay rent, buy groceries and raise a couple of children. My husband and I were fortunate that we always made a decent wage and always had a job and didn't always have to worry about getting the next paycheck like our parents did. I don't mind paying a little bit more to give people "yes, living wage" a chance. I'd rather pay more for a person struggling to buy food, than pay more to support some executive's million dollar bonuses. That being said, I agree with a minimum wage law.
You and your husband weren't "fortunate", it wasn't some cosmic accident that you earned good money, key word being 'earned'. You had the skill set and experience to command something better than minimum.
There is nothing that stops folks making $8 an hour from doing the same thing.

People don't struggle because of mean employers; they tend to struggle because of poor choices that they, and they alone, make. If you support the notion of a govt-mandated minimum wage, at some point you can be talked into a govt-mandated maximum wage.

Biggest lie in this debate - that legions are raising families on minimum wage salaries. Please. I've had two kids go through college and both made more than minimum then. My stepdaughter is a high schools senior and started working in a grocery store last year for more than minimum.
Raised Poor

Huntsville, AL

#9 Sep 10, 2008
Frank Rizzo wrote:
Take notice that the recent rise in unemployment happened at the exact same time as the minimum wage increase.
"You know, everyone knows even $8.00/hr is not enough to pay rent, buy groceries and raise a couple of children. "
If you have a couple children and are earning minimum wage it is because of the poor choices you have made in your life.
The recent rise in unemployment is not the minimum wage laws, it's the cost of oil, and manufacturing jobs going South and off shore. Many of the laid off people here in the U.S. had high tech jobs and got good educations. My son has been looking for a different job for about a year to better himself further and he has a Master's degree and is finding it very difficult to find a job even though he is willing to relocate.
Worth Repeating

Great Falls, MT

#10 Sep 10, 2008
joeschmo wrote:
it was long overdue. to complain about unemployment is fine but it had nothing to due with raising the wage, the economy sucks thats the unemployment answer.


I own a business that used to employ 15 minimum wage teenagers
that were still living at home with mommy and daddy and therefore, paid no rent.

When minimum wage went up, I fired three of the teenagers in order
to pay the minimum wage increase of the remaining twelve.

I purchased automatic "robotic" machinery to replace the fired three.
You don't have to pay wages to automatic machinery

RAISED POR wrote:
You know, everyone knows even $8.00/hr is not enough to pay rent, buy groceries and raise a couple of children.

The above is just left-wing liberal sheeple talking points

According the the US Bureau of Labor & Statistics,
an OVERWHELMING majority (80+ percent)
of people earning minimum wage are
teenagers still living at home with mommy and daddy.

OUTSPOKEN

Princeton Junction, NJ

#11 Sep 10, 2008
Wages are a big problem - in fact our politicians are already discussing the next raise. Its a political tool that everyone weighs in on. Its multi diminisional that defies a reasonable solution.
All are affected, the cost of labor, the cost of a product or benefit or the cost of living. Even in death there are labor costs.
In our capitalist system, costs and profit clashes.
Surprise - it is not a surprise to many that without labor, somewhere and somehow, there would be no goods and services.
So what is the beef?
Frank Rizzo

Raleigh, NC

#12 Sep 10, 2008
joeschmo,

What wage do you pay your lowest paid employees at your business?

Oh, you don't own a business?

Well how about starting one and having your lowest wage at what you currently think other business owners should have as their minimum pay.

Put your money where your mouth is instead of demanding others do with theirs what you want them to.
O Really

United States

#13 Sep 10, 2008
The argument on minimum wage is always "can't feed a family on that" vs. "friggin gummint messing with my business." Assuming the above quoted stats to be close, that over 80% of minimum wage people are teenagers living at home, then a more cogent argument is that the market has overtaken minimum wage and thus made it obsolete. Minimum wage originally went into effect (at .25/hr.) in 1938, when there was a large number of desparate unemployed, and without the minimum wage, were being paid as little as .50 a DAY. Unemployment, even with a recent rise, is still generally under 6% and, as has been pointed out, you can't even hire illegals for minimum wage. So one argument goes that if there were no minimum wage, nobody would notice because at this point the market is working fairly well. That works for skilled jobs. However, that market works less well for those at the lower end of the food chain, and it is probably not in the best interest of the economy overall to create another large group of desparate people such as existed toward the end of the depression. In any case, if you believe the 80% teenager figure, the current increase in minimum wage couldn't have that much of an impact on overall prices or employment, and no credible economist has found that to be true.
O Really

United States

#14 Sep 10, 2008
That's "desperate" people, LOL!
joeschmo

Maxton, NC

#15 Sep 10, 2008
Frank I own my own business as in I am technically an independent contractor. I agree that people need to work for better wages and they do but their are situations where employers take advantage of their workers. to pay someone less than $7-$8 / hour today is in my opinion taking advantage of them. TO say that unemployment is tied to minimum wage increase is stupid, the economy is dead, that is the reason for unemployment.

If politician do this often then it is a toll that they use to get reelected but it has been a long time since the last raise and it was due.

and Frank what about you since you made this personal for some reason, you must own a business? what do you pay your lowest employee?
Frank Rizzo

Raleigh, NC

#16 Sep 10, 2008
Joe,

I do not own a business, nor do I presume to tell employers what they should, or worse, must pay their employers.
McPain N Ailin

Taylorsville, NC

#17 Sep 10, 2008
Boo hoooo.

My Big Macs just went up to $6.55.

“born here/raised here”

Since: Jun 07

asheville

#18 Sep 10, 2008
it needs to be passed on! if we dont pay at the register, we will just pay more taxes later, because all the people cant live on such low pay and they have to have govt help
Scott Clifton

Asheville, NC

#19 Sep 10, 2008
Actually, the letter should have read "And the first thing that happens when the minimum wage is raised, say, to $8 an hour, is that no employer who believes an employee is not worth his “price” of $8 an hour *will employ him at all*," not "will not be employed at all." Obviously, the employer still has his job!

Thanks for the comments, folks.

- Scott Clifton

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