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Shannon
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Here is a good chance for the judges to pull their heads free. Instead of letting any of the crime committing little punks of Fitchburg get away with a slap on the wrist, make them clean up this mess. There, costly problem solved.
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Rena
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Shannon wrote: Here is a good chance for the judges to pull their heads free. Instead of letting any of the crime committing little punks of Fitchburg get away with a slap on the wrist, make them clean up this mess. There, costly problem solved. Kids need to stop getting a slap on the wrist.... If they get away with it now - who knows what they'll do later on in life.....
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Boulder City
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Considering the Rena & Shannon, I think there are ALOT more crimes in Fitchburg that are MUCH MORE serious than writing graffitti on a wall.
However, Chief DeMoura is correct, it isn't the graffitti, it's the message in the graffitti that is troubling. Gang symbols, and the RFK are troubling as there is an element there that can cause problems in a community, which could lead to unrest and violence.
However, if it is some kid who is a painting a railroad bridge/box car, or for that matter a wall, then make him clean it up, and/or force a sentence.
Maybe I am wrong, but from what I read Shannon and Rena to say that we should stick it to kids, and throw them in juvenile detention for 5-6 years?
However situations like this is where I have advocated that they put a certain number of kids to work in cleaning up the city for a certain amount of money. Yeah, the city is broke, but it would at least give these kids something to do doing the summer, that is PRODUCTIVE.
Yet, that is socialist...better to throw the kids in juvenile detention...and learn more about crime from other inmates!
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Shannon
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Boulder City wrote: Considering the Rena & Shannon, I think there are ALOT more crimes in Fitchburg that are MUCH MORE serious than writing graffitti on a wall.
However, Chief DeMoura is correct, it isn't the graffitti, it's the message in the graffitti that is troubling. Gang symbols, and the RFK are troubling as there is an element there that can cause problems in a community, which could lead to unrest and violence.
However, if it is some kid who is a painting a railroad bridge/box car, or for that matter a wall, then make him clean it up, and/or force a sentence.
Maybe I am wrong, but from what I read Shannon and Rena to say that we should stick it to kids, and throw them in juvenile detention for 5-6 years?
However situations like this is where I have advocated that they put a certain number of kids to work in cleaning up the city for a certain amount of money. Yeah, the city is broke, but it would at least give these kids something to do doing the summer, that is PRODUCTIVE.
Yet, that is socialist...better to throw the kids in juvenile detention...and learn more about crime from other inmates! What I am saying is, instead of letting these little pukes walk, put them to work cleaning up the city and the messes that other little pukes, like themselves created. I never said that this is moreimportant than any other crime, and never mentioned anything about throwing them in juvie. All that I was saying is stop letting them walk, is it that hard to comprehend?
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Leominster 3614
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I think community service for petty stuff such as tagging is a fantastic idea..basic, simplistic, and definitely gets the point across. If they are cleaning up their own group 'tags' it should curb the idea of violent repercussions..I would hope.
We teach our kids in our own homes..make a mess, clean it up... Why can't the same rule apply here? Keep the already overburdened social services department out of it as much as possible..rather than a probation officer, why not a Service management officer? He or She could manage as many as 4 or 5 juveniles on a single day doing clean up..weekdays during non school times, weekends when school is in session.
Just an idea..but maybe I'm thinking Utopian society here.
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Anon
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Man, if I was caught doing this when I was a kid my parents would have dragged me down the street and made me scrub it off with a toothbrush.
I think they should be made to go out there and clean it up.
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Rena
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Exactly... am I saying they should go to jail for it? Um no, leave space for the real criminals... But don't let them off with just a fine that most likly the parents are gonna pay anyways or even worse they will resort to selling drugs to get the money to pay the fine.... but yes - cleaning up the neighborhood and doing some real community service is a good start.... and picking up trash on the side of the road (although good for the community) is not exactly punishment.
And Boulder City - please don't read between the lines and assume what other people are posting. Niether Shannon or myself said anything about jail...
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CIt4WhatItIs
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OMG you are so right. Left unchecked, they could go on to become politicians! Rena wrote: <quoted text>
Kids need to stop getting a slap on the wrist.... If they get away with it now - who knows what they'll do later on in life.....
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Flatlander
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I grew up in Cleghorn when it was a middle-class, hard working neighborhood of families. The gangs back then would organize hide-and-seek games that lasted until sundown, hold talent shows in their garages, walk down to Dairy Queen for ice cream. We grew up to appreciate and respect other people's property. Everyone worked hard for what they had. This is another classic example of the welfare problem. These kids grow up with parents who have everything handed to them. They have NO idea what it's like to work hard for something and take pride in it. The irresponsibilty of these people is amazing!
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Disgrace
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This past weekend as I drove up 2A I saw a business truck that had been tagged by this group of idiots. The owner of the business was trying to remove the paint as his young kids sat in another vehicle and watched. How sad is that? As I drove by I felt horrible for this guy, here he is making a living and probably doing the best he can to make ends meet and he has to deal with crap like that. It's nice that these losers are using our tax money to purchase their drugs/alcohol/paint instead of working for a living. Not that I expect any of you to be reading this because I am sure reading isn't something that comes easy to most of you. We don't think you wannabee gangs are anything other than lonely cowards, how about getting a job and contributing to society? Maybe if they actually had to spend their own hard earned money on the property they have they would have great respect for others property. I say WHEN they are caught they should be subjected to working downtown on the common cleaning while wearing real pretty uniforms that declare them the losers they really are. For those of you who think tagging is a minor issue try putting yourself in the shoes of the person who is having to repair their property time and time again.
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shawn
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yea they really shoud have to clean up the tags if they get busted but not all tags are bad some are works of art in the appropriate place, unfortunalty they do most of the junk and ruin the few good ones. like at the skatepark for example. in reality its dumass kids with to much time on their hands. being 18 and from the area i get the " theres not much else to do but get bombed and write" gangs- there really all poser wannabees they act like they are but 90% of the kids really arent- just board and full of sh-t
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Art Critic
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what is an appropriate place for the few goods ones which are works of art? Your parent's property?
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Art
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Art Critic wrote: what is an appropriate place for the few goods ones which are works of art? Your parent's property? This sh!t isn't art. It's destruction of private property. The kids who are caught should have thier hands cut off.
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Joe
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Anon wrote: Man, if I was caught doing this when I was a kid my parents would have dragged me down the street and made me scrub it off with a toothbrush.
I think they should be made to go out there and clean it up. I agree, but with todays screwed values your parents would be drag into court forchild abuse. I think the parent should be required to clean it with thier kid and than attend a class on how to bring up kids. If the kid is over 18 they should be liable for the damage.
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Joe
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shawn wrote: yea they really shoud have to clean up the tags if they get busted but not all tags are bad some are works of art in the appropriate place, unfortunalty they do most of the junk and ruin the few good ones. like at the skatepark for example. in reality its dumass kids with to much time on their hands. being 18 and from the area i get the " theres not much else to do but get bombed and write" gangs- there really all poser wannabees they act like they are but 90% of the kids really arent- just board and full of sh-t All tags are BAD if thier on someone's property without thier permission!!!!!!!!!! And about being bored with all the things to do today compare to what the kids had 50 years ago is just another excuse
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Art Critic
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Art wrote: <quoted text>
This sh!t isn't art. It's destruction of private property. The kids who are caught should have thier hands cut off. pssst....I was making fun of what the post above me (Shawn) said...
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