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nac

Merrick, NY

#10155 Sep 12, 2012
democrat wrote:
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Nac,seems like your version of what happened,may have some holes in it.
No, it doesn't. But it makes you feel better about the man you voted for to think so, facts be damned!

If it was such a noble, rosy operation... I wonder why Obama/Holder felt compelled to lie about it to Congress? Ehhh... the republicans must have forced them to at (illegal) gunpoint. Yeah, that explains it!
really

Burbank, CA

#10156 Sep 12, 2012
nac wrote:
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If you keep turning a blind eye to Obama/Holder lying to Congress about the existence of Fast and Furious... how are you NOT a blind follower? Actions speak louder than words.
Its not turning a blind eye when we have different opinons. Just because people look at a situation and say "this isn't that bad, it seems pretty standard. Something went wrong and someone got killed, it was then stopped" doesn't mean were turning a blind eye. It means were not overreacting like you are.

Again, gunrunner started under bush, continued on in multiple operations under bush and obama. Went bad under obama, it was shut down. An officer was shot by a weapon that went walking (and would have anyways) from this operation (much like the numerous officers that have been killed by concealed carries or automatic weapons allowed by law). Republicans started a witch hunt and made this a giant talking point for no reason. Obama refused to go along with it.

Thats the opinion. If you don't like it thats your business, but if you think that means we are sacrificing our country, or turning a blind eye in praise of obama, then you belong in the category of the people who say there will be a 1000 years of darkness if obama gets elected or that hes a racist muslim who wants to rule the world even though theres no proof or logical reason to say that. Aka you belong in the tea party.

Again, just saying, your blowing this out of proportion and your assertions about people with different opinions are even more out of proportion.
democrat

Massena, NY

#10157 Sep 12, 2012
On Feb. 4, 2011, the Justice Department sent a letter to Sen. Grassley saying that the allegations of gun walking in Fast and Furious were false and that ATF always tried to interdict weapons. A month later, Grassley countered with what appeared to be slam-dunk proof that ATF had indeed walked guns. "[P]lease explain how the denials in the Justice Department's Feb. 4, 2011 letter to me can be squared with the evidence," Grassley wrote, attaching damning case reports that he contended "proved that ATF allowed guns to 'walk.'" The case and agent names were redacted, but the reports were not from Fast and Furious. They came entirely from Dodson's Fernandez case.

Nac,only hogwash,because it doesn't fit your anti-obama agenda.It appears you are the blind follower,and only read what fits your version of what happened.Yeah,you're an independent.
really

Burbank, CA

#10158 Sep 12, 2012
also wheres your outrage at the newly turned up lies from the entire bush administration that spoke to the 9/11 commission. During the entire 9/11 commission they stated that there was only one document with no evidence of a certified attack and no CIA intelligence suggesting an attack, and it has just been shown to be a lie. It has been shown that they openly lied to congress to save their ass and that there actually were 5 months worth of direct daily notice of an attack to the point that the people giving the notice asked for a job transfer because they didn't want to get blamed for the attack about to happen.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the...

That was the Bush administration lying to congress and covering up evidence of their incompetence that led to the largest attack on american soil in history....

You find that less outrageous than an operation gone wrong and obama not going along with a witch hunt?
nac

Merrick, NY

#10159 Sep 12, 2012
really wrote:
<quoted text>
Its not turning a blind eye when we have different opinons. Just because people look at a situation and say "this isn't that bad, it seems pretty standard. Something went wrong and someone got killed, it was then stopped" doesn't mean were turning a blind eye. It means were not overreacting like you are.
Again, gunrunner started under bush, continued on in multiple operations under bush and obama. Went bad under obama, it was shut down. An officer was shot by a weapon that went walking (and would have anyways) from this operation (much like the numerous officers that have been killed by concealed carries or automatic weapons allowed by law). Republicans started a witch hunt and made this a giant talking point for no reason. Obama refused to go along with it.
Thats the opinion. If you don't like it thats your business, but if you think that means we are sacrificing our country, or turning a blind eye in praise of obama, then you belong in the category of the people who say there will be a 1000 years of darkness if obama gets elected or that hes a racist muslim who wants to rule the world even though theres no proof or logical reason to say that. Aka you belong in the tea party.
Again, just saying, your blowing this out of proportion and your assertions about people with different opinions are even more out of proportion.
So are you saying that they didn't send a letter to Congress in February 2011 denying Fast and Furious existed?

Or are you saying that it is ok that they lied to Congress?

No more dancing around it... which is it?
democrat

Massena, NY

#10160 Sep 12, 2012
Really,nac is the same guy,who keeps insisting he's an independent,but calls everybody blind followers,when they wont join his Obama witchhunt,let by convicted criminal Issa.Guns weren't even purchased under F and F program.
really

Burbank, CA

#10161 Sep 12, 2012
obamination wrote:
Muslim terroisrs kill Americans and obama apologizes to them? WTF
except...you know...that didn't happen...

side note, its getting scary how crazy the tea partiers (i'm only assuming you are one) get with blatant lies or beliefs that are completely made up and how adamant they get with them. And how they don't realize they're just manipulated by Billionares who force feed them propaganda.

This woman, seriously scares me. Because she is so adamant about what she believes is a fact....with no basis what so ever. This is kind of how the nazi's started. Replace Obama and democrats with Jews and this is the same mindset.

http://youtu.be/oSAzYWmsiwI...
democrat

Massena, NY

#10162 Sep 12, 2012
nac wrote:
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That column has been proven to be hogwash by countless experts. In nutshell, he is saying that they didn't mean to let guns walk... but the laws in place forced their hand.
Ummm... the laws were on the books when they drew up the plans for Fast & Furious. They knew, or should have known what laws would get in the way of their idiotic operation.
This in NO WAY excuses them. Unless you really want it to because Obama and his gang are the best and we should never question them.
Let's just agree to disagree on this one.
Nac,please name the countless experts,and cite their rebuttals.Other wise,you are just using weasel words,to avoid an article that proves your version of what really transpired is wrong.
nac

Merrick, NY

#10163 Sep 12, 2012
democrat wrote:
On Feb. 4, 2011, the Justice Department sent a letter to Sen. Grassley saying that the allegations of gun walking in Fast and Furious were false and that ATF always tried to interdict weapons. A month later, Grassley countered with what appeared to be slam-dunk proof that ATF had indeed walked guns. "[P]lease explain how the denials in the Justice Department's Feb. 4, 2011 letter to me can be squared with the evidence," Grassley wrote, attaching damning case reports that he contended "proved that ATF allowed guns to 'walk.'" The case and agent names were redacted, but the reports were not from Fast and Furious. They came entirely from Dodson's Fernandez case.
Nac,only hogwash,because it doesn't fit your anti-obama agenda.It appears you are the blind follower,and only read what fits your version of what happened.Yeah,you're an independent.
So they never retracted the letter?

Yes, they did.

But they're Democrats... so I'm sure they retracted it because it was SOOOO truthful that it made everyone else look bad.

Again, focus on what you want to, ignore what you want to... the truth doesn't change. I'm not trying to convince YOU of anything.
democrat

Massena, NY

#10164 Sep 12, 2012
nac wrote:
<quoted text>
This is literally the dumbest thing you have ever posted. Wow.


Nac,what's dumb about the truth.This is exactly how the republicans and nra act.
nac

Merrick, NY

#10165 Sep 12, 2012
democrat wrote:
Really,nac is the same guy,who keeps insisting he's an independent,but calls everybody blind followers,when they wont join his Obama witchhunt,let by convicted criminal Issa.Guns weren't even purchased under F and F program.
HAHAHA! No, of course they weren't!!!! Fast and Furious was about pretzels, not guns! Everyone knows this!
nac

Merrick, NY

#10166 Sep 12, 2012
democrat wrote:
<quoted text>
Nac,what's dumb about the truth.This is exactly how the republicans and nra act.
if you say so...
democrat

Massena, NY

#10167 Sep 12, 2012
nac wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you saying that they didn't send a letter to Congress in February 2011 denying Fast and Furious existed?
Or are you saying that it is ok that they lied to Congress?
No more dancing around it... which is it?
Nac,you seem confused,they never sent a letter denying fast and furious existed.They said the org. wasn't gun walking.When Grassley,showed what he thought was proof,they redacted the statement.But grassley was wrong,agent dodson and another,decided to walk guns,without the approval of F and F supervisor Voth.So Fast and Furious wasn't gun walking.
really

Burbank, CA

#10168 Sep 12, 2012
nac wrote:
<quoted text>
So are you saying that they didn't send a letter to Congress in February 2011 denying Fast and Furious existed?
Or are you saying that it is ok that they lied to Congress?
No more dancing around it... which is it?
They didn't. They sent a letter on February 4th stating that fast and furious existed but they had no knoweldge of the transfer of illegal guns. Then further officials below them stated openly that they had knowledge but did not send it to their superiors, then Holder testified he never received memos of these tactics and that he put an end to them as soon as he found out they were happening.

Then after his 8th hearing and over 7000 pages of memos and documents turned over to this, Eric Holder stated that it was getting ridiculous and its an obvious witch hunt. Then Obama stopped cooperating with the witch hunt, and with the lack of evidence due to Obama using executive privileged, they held eric holder in contempt, stating that they had a lack of evidence and this vote was party line.

Again, your blowing it a bit out of proportion.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#10169 Sep 12, 2012
really wrote:
also wheres your outrage at the newly turned up lies from the entire bush administration that spoke to the 9/11 commission. During the entire 9/11 commission they stated that there was only one document with no evidence of a certified attack and no CIA intelligence suggesting an attack, and it has just been shown to be a lie. It has been shown that they openly lied to congress to save their ass and that there actually were 5 months worth of direct daily notice of an attack to the point that the people giving the notice asked for a job transfer because they didn't want to get blamed for the attack about to happen.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the...
That was the Bush administration lying to congress and covering up evidence of their incompetence that led to the largest attack on american soil in history....
You find that less outrageous than an operation gone wrong and obama not going along with a witch hunt?
Here is the history of 9/11
read Jan 20, 2001 to Sep. 10, 2001
G.W. was briefed 40 times and did nothing.
Guess he was too busy being on Vacation.
Have a nice night

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#10170 Sep 12, 2012
Sorry here is the post seems it didn't come up.
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp...
Have a nice night
We all hate Obama

Buffalo, NY

#10171 Sep 12, 2012
Hey you fat beer bellied ugly liberal bitch tbird.

Bill Clinton had ten chances to capture or kill Osama bin Laden between May 1998-May 1999 and did NOTHING.

The attackers were already trained and in the US ready for the attack under Clinton.

Obama is a Muslim terrorist sympathizer.

I wouldn't believe a damn thing the liberal media has to say. Liberals are in denial over the war on terror which is caused by Muslims. Think the AP will tell you the truth. They're all in on it to make Obama look good and to maker Romney look bad. That's the liberal medias job. Obama bias.

Four Americans dead in Libya. Obama apologizes.

Four Americans are dead after our embassy in Libya was attacked and burned with our US
ambassador and three other Americans were murdered by Muslim thugs. So how's your Arab Spring Obama?. Only 15% of Muslims approve of President Obama. Obama apologizing for a film by some Israeli's about the prophet Momhammad is ridiculus. The US embassy in Cairo Egypt was attacked, burned, the American flag torn down and an al-Qaeda flag put in it's place. The Muslim Brotherhood went to Iran for talks while Iran is building a nuclear bomb right under Obama flat wide nose. Obama is giving the Muslim Brothergood 1.4 billion US taxpayer dollars. This is disturbing and disgusting. Obama must go this November.

Tbird is a 64 yr old fat beer bellied idiot who doesn't have a clue what he's saying, like when he said vaccinations cause autism. Same shit for cell phones. The guy is an idiot.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#10172 Sep 12, 2012
really wrote:
also wheres your outrage at the newly turned up lies from the entire bush administration that spoke to the 9/11 commission. During the entire 9/11 commission they stated that there was only one document with no evidence of a certified attack and no CIA intelligence suggesting an attack, and it has just been shown to be a lie. It has been shown that they openly lied to congress to save their ass and that there actually were 5 months worth of direct daily notice of an attack to the point that the people giving the notice asked for a job transfer because they didn't want to get blamed for the attack about to happen.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the...
That was the Bush administration lying to congress and covering up evidence of their incompetence that led to the largest attack on american soil in history....
You find that less outrageous than an operation gone wrong and obama not going along with a witch hunt?
Read the first par. and remember G.W. was on VACATION fron Aug. 4th till the 30th.
I guess he didn't think it that important.
Have a nice night
nac

Merrick, NY

#10173 Sep 12, 2012
really wrote:
<quoted text>
They didn't. They sent a letter on February 4th stating that fast and furious existed but they had no knoweldge of the transfer of illegal guns. Then further officials below them stated openly that they had knowledge but did not send it to their superiors, then Holder testified he never received memos of these tactics and that he put an end to them as soon as he found out they were happening.
Then after his 8th hearing and over 7000 pages of memos and documents turned over to this, Eric Holder stated that it was getting ridiculous and its an obvious witch hunt. Then Obama stopped cooperating with the witch hunt, and with the lack of evidence due to Obama using executive privileged, they held eric holder in contempt, stating that they had a lack of evidence and this vote was party line.
Again, your blowing it a bit out of proportion.
17 Democrats voted to hold him in contempt. Hardly "party line" and hardly a witch hunt.

But fear not... the republicans are no better. They'll let it slide eventually in exchange for quid pro quo on something else. Round & round the corruption will go.

Yay blind partisanship!
really

Burbank, CA

#10174 Sep 12, 2012
We all hate Obama wrote:
Hey you fat beer bellied ugly liberal bitch tbird.
Bill Clinton had ten chances to capture or kill Osama bin Laden between May 1998-May 1999 and did NOTHING.
The attackers were already trained and in the US ready for the attack under Clinton.
Obama is a Muslim terrorist sympathizer.
I wouldn't believe a damn thing the liberal media has to say. Liberals are in denial over the war on terror which is caused by Muslims. Think the AP will tell you the truth. They're all in on it to make Obama look good and to maker Romney look bad. That's the liberal medias job. Obama bias.
Four Americans dead in Libya. Obama apologizes.
Four Americans are dead after our embassy in Libya was attacked and burned with our US
ambassador and three other Americans were murdered by Muslim thugs. So how's your Arab Spring Obama?. Only 15% of Muslims approve of President Obama. Obama apologizing for a film by some Israeli's about the prophet Momhammad is ridiculus. The US embassy in Cairo Egypt was attacked, burned, the American flag torn down and an al-Qaeda flag put in it's place. The Muslim Brotherhood went to Iran for talks while Iran is building a nuclear bomb right under Obama flat wide nose. Obama is giving the Muslim Brothergood 1.4 billion US taxpayer dollars. This is disturbing and disgusting. Obama must go this November.
Tbird is a 64 yr old fat beer bellied idiot who doesn't have a clue what he's saying, like when he said vaccinations cause autism. Same shit for cell phones. The guy is an idiot.
obama never apologized...you might want to look that up. Obama said, "I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi, which took the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens,... While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants," . No where in there is there an apology...

Also, bush began getting terrorist attack notices more than 5 months before 9/11....osama bin laden was at large during clinton...but it only stands that they would get more information to lead to an arrest...which they got before 9/11 and bush did nothing...

not having enough information and capitalizing on chances doesn't forgive neglect that led to the largest attack on the us ever, then a war in a country based off of false pretenses that killed over 100,000 people....

again...tea partiers be crazy

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