NAFTA: The DEMOCRAT OUTSOURCING BEGI...

NAFTA: The DEMOCRAT OUTSOURCING BEGINNING

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#1 Oct 8, 2010
Bill Clinton, inbetween sodomy sessions with a girl as young as his daughter, proposed and got passed NAFTA, which was the beginning of the flight of jobs to other countries. The closed mills, factories, and plants here in North Carolina, the South, and places like Ohio, owe their closing to the democrats. meanwhile, Clinton made millions during this period and lives like a USSR Communist party official in a multi-million dollar dacha in Connecticunt.

Morale: The liberal socialist democrat party is NOT for the "little guy and gal", but is for the professional politicians' enrichment both financial and power-wise.
Fair Hearing

Hendersonville, NC

#2 Oct 8, 2010
Typical right wing spin, a pathetic attempt to blame the Clinton administration and Democrats for something both parties have played a pert in for decades.

Outsourcing history
http://www.bizbrim.com/outsourcing/outsourcin...

"NAFTA was signed by President George H.W. Bush, Mexican President Salinas, and Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney in 1992. It was ratified by the legislatures of the three countries in 1993. The House approved it by 234 to 200 on November 17 and the Senate by 60 to 38 on November 20. It was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on December 8, 1993 and entered force January 1, 1994. Although it was signed by President Bush, it was a priority of President Clinton's, and its passage is considered one of his first successes.(Source: History.com , NAFTA Signed into Law, December 8, 1993.
How Was NAFTA Started?:

The impetus for NAFTA actually began with President Ronald Regan, who campaigned on a North American common market. In 1984, Congress passed the Trade and Tariff Act. This is important because it gave the President "fast-track" authority to negotiate free trade agreements, while only allowing Congress the ability to approve or disapprove, not change negotiating points. Canadian Prime Minister Mulroney agreed with Reagan to begin negotiations for the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Agreement, which was signed in 1988, went into effect in 1989 and is now suspended due to NAFTA.(Source: NaFina, NAFTA Timeline)
Meanwhile, Mexican President Salinas and President Bush began negotiations for a liberalized trade between the two countries. Prior to NAFTA, Mexican tariffs on U.S. imports were 250% higher than U.S. tariffs on Mexican imports. In 1991, Canada requested a trilateral agreement, which then led to NAFTA. In 1993, concerns about liberalization of labor and environmental regulations led to the adoption of two addendums to NAFTA."

http://useconomy.about.com/od/tradepolicy/p/N...

Buncy

Bat Cave, NC

#3 Oct 8, 2010
Thanks, whoever you are, Fair Hearing, for coming around and schooling the rightwingers.

There are too many unschooled rightwingers swarming around here to keep up with.

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#4 Oct 8, 2010
NAFTA was signed By Bush but was pushed and allowed to continue by both parties. What is so hard about seeing that both sides are in this for their greed and control? Until we change the whole dynamics of our government, we have no chance in ever being a nation of self control as was the vision of this nation's founders.

Do I believe it is to late? I believe we are really close to crossing over to a point of no return. Our Government has grown out of control in the past 50 years and the people have let it happen. Just as it happens in industry with the controlling power trying to keep those in the ranks bickering over insignificant issues, they are able to grow stronger and richer, thus becoming untouchable. Unions use to have a place in this but they are mob controlled and only in it for their own self interest.

In the end it is all about honesty and integrity, something of which this nation is lacking in all of its leadership.
The Big Deal

Skyland, NC

#5 Oct 8, 2010
fastsam wrote:
NAFTA was signed By Bush but was pushed and allowed to continue by both parties. What is so hard about seeing that both sides are in this for their greed and control? Until we change the whole dynamics of our government, we have no chance in ever being a nation of self control as was the vision of this nation's founders.
Do I believe it is to late? I believe we are really close to crossing over to a point of no return. Our Government has grown out of control in the past 50 years and the people have let it happen. Just as it happens in industry with the controlling power trying to keep those in the ranks bickering over insignificant issues, they are able to grow stronger and richer, thus becoming untouchable. Unions use to have a place in this but they are mob controlled and only in it for their own self interest.
In the end it is all about honesty and integrity, something of which this nation is lacking in all of its leadership.
True dat, Sam
Fair Hearing

Hendersonville, NC

#6 Oct 8, 2010
fastsam wrote:
NAFTA was signed By Bush but was pushed and allowed to continue by both parties. What is so hard about seeing that both sides are in this for their greed and control? Until we change the whole dynamics of our government, we have no chance in ever being a nation of self control as was the vision of this nation's founders.
Do I believe it is to late? I believe we are really close to crossing over to a point of no return. Our Government has grown out of control in the past 50 years and the people have let it happen. Just as it happens in industry with the controlling power trying to keep those in the ranks bickering over insignificant issues, they are able to grow stronger and richer, thus becoming untouchable. Unions use to have a place in this but they are mob controlled and only in it for their own self interest.
In the end it is all about honesty and integrity, something of which this nation is lacking in all of its leadership.
I think we should be more introspective about what motives we attribute to the nation's founders who were, unquestionably, an elite group of aristocrats, no lovers of the common man whom they referred to as a mob.

That being said, one Republican did warn us of the pitfalls ahead as he left office and that would be Dwight David Eisenhower. The upshot has been that over the past decades unions have lost power while big corporations have gained more and continue to whittle away at the middle class, no thanks to politicians from both sides of the aisle who have profited from corporate money. I believe the first thing that must be done is removal of corporate influence in the political process. The recent supreme court decision in this regard ought to be punishable by impeachment of the majority that voted for this measure.

All of which brings to mind a famous quote: "power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely". This situation cannot be rectified by transferring power to a bunch of people who seem to revel in their ignorance. Better we be ruled by intelligent people than by the mob.
Glenn Beck

Franklin, NC

#7 Oct 8, 2010
Joe_Plumber wrote:
Bill Clinton, inbetween sodomy sessions with a girl as young as his daughter, proposed and got passed NAFTA, which was the beginning of the flight of jobs to other countries. The closed mills, factories, and plants here in North Carolina, the South, and places like Ohio, owe their closing to the democrats. meanwhile, Clinton made millions during this period and lives like a USSR Communist party official in a multi-million dollar dacha in Connecticunt.
Morale: The liberal socialist democrat party is NOT for the "little guy and gal", but is for the professional politicians' enrichment both financial and power-wise.
Ah, you continue to prove how stupid you are. NAFTA was the stepchild of Reagan's "American Free Trade Agreement", it was "proposed", written, negotiated and agreed to by Daddy Bush who signed it, along with the mexican and canadian leaders, on 17 December 1992, and forwarded it to Congress on 18 December 1992. It was just another parting gift to Clinton, along with that stupid Somalia BS, because Daddy Bush was so upset over losing to Clinton. It was sent to Congress for ratification over a month prior to Clinton becoming POTUS. The only thing Clinton had to do with the Repuglican NAFTA, was to interject some protections for American workers that were trashed and overlooked by Daddy Bush and Reagan who were intent on destroy the Middle Class, living wages, worker's benefits/healthcare and retirement programs negotiated with employers. NAFTA is a Repuglican policy, contrived and agreed to before Clinton took office, it is part of Reagan's longrange plan to form an American Union, like the European Union and bring American workers down to par with mexican workers. Well, you Repugs almost got it done but Democrats are bringing back jobs and industry to America while being fought at every turning point by greedy corporations and the American Chamber of Commerce which only cares about Corporate CEO's and making billions while lowering the minimum wage. Meg Whitman has stated that is what she will do "I will lower the minimum wage if elected" is what she said to some corporate leaders and she proved how much she hates American workers as do all Repuglican leaders, starting with Ronnie Rayguns and the Bush family.

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#8 Oct 8, 2010
fastsam wrote:
NAFTA was signed By Bush but was pushed and allowed to continue by both parties. What is so hard about seeing that both sides are in this for their greed and control? Until we change the whole dynamics of our government, we have no chance in ever being a nation of self control as was the vision of this nation's founders.
Do I believe it is to late? I believe we are really close to crossing over to a point of no return. Our Government has grown out of control in the past 50 years and the people have let it happen. Just as it happens in industry with the controlling power trying to keep those in the ranks bickering over insignificant issues, they are able to grow stronger and richer, thus becoming untouchable. Unions use to have a place in this but they are mob controlled and only in it for their own self interest.
In the end it is all about honesty and integrity, something of which this nation is lacking in all of its leadership.
NAFTA was started under Bush41,but SIGNED into law by Bill Clinton. And yes both parties share the blame.But the democrats are the one's with very hypocritical egg on their faces since they try to blame republicans for the migration of jobs out of the country.
Fair Hearing

Hendersonville, NC

#9 Oct 8, 2010
This is not a political issue but an economic one. The fact is it goes way beyond NAFTA, especially the huge numbers involving India, which, in case you can't read, is not a party to the North American Free Trade Agreement. Fact, Latin America has a 25% share compared with India @ 60% and China at 27%. Fact, George W Bush supported CAFTA along with 78% of Republicans while 73% of the Democrats opposed this measure.

No matter how you slice it, big business and the Republican Party are in this together far more than Democrats so you might want to shut up while you're only a little behind.

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#10 Oct 8, 2010
This is what I was talking about, people arguing which party did what while our country goes to pot and foreigners take more and more control. I don't think we will ever get it right. Too many brainwashed into the party thing.
Fair Hearing

Hendersonville, NC

#11 Oct 8, 2010
fastsam wrote:
This is what I was talking about, people arguing which party did what while our country goes to pot and foreigners take more and more control. I don't think we will ever get it right. Too many brainwashed into the party thing.
Absolutely agree but I guess I offended one of those other guys. LOL You mentioned somewhere, the founding fathers. I seem to recall how some of them abhorred political parties. I'm with them on that issue. Compromise is what makes a democracy viable and this latest crop of extremists are not interested in compromise. This is a pretty scary state of affairs, the forerunner of a dictatorship and I believe that certain elements have long been at work trying to build a power base that can take permanent control of our government. I personally oppose any political ideologues from getting that much power and that includes the left as well as the right both of which are simply WRONG for America.

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#12 Oct 8, 2010
fastsam wrote:
This is what I was talking about, people arguing which party did what while our country goes to pot and foreigners take more and more control. I don't think we will ever get it right. Too many brainwashed into the party thing.
I think the good thing in the Obama disaster is ordinary Americans have woke up and are paying attention to issues now. I'd like to see NAFTE changed to be more favorable to us. God knows our Southern states have suffered from the factory exodus.
Joe_Plumber

Bat Cave, NC

#13 Oct 8, 2010
The last time I got caught driving drunk I had been working on a sewer pipe and had a bucket of shit from the sewer. I poured it all over myself and the cops let me go home. It worked.

As soon as I was clean up they were at the door waiting for me.

Since: Sep 10

Asheville, NC

#14 Oct 8, 2010
NAFTA shafta. Thanks to the dumbcrats.
Glenn Beck

Franklin, NC

#15 Oct 9, 2010
Barry Winters wrote:
NAFTA shafta. Thanks to the dumbcrats.
Funny, it was the POS clown, Ronnie Rayguns and Daddy Bush, that created NAFTA, negotiated it and Daddy Bush signed it and forwarded it to Congress for Ratification on 18 December 1992! It was and is all Repuglican except for some protections for workers put in by Clinton since Reagan and Daddy Bush were all about reducing wages and benefits for American workers in favor of cheap illegal labor from Mexico. Ronnie and Daddy Bush are the basstards you need to be thanking for shipping jobs overseas and destroying the American Middle Class and economy.
Lunatic Fringe

Hendersonville, NC

#16 Oct 9, 2010
Glenn Beck wrote:
<quoted text>Funny, it was the POS clown, Ronnie Rayguns and Daddy Bush, that created NAFTA, negotiated it and Daddy Bush signed it and forwarded it to Congress for Ratification on 18 December 1992! It was and is all Repuglican except for some protections for workers put in by Clinton since Reagan and Daddy Bush were all about reducing wages and benefits for American workers in favor of cheap illegal labor from Mexico. Ronnie and Daddy Bush are the basstards you need to be thanking for shipping jobs overseas and destroying the American Middle Class and economy.
Barry and various other ridiculous characters, are the sole creations of [name omitted to protect the guilty]. You can tell which ones by the strange, sometimes ridiculous avatars and the conversations he has with himself. Pray for him, poor fellow is suffering from PTSD, seriously, something is definitely amiss with this chap quite possibly related to his military service in Vietnam.
HuhHuh

Candler, NC

#18 Oct 9, 2010
Economics 101: tariffs are a barrier to free trade. Europe has thrived based on the European Union. We are decades behind the European Union because of the lack of further progress with NAFTA and stupid "Homeland Security" throwing UP more barriers to free trade.
Bill OReilly

Asheville, NC

#19 Oct 9, 2010
Glenn Beck wrote:
<quoted text>Funny, it was the POS clown, Ronnie Rayguns and Daddy Bush, that created NAFTA, negotiated it and Daddy Bush signed it and forwarded it to Congress for Ratification on 18 December 1992! It was and is all Repuglican except for some protections for workers put in by Clinton since Reagan and Daddy Bush were all about reducing wages and benefits for American workers in favor of cheap illegal labor from Mexico. Ronnie and Daddy Bush are the basstards you need to be thanking for shipping jobs overseas and destroying the American Middle Class and economy.
Thomas, you dumsonabitch. Bill Clinton signed it into law. Remember during the campaign Al Gore debated Ross Perot? It was over NAFTA. Perot was opposed and the famous "giant sucking sound of jobs going to Mexico" was born.
The democrats passed this bill and Clinton signed it. Both Billy Clinton and Al Gore said they thought it was a good thing. Read it and weep lieberals. Try to blame all your failings on republicans, but we are onto you now.:)

“Bring Back Bush!”

Since: May 10

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#20 Oct 9, 2010
This is why we are needing to vote Republican. They are always on the side of the workin' man. I have a truck, I vote! These liberals all drive volvos and toyotas.
Glenn Beck

Franklin, NC

#21 Oct 9, 2010
Bill OReilly wrote:
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Thomas, you dumsonabitch. Bill Clinton signed it into law. Remember during the campaign Al Gore debated Ross Perot? It was over NAFTA. Perot was opposed and the famous "giant sucking sound of jobs going to Mexico" was born.
The democrats passed this bill and Clinton signed it. Both Billy Clinton and Al Gore said they thought it was a good thing. Read it and weep lieberals. Try to blame all your failings on republicans, but we are onto you now.:)
It was and always will be a creation of Reagan and Daddy Bush, they thought it up, they negotiated it and they agreed to it and Daddy Bush signed it on 18 December 1992, then sent it to Congress for approval/ratification. Yep, Clinton was stupid enough to sign the Repuglican POS agreement but that does not change the fact that Reagan and Daddy Bush worked on it for years. It was their way of screwing American workers and helping corporations move overseas by giving the tax incentives and visas for workers to come over and have Americans train them on operation of the manufacturing equipment, then ship it overseas. The Blame does belong with Reagan and Daddy Bush and all the Repug congressmen that approved it.

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