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Ashburnham to vote on new school proposal - Sentinel & Enterprise

There are 47 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Dec 16, 2010, titled Ashburnham to vote on new school proposal - Sentinel & Enterprise. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

Voters will go to the polls today to decide whether or not they want to appropriate the money to build a new J.R. Briggs Elementary School.

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#42 Dec 18, 2010
Well resident 20 yrs I hope that wasn't direected at me. I was a yes voter but I am very serious if the no voters are passionate they should get organized just as the yes voters did. That is how a free society works. I respect most of the no voters who are in financial hard times. It is the misinformed who push rumor and gossip who drive me nuts.
not a townie

Fitchburg, MA

#43 Dec 18, 2010
An Observer wrote:
I saw many vote yes signs, I saw people holding vote yes signs at the pols but I did not see any vote no signs or anyone holding them. The vote no crowd has every right to campaign yet they didn't. Why not? The yes crowd put themselves in the open to be bashed by the no crowd. Is the no crowd too afraid to be in the open?
Bashed by the "no" crowd? There was no "no" crowd - just commensense people who understand reality - we are Ashburnham, not Wellesley. There is a reality in this town in which the "yes" people - or most of them - do not understand. We live in a town with no bizz, high unemployment, one of the highest forclosure rates in the states, already high prperty taxes, etc. The way I see it is that the yes people bash and complain and target and yell - just to get their way, regardless of other opinions. People that differ in your thinking you label as anti school, or child etc. People that worry about the tax burden - you state - well, you should have planned your retirement better. Some of the voices from the "yes" crowd as you succintly divide, are filled with hate, spoiled brat and bulliying. Shame on you. If you only would listen - instead of the defensive listing you do, then you may realize, hey - we want the same thing. You need to grow up - talk to people instead of baiting on these posts. You know - i actually feel sorry for people like you - and based on some of your comments - I am thinking you are either 16, or just a adult bully. Get over your self. Just to get to my point - in response to your post - the no crowd demostrated bravery in voiceing thier opinion - based on facts, people - rather than going along with a few hatefull people. We all want a new school - duh. The funny thing is - the next time there is an election, you will probably be campaigning next to someone whom you bash in these posts. Think about your audience first.
not a townie

Fitchburg, MA

#44 Dec 18, 2010
Ashburnham Resident wrote:
Just went and voted YES. Some of these posts have made me fall off my chair laughing. To Citizen, first it is a majority vote. When has a ballot vote ever been 2/3rd majority, that takes place at a Town Meeting. Secondly, as for Dr. Zapantis, did you pay attention when the School Committee announced him as an Interim Superintendent, they were paying him only what he could make on top of his pension, he was going to work anyway, better to have him here.
As for Citizen99, we, or shall I say, you voted down an article to repair the roads in Town a couple of years ago because your taxes would be raised. As others have said, you vote things down and then when it (roads, buildings, etc) reach the end of their useful life, you complain and vote no. Then when you don't have a choice, you complain. Those of us that love this Town get frustrated with people like you because if it raises your taxes, you are never happy, but then you will complain that you don't get anything for your tax dollars.
And you will go on to complain when the 3 teachers are laid off next year because, hmm, guess what - we cant afford it. Oh, but wait, will you demand another override? You can not have it both ways.
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#45 Dec 19, 2010
Well not a townie you really don't read my posts. I am not here to bully. I am very serious. If the no voters are so passionate they should have been more organized. Had that been the case it would not have been a two to one margin. A few years ago I was a supporter of the public safety building when they asked for more money. The no votes won, so be it. Was I happy, no but I live with it as the majority took it. I am a firm believer in our system. In our form of government federal, state , and local, the voters have the greatest input in the local level. More should get involved and use that right. So call me 16 or a bully, I won't call you names.
not a townie

Fitchburg, MA

#46 Dec 19, 2010
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Well not a townie you really don't read my posts. I am not here to bully. I am very serious. If the no voters are so passionate they should have been more organized. Had that been the case it would not have been a two to one margin. A few years ago I was a supporter of the public safety building when they asked for more money. The no votes won, so be it. Was I happy, no but I live with it as the majority took it. I am a firm believer in our system. In our form of government federal, state , and local, the voters have the greatest input in the local level. More should get involved and use that right. So call me 16 or a bully, I won't call you names.
Just read all the posts related to this topic, and tell me who the bullies are.
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#47 Dec 19, 2010
Are you calling me one? I can't speak for the others. I voted yes, I did not campaign because it wasn't an issue I am passionate on. I feel we need the school but I understand the state of the economy and if the vote went no it would not have suprised me. Had I been out of work, a payment away from foreclosure, or on a fixed income I may have actively campaigned against it. Given the passion on both sides of this issue I am just suprised the margin was so lopsided.
Stephanie

Gardner, MA

#48 Jun 22, 2011
Outside looking in wrote:
Not many people I talk to want to pay taxes, and few if any of the people I talk to want to pay higher taxes. However, many of the people I talk to know the significance of what newer and better schools can do for their cities and towns.
New schools are not just pretty buildings where children and teachers hang out for the day. Schools (and other new construction) built today are more energy efficient, they tend to be less costly to maintain, and they provide quality learning materials (wireless Internet, computers, communication, etc.) at a cheaper price than installing them in older buildings. That's not to say you will get you money back on the taxes you pay in, but you might. depending on the length of time you live in the town.
Another often overlooked advantage to this argument is the FACT that newer and better schools more times than not increase the value of residential property value, because its a great selling point when people are looking for new homes.
To Stephanie Johnson, I don't know how closely you have been following this issue, but the grades the children get have nothing to do with a new or old building, and the grades aren't even the issue. The big issue here is whether or not the existing building is safe, how long with it stay safe, and how much will it cost to maintain it and keep it safe. The heating system and other areas of Briggs is outdated and very costly to maintain. Taxes will have to go up to build a new building or maintain an older one. The difference is, eventually a newer one is going to have to be built anyway. Why not build it at today's prices instead of future higher prices!?
I dont know who the asshole is who wrote this but I followed this issue very closely and was accurate as I am very close with one of the town administrators and one of the arguments raised by the yes crowd was that it would increase our schools reputation and the students grades.These were not My thoughts or words,I merely repeated them.And I have been an Ashburnham resident my entire life.My whole family is from Ashburnham.my grandfather,Robert Brennan was a very beloved man in this town and my family has always had a high standing reputation in this town.You really didnt need to come at me as though I am ignorant about this town and these issues.As a matter of fact,I attended Briggs as well. So take ur attitude and shove it!!!!!!!!I nnever said we didnt need a new school,i merely said 30 million was outrageous.We could build a new elementary school for less.I hope you face the toughest financial times in your life in the near future so you may understand where the concerned residents are coming from!!!!!!!

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