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Governor Bev Purdue should be impeached!

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Marie Parsons

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I think that people who think teachers have just been whining about their low salaries haven't got a clue about what it is like to face a classroom of 22-28 students with at least four or five among the group that will do everything possible to distract the class from the very important lesson. Teachers send a disruptive student out of the class to have the same student return the next day just as determined to disrupt as he was the day before. There are not many options. Some parents do not believe that their little angel could be holding the entire class hostage to their ridiculous sense of humor and the need to entertain the class. It is such a foreign thought any more to a large percentage of students that the 90 minutes classes are for the sole purpose of learning, not listening to music or texting on their phone, or chatting with their friend in the class while the teacher is trying to teach over the roar of their voices. If it is a computer class, the teacher has to be on constant watch to keep the little angels from going to games or other places on the internet besides the computer lesson they have been directed to stay on. The teacher ends up spending time policing where the students are rather than bring them forward with new knowledge. Teachers usually will give all the directions to the entire class so that everyone will be on the same page and then hopefully go around the class and help everyone work through the lesson. This is the plan, but what usually happens is that about a third of those students were chatting, texting, or checking their phone and missed all the directions completely. This means that instead of helping the students get through the lesson and moving forward, much of the class is spent catching the students who were busy with their own personal agenda, catching them up. Teachers definitely should have more money, but even more than that, I think they need more support. They should have an added support person in the class if needed for as long as needed. They should have a class for freshmen on how to behave and what is expected of them in the classrooms. I love technology as well as anyone, but many teenagers cannot be expected to act responsibly with cell phones and iPods. How can teachers compete with that? The sad part is how much anger is generated by the teachers when the students are caught using their phones or iPods during class. I have seen students who go through an entire semester, who are placed in a class, and do not even lift a hand to try to pass the class, do everything they can to distract the class and defy the teacher. When I have asked them why they are not working, I hear something like, "I don't care, I have a 32 in this class." If the students are not trying and they are being disruptive, get them out of the class, so the rest of the class will have a chance to get the material. I think when a student starts failing they should be put into a remediation program to get them caught up. This leads me to say, if teachers have students like this, and the student fails the class, the student should not be allowed to take the class again for free. The student or the parent should have to pay to take the class over. I think this would bring a lot more responsibility to the student and eliminate the clowning around and a lot of expense to the school. I believe this would give parents more incentive to help the school system encourage their students to do their best in their classes. Just think about it, if a person takes college classes and they fail, guess what, they pay to take it again, so high school students are fortunate, they do not have to pay for the first time. I am sorry for the length of this reply, but there is more to it than meets the eye. This is the reason that there are so many would be teachers turning away from the teaching profession. Teachers are not getting the respect or pay that they deserve. Bev Purdue will have only one term we pray.

“California Real ID”

Since: Oct 08

Santa Cruz, CA

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Can you imagine being the responsible adult on a locked psychiatric unit with 8 out of 17 patients who are adolescents suffering from oppositional disorder, psychosis, agitated depression, suicidal and so on... maybe you can imagine that.

I don't think it's a question of respect or money. Some of your students are bored, some of them are mentally ill, some of them are hungry, some are depressed, some are abused, some are not angels, some really don't care, some willfully do not conform, and most will be compliant teenagers. If you worked with adults instead of with adolescents you might find it more enjoyable.

OTOH, having to be accountable to the federal gooberment for the students' outcomes is really an extra entity in the class room that you do not need. Have you ever heard of doctors complaining about 'cook book medicine'(I have). Regulatory agencies, bureaucrats, are plaguing teachers now more than ever, aren't they? It that true?
Marie Parsons

Louisburg, NC

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You have some great points. It seems that sometimes rules are made and thrown at the schools that do not make a lot of sense. Then systems are stuck with them whether they make sense or not. People just need to admit, well maybe it seemed like a good idea but it just didn't work. Let's try something else. They should look at the school systems that work and take hints from them.
Schools are not run efficiently. I think they should run them more as colleges run They should group more by ability than by age. Children who need more time would benefit more by not having students who learn more quickly in the same classroom. God has the perfect plan. We are all different and have different levels of knowledge on different subjects. I would much prefer to be in a classroom with students at my level than in a classroom where some of the students already know the material and are bored with me asking the questions they have already got. I hate to say it but sometimes I just figure that I will figure it out for myself and keep quiet. Public school classrooms have too many levels of needs in the same classroom to be efficient. It might even be possible to reduce the time needed for some students to get through the material and this would be time that could be spent for students who need more time. I think students would be more motivated and less bored if they could move through the material at a quicker level, perhaps get through high school sooner and get on with starting college.

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Marie, you said "Public school classrooms have too many levels of needs in the same classroom to be efficient." I am not a teacher but that rings true. In my simple way, I could say that we don't mix newborns with acute psychiatric patients and intensive care - all on the same unit, the staff would be hard pressed to meet expectations and would go mad.

I tend to think that teachers and nurses are capable professionals but we cannot be everything to everybody. It is unfortunate if what we have is a one size fits all approach and standardized test scores are the goal - Lake Woebegone, where all of the children are above average, is a radio show after all.

Shocking to think schools are not run efficiently. Look at health care! LOL (see government mandated DRGs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagnosis-relate... )

You said, "Children who need more time would benefit more by not having students who learn more quickly in the same classroom. God has the perfect plan. We are all different and have different levels of knowledge on different subjects." I'm sorry Marie, it sounds like you are being realistic, you are identifying problems, you are formulating plans with current boots on the ground experience, you are thinking through an approach that recognizes students as individuals. I think we did that a long time ago. Now what do we do?

I hope you will find, or create, a milieu that fulfills your desire to teach and fits God's perfect plan.
Marie Parsons

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Hello Zonga,
Your take on my reply is so interesting. I get so tired, don't you, of people griping about things without any reasonable answers to the problem. It seems that the folks in charge do not use a lot of common sense anymore in its care of its citizens. They just seem to take care of the people who are handing out the money so that person can continue to make a lot of money, no matter what the results are for the taxpayers. Sometimes, the ridiculous things that are being asked for in our country’s budget amaze me. What were they thinking when our government allowed so many jobs to go over seas, instead of bargaining with the employees about wages and benefits. Why couldn’t the government at least step in and offer to bargain with the company to see what it would take to keep them here. Now is it so surprising that there is not as much tax revenue? Instead of receiving tax revenue, our government now gets to pay it out to the jobless citizens. Now they want to raise taxes to make up for the lost funding. What a farce. I believe many of our problems come from having people in Senate and House who are out of touch with the taxpayers needs. None of them should be able to serve more than 2 terms. I wonder if any of them look at the long-term effects of their actions.

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Marie, I don't get tired of people complaining about their jobs because usually there is nothing they can do to correct the problems - they do not have the power to change the conditions, rules, expectations and so on, but they can quit.

The when a job seems hopeless or the management is not concerned with valid safety issues, efficiency, serving the customer, the best thing to do is find another place to work, and after the new job has been offered and accepted quit the old job, and move on. Or while still in the old unsatisfactory job go to night school, get training or qualification for something completely different.

If I was a young person I'd go to the community college at night and learn medical coding - DRG and so on (see above link.) The government has been 'perfecting' and expanding their alpha numeric system for classification of treatment and disease for over 30 years, it is not going to go away. A medical background is not necessary to learn medical coding. Every hospital has a huge medical records department with lots of coders working in pleasant offices. Each and every medical record has to be abstracted by a medical coder.(We are not likely to run out of medical records any time soon either...)

I think the government is already way too involved in most things, so, I cannot root for the government to get even more involved in anything.

Term limits would be fine - but it would be even better if voters just woke up and put more thought into individual candidates rather than just allowing themselves to pull the lever for a straight ticket. North Carolina had three (3) candidates on the ballot last November for governor - a Republican, a Democrat, and Dr. Michael Munger an economics professor at Duke, and a Libertarian. What could be better than an econ professor for governor? The NC Libertarian party is full of good people. Many dissatisfied North Carolinians will be looking for candidates outside the same old same old in future elections. And frankly, have you ever noticed how many state, county and city candidates run unopposed?

Glad you understand that most politicians and bureaucrats have nothing more important to do then make sure they are taken care of, and that they get reelected. Sad isn't it.
Future Lawyer

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I agree that Bev. Perdue should be impeached. I did not vote for her. Although, I am a democrate, I decided to vote for Pat McCory. It was something about him that I liked and admired. The only governor to be impeached in NC was William Woods Holden. If we can figure out how they impeached him then we can impeach governor Bev. Perdue.

William Woods Holden (November 24, 1818 – March 1, 1892) was the governor of North Carolina in 1865 and from 1868 to 1871. He was the leader of the state's Republican Party during Reconstruction. He was the second governor in American history to be impeached, but the first to be removed from office. He is to date the only North Carolina governor to be impeached.

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Future Lawyer

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I voted for Pat McCory because he seemed down to earth and really sincere about education and the people. He stated that he did not live in an extravagant house, but a simple house and that he believed in supporting education. I wished that he had won.
An Angry Teacher

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Wiley Coyote wrote:
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You apparently have been nowhere near a classroom in years. Teachers are always the ones who get the ground cut out from under them by the politicians, in salary, in supplies, in funding for the kids to take field trips and/or put on a special show. Rather than attempting to "shame" teachers, why don't you support them? Your arrogant remark about "wandering down to the social studies teacher and sitting in on a class during your planning period" reeks of self-righteousness, and says nothing except that you apparently think you're a cut above those dedicated people in the classroom. Obviously all the educators on this forum know that this incompetent governor cannot "legally" be impeached,yet, but she can damn sure be put on notice that the educators of NC are not at all pleased with her performance so far, and perhaps she'll be a one-termer if she doesn't start delivering on her campaign promises. She ran on an education platform, but that apparently disappeared when she was sworn it. And that, McChaos, is what the educators on this forum are upset about, and rightfully so. If you had the best interests of NC's children in mind, you would join them in their outrage.
I agree with everything you're saying! I'm an educator in Buncombe County and I can at least say "I didn't vote for her." However, it angers me that this is the person the NCAE endorsed and they just seem to be cowering underneath her. There is no support from teachers forthcoming from the NCAE. It is a worthless organization, in my opinion. When I contacted Anna Austin regarding the freeze in step increases, the pay cut, the freeze in longevity, et al, her response was a feeble "Well at least we didn't lose any teaching jobs." Well, no it appears we have. There are 9 teachers losing their jobs in our school due to budget cuts. The funding for their positions has now evaporated. I also heard yesterday that, per Cliff Dodson the Superintendant, that Assistant Principals will be going back to classrooms and there will be 160 teaching jobs lost in Buncombe County. This is completely ridiculous and it ALL needs to be stopped now.
In an aside, it isn't just educators that are suffering in this state. I also heard this morning that Highway Patrol Officers will have to take 4 weeks of leave without pay!
Two things that North Carolina needs RIGHT NOW:
1) actual leadership (read this as get rid of Perdue and her ilk)
2) the ability to form unions.
An Angry Teacher

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John wrote:
To all you teachers
Quit your crying the teachers union backed Bev Purdue and Obama, you reap what you soe
Three things, John:

1) Not all the teachers voted for Obama or Perdue. I didn't.
2) We have no union (although the NCAE DID back both)
3) sow not soe
Kristen

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I could not agree more!!!! I am so sick and tired of people making promises and then going against their word! Both of my parents and other family members work for the State of North Carolina and who are the first people affected when budget cuts are to be made???? They are! My mother and my aunt have been teachers in this state for 30 plus years and I have watched them suffer more than anyone I know! Yet, the state of North Carolina, at one point, was begging for teachers. Why should anyone want to be a teacher if after all of the time they put into their career, their money is being taken away???? I am extremely frustrated with Bev Purdue and I am sick and tired of her lies! I would tell my mother and father to retire....but there is NO money! The state has made sure of that! Get her out of office immediately! Someone really needs to start the petition to impeach her!

Also, have anyone seen the most recent commercial with the two empty beach chairs and our fantastic governor states that 500 and some odd beach chairs will be empty this year due to traffic accidents and not wearing seat belts? No, the reason the beach chairs are empty is due to the fact that this crazy woman has taken away their money!!!! Who can afford to go to the beach???? I am so over Bev Purdue! GET HER OUT OF OFFICE!
Stacy Fayetteville NC

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May 27, 2009
 
Duuuhhhh! There is no teacher's union in NC. Maybe you need to go back and check your legislation info.. Respectfully veteran public school teacher of thirteen (13) years. By the way, the parenthesis is for those who can't read numbers.
John wrote:
To all you teachers
Quit your crying your teachers union supported Bev Purdue and Obama you reap what you soe
Stacy Fayetteville NC

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May 27, 2009
 
I totally agree. Being a vet teacher, I knew she was lying when she said ( I'm paraphrasing) there had been no military base shut downs while she was in office. I live in Fayetteville, technically there is no longer Air Force service men/women who work out of Pope. It has been subsidized to the Army/military. Lie! Lie! Lie!
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I agree with everything you're saying! I'm an educator in Buncombe County and I can at least say "I didn't vote for her." However, it angers me that this is the person the NCAE endorsed and they just seem to be cowering underneath her. There is no support from teachers forthcoming from the NCAE. It is a worthless organization, in my opinion. When I contacted Anna Austin regarding the freeze in step increases, the pay cut, the freeze in longevity, et al, her response was a feeble "Well at least we didn't lose any teaching jobs." Well, no it appears we have. There are 9 teachers losing their jobs in our school due to budget cuts. The funding for their positions has now evaporated. I also heard yesterday that, per Cliff Dodson the Superintendant, that Assistant Principals will be going back to classrooms and there will be 160 teaching jobs lost in Buncombe County. This is completely ridiculous and it ALL needs to be stopped now.
In an aside, it isn't just educators that are suffering in this state. I also heard this morning that Highway Patrol Officers will have to take 4 weeks of leave without pay!
Two things that North Carolina needs RIGHT NOW:
1) actual leadership (read this as get rid of Perdue and her ilk)
2) the ability to form unions.
Stacy Fayetteville NC

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May 27, 2009
 
I totally agree. Being a vet teacher, I knew she was lying when she said ( I'm paraphrasing) there had been no military base shut downs while she was in office. I live in Fayetteville, technically there is no longer Pope Air Force Base. However, there are service men/women who work out of Pope. It has been subsidized to the Army/military air field. Lie! Lie! Lie!
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I agree with everything you're saying! I'm an educator in Buncombe County and I can at least say "I didn't vote for her." However, it angers me that this is the person the NCAE endorsed and they just seem to be cowering underneath her. There is no support from teachers forthcoming from the NCAE. It is a worthless organization, in my opinion. When I contacted Anna Austin regarding the freeze in step increases, the pay cut, the freeze in longevity, et al, her response was a feeble "Well at least we didn't lose any teaching jobs." Well, no it appears we have. There are 9 teachers losing their jobs in our school due to budget cuts. The funding for their positions has now evaporated. I also heard yesterday that, per Cliff Dodson the Superintendant, that Assistant Principals will be going back to classrooms and there will be 160 teaching jobs lost in Buncombe County. This is completely ridiculous and it ALL needs to be stopped now.
In an aside, it isn't just educators that are suffering in this state. I also heard this morning that Highway Patrol Officers will have to take 4 weeks of leave without pay!
Two things that North Carolina needs RIGHT NOW:
1) actual leadership (read this as get rid of Perdue and her ilk)
2) the ability to form unions.
Stacy Fayetteville NC

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May 27, 2009
 
I beg your pardon. She did not teach long enough to be "A Teacher". She was married to a Purdue!!!!!!!!!! She is now remarried with the same last name, that should speak volumes. Who are you and do you have an education beyond a high school diploma. If so, you need to stay informed about the political candidates. DuuuuuuuuuuHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!!!!!!!!!
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That is 100% correct. The teachers voted her sorry azz in.
Stacy Fayetteville NC

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May 27, 2009
 
Back to you!!!!!!!!!! Are you a teacher? Did you vote for her too? Are you that much of an idiot that you do not know there is no teacher's union in NC. Obviously, that is a rhetorical statement/question. I suggest you not comment any further. It makes you look as almost as much an IDIOT as McChaos, whom I am still waiting for a response from. Enough from your erroneous behind.!!!!!!!!!
Timmy wrote:
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That is 100% correct. The teachers voted her sorry azz in.
Stacy Fayetteville NC

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May 27, 2009
 
McChaos, I am waiting for you?! Anything to say!?

Again, breech of contract, especially on this level is enough for a LARGE class action law suit!!!!!!!!!! Isn't that criminal? When anyone signs a contract (employee/employer there are suppose to be special obligations met if the contract has been signed), is in default which for teachers she has not/ will not/ cannot do). Again, a rhetorical question!!!!!!!!!! Shut your feed hole!!!!!!!!! Sincerely, a veteran (social studies) teacher of the NC public school system. This is capital policy for any capital company/employer.( Yes, even government)!
P.S. enough of this mess. I'm forwarding this ( all of it to the governor's office). Just to prove a point.
Stacy Fayetteville NC

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May 27, 2009
 
Are you still trying to figure out what masticate means or are you just stumped (It's in any standard dictionary, if that helps). You are entitled to your erroneous opinion. However, as a veteran teacher (social studies among three others), I strongly suggest you do some more investigation and find out how/what the impeachment process is. She has is fact breached the contract of many NC employed teachers. Maybe that information will help with your erroneous opinion( again, erroneous can be found in any standard dictionary)!
McChaos wrote:
Is it time for a real AFL-CIO Teachers' Union, complete with a collective bargaining agreement? I'm still waiting for your witty yet erroneous response.
Vote here:
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/asheville-c...
The Beast

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Stacy Fayetteville NC wrote:
Are you still trying to figure out what masticate means or are you just stumped (It's in any standard dictionary, if that helps). You are entitled to your erroneous opinion. However, as a veteran teacher (social studies among three others), I strongly suggest you do some more investigation and find out how/what the impeachment process is. She has is fact breached the contract of many NC employed teachers. Maybe that information will help with your erroneous opinion( again, erroneous can be found in any standard dictionary)!<quoted text>
Snappy little biatch! Thinks she's clever but she's just biatchy. Find that in a dictionary.
Stacy Fayetteville NC

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May 27, 2009
 
Oh John, John poor poor John. Either you have not been educated past a high school degree or you are not aware of Bev Purdue's or anyone else's politics. Again,( referring to the novice McChaos, there is no teacher's union in NC). I (as a veteran teacher of the public school system of NC) suggest you keep your(less /much less than pendantic)food hole shut. There is NO TEAHCER'S UNION IN NC!
John wrote:
To all you teachers
Quit your crying your teachers union supported Bev Purdue and Obama you reap what you sow

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