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Samantha M

Asheville, NC

#1 Feb 22, 2010
I am in the process of organizing a protest in front of the DSS in Buncombe County where we can picket and raise our voices against the corruption of the Child Protective division. I would like to get the word out to anyone who wants to participate, even if they live in Madison, Haywood, Henderson, or any other WNC County.

These people are corrupt, they're illegally taking children from homes where there is no abuse and we need to raise people's awareness to the fact that it only takes 1 phone call and anyone can become part of an investigation whether a complaint has any merit or not.

What's the best way to get the word out?
Southern B

Mill Spring, NC

#2 Feb 22, 2010
It only takes one phone call for DSS to be obligated by law to do an investigation. Most calls are found to be unsubstantiated but the law requires them to check into it. Seems to me if you want to complain about DSS you should not be ignorant of the laws they have to follow.
Mudder Hoss

AOL

#3 Feb 22, 2010
Southern B wrote:
It only takes one phone call for DSS to be obligated by law to do an investigation. Most calls are found to be unsubstantiated but the law requires them to check into it. Seems to me if you want to complain about DSS you should not be ignorant of the laws they have to follow.
Exactly!
Angry Voter

Sanford, NC

#4 Feb 22, 2010
Thats the IDEA to force CHANGE of DSS LAWS!!!
Angry Voter

Sanford, NC

#5 Feb 22, 2010
http://www.FightCPS.com

Sign the petition for CHANGE!!!
Samantha M

Asheville, NC

#6 Feb 22, 2010
I am not ignorant of the laws with regards to a complaint being filed and yes I know they are required to follow it and investigate it. I however have been told my law enforcement that over 95 percent of the time, there is nothing to the complaint however a case is never closed. It is permanently open from that point on whether they found any validity or not.

I personally know of people who have had DSS called on them 9 times or more with nothing ever substantiated and I know the people who call in on them are using this as a form of harassment and that's where those people should be charged with filing a false report, just as if a person files a false police report.
Samantha M

Asheville, NC

#7 Feb 22, 2010
Angry Voter wrote:
Thats the IDEA to force CHANGE of DSS LAWS!!!
This is what I'm trying to achieve is to force DSS to change the laws and to start holding them criminally accountable when a child is seriously injured or killed because of their negligence. Losing their job when an innocent child is killed is not acceptable. They should be charged with a crime and be able to be sued for everything they own. When enough people start to raise their voice and be heard, they won't be able to turn a deaf ear. Even if I have to rally the people for a 5 million person march on Washington DC, they won't ignore us any more.
Samantha M

Asheville, NC

#8 Feb 22, 2010
Mudder Hoss wrote:
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Exactly!
The two of you sound like social workers. I know the laws and even DSS and Buncombe County Sheriff deputies have personally told me the system is broken. If everyone acknowledges that the system is broken, don't you think someone should fix it?

Of course I know that most social workers aren't educated and lack common sense so I wouldn't expect them to be able to fix anything.
Doberman

Candler, NC

#9 Feb 22, 2010
Samantha M wrote:
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This is what I'm trying to achieve is to force DSS to change the laws and to start holding them criminally accountable when a child is seriously injured or killed because of their negligence. Losing their job when an innocent child is killed is not acceptable. They should be charged with a crime and be able to be sued for everything they own. When enough people start to raise their voice and be heard, they won't be able to turn a deaf ear. Even if I have to rally the people for a 5 million person march on Washington DC, they won't ignore us any more.
I have read your several posts Samantha and I do agree that DSS/Child Protective Services should be studied and revamped. I personally know of two cases that were investigated by DSS. One, I felt that the follow up was not adequate and the second, I feel that they hung onto the case way too long. The second case had complaints filed by a tenant of the family. The parents in the second case were trying to evict the tenant who had not paid rent in four months. If I may offer some constructive criticism, you sound terribly unorganized. It seems if your thought pattern is scattered, evidenced by several posts. In one instance I think you were saying that DSS had too much power and in another to sue and hold individuals accountable if a child dies because of their lack of investigation/supervision. I think you you would be better off to get with some other individuals who are interested in this cause and write up a very thorough and comprehensive press release to have available to any and all. Use as many facts as you can. Saying that DSS Case Workers are uneducated is not to your benefit because in NC they require them to have a BS degree. Work toward educating lawmakers as to actual cases and where the changes need to be. Provide them with suggestions and maybe a plan. Good luck!
troll

United States

#10 Feb 22, 2010
Southern B wrote:
It only takes one phone call for DSS to be obligated by law to do an investigation. Most calls are found to be unsubstantiated but the law requires them to check into it. Seems to me if you want to complain about DSS you should not be ignorant of the laws they have to follow.
DSS Child Protective Service in Buncombe County ain't worth a chit. Sorry azzes all up in there.
Samantha M

Asheville, NC

#11 Feb 23, 2010
Doberman wrote:
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I have read your several posts Samantha and I do agree that DSS/Child Protective Services should be studied and revamped. I personally know of two cases that were investigated by DSS. One, I felt that the follow up was not adequate and the second, I feel that they hung onto the case way too long. The second case had complaints filed by a tenant of the family. The parents in the second case were trying to evict the tenant who had not paid rent in four months. If I may offer some constructive criticism, you sound terribly unorganized. It seems if your thought pattern is scattered, evidenced by several posts. In one instance I think you were saying that DSS had too much power and in another to sue and hold individuals accountable if a child dies because of their lack of investigation/supervision. I think you you would be better off to get with some other individuals who are interested in this cause and write up a very thorough and comprehensive press release to have available to any and all. Use as many facts as you can. Saying that DSS Case Workers are uneducated is not to your benefit because in NC they require them to have a BS degree. Work toward educating lawmakers as to actual cases and where the changes need to be. Provide them with suggestions and maybe a plan. Good luck!
My thought pattern may come across as being scattered because I have to learn to take my personal emotions out of what I want to accomplish, and write my books on the information I'm obtaining.

Also keep in mind that my book is being written on CPS on a national level and while I will be using some of the personal stories with regards to Buncombe County DSS, it's only because I'm more familiar with what goes on here. They may require people here to have a B.S Degree, but that is not the case on a national level. There are many CPS agencies where investigators aren't even licensed.
Robert T

Asheville, NC

#12 Feb 23, 2010
troll wrote:
<quoted text> DSS Child Protective Service in Buncombe County ain't worth a chit. Sorry azzes all up in there.
Buncombe County DSS has a reputation as being one of the worst agencies in the country, so I hope the city of Asheville is proud of that fact. Even there own social workers have issues with domestic violence in their own home.
Southern B

Mill Spring, NC

#13 Feb 23, 2010
Robert T wrote:
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Buncombe County DSS has a reputation as being one of the worst agencies in the country, so I hope the city of Asheville is proud of that fact. Even there own social workers have issues with domestic violence in their own home.
Buncombe County DSS has one the best reputations in the state that is backed up continuing to score well in biannual reviews. The City of Asheville does not provide any funding to social services. It really amazes me how folks complain about things when they know nothing about the facts, state laws and policies. And no I am not a social worker.
Slingblade

AOL

#14 Feb 23, 2010
Samantha M wrote:
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My thought pattern may come across as being scattered because I have to learn to take my personal emotions out of what I want to accomplish, and write my books on the information I'm obtaining.
Also keep in mind that my book is being written on CPS on a national level and while I will be using some of the personal stories with regards to Buncombe County DSS, it's only because I'm more familiar with what goes on here. They may require people here to have a B.S Degree, but that is not the case on a national level. There are many CPS agencies where investigators aren't even licensed.
Sooo, you have an ulterior motive!!! You want a protest as fodder for your book! You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You are simply misleading some poor old souls! Shame, shame, shame!
Samantha M

Asheville, NC

#15 Feb 23, 2010
Slingblade wrote:
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Sooo, you have an ulterior motive!!! You want a protest as fodder for your book! You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You are simply misleading some poor old souls! Shame, shame, shame!
I don't know what you're talking about and I have nothing to be ashamed about. What is shameful is that DSS is kidnapping children because they're getting paid to do so whether there's any validity to an allegation or not. I do not have any children, but I see the damage it is causing to children all across this country.

By the way, 100 percent of the profits from this book will be going to help change legislation. By the way, we've already got 4 senators on board, and we're working on more. Not bad considering we just started. Should DSS workers be worried about this book? Absolutely because it's going to expose them for what they're doing.
Cornbread1

United States

#16 Feb 23, 2010
Samantha M wrote:
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The two of you sound like social workers. I know the laws and even DSS and Buncombe County Sheriff deputies have personally told me the system is broken. If everyone acknowledges that the system is broken, don't you think someone should fix it?
Of course I know that most social workers aren't educated and lack common sense so I wouldn't expect them to be able to fix anything.
speaking of education, DSS can't change laws. Laws are enacted by the Legislative branch, in this case the state legislature. You might want to voice your concerns to them or better yet, go to work for DSS yourself and lead from the front.
Man Up or Shut Up

Johnson City, TN

#17 Feb 23, 2010
Samantha, I don't really understand what exactly it is you are protesting. Yes, there are problems at DSS just as there are problems with EVERY bureaucratic agency.

You're upset because it only takes one anonymous phone call to initiate an investigation by DSS. Just how many calls do you think DSS should allow before looking into a complaint of a defenseless child being abused or molested? I think one phone call is plenty.

In one example you rave about DSS taking no action after receiving 9 complaints for one family and then in the same sentence state that the complaints were only filed as a form of harassment against the family. You are upset because no one from DSS has filed charges against the complainants. So, you would rather them waste their time charging false filers than spending their time protecting our children?

You also state that you are attempting to force DSS to change the laws. DSS does not have the power to change laws, only your state's leaders can do that. Why don't you implore the four senators in your pocket to change the laws?

I could go on, but I think you get my point. My advice is to quit listening to law enforcement officers (of which I am) who quote you statistics that they have no idea about and take a walk in the shoes of the very people you are complaining about. It just might change your perspective of a horrible job where you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.
Lawyer

Banner Elk, NC

#18 Feb 23, 2010
Samantha M wrote:
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The two of you sound like social workers. I know the laws and even DSS and Buncombe County Sheriff deputies have personally told me the system is broken. If everyone acknowledges that the system is broken, don't you think someone should fix it?
Of course I know that most social workers aren't educated and lack common sense so I wouldn't expect them to be able to fix anything.
Your comment shows that you lack an eduction. If you had one, you would know that social workers have either bachelors or masters degrees. If you wish to protest the system, spend your time in Raleigh or Washington. A protest in Asheville will accomplish nothing for your cause.
John

Ava, MO

#19 Feb 23, 2010
Have you seen this site?

http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/
Samantha M

Asheville, NC

#20 Feb 24, 2010
Cornbread1 wrote:
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speaking of education, DSS can't change laws. Laws are enacted by the Legislative branch, in this case the state legislature. You might want to voice your concerns to them or better yet, go to work for DSS yourself and lead from the front.
I have already been in contact with Congressman Shuler, Senator Burr, Senator Hagan, and we have already contacted Governor Perdue as well. We know the laws will have to be changed with legislation and not within the Department of Social Services.

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