County organizations land $4 million to fight homelessness

[loweroceanlocal]

Done and Done wrote:

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And what is a Sentinel Topix thread without loweroceanlocal's ignorant posts? It's certainly something we've come to know and expect.
That (18%) figure has nothing to do with the magnet effect. More often than not, the homeless who are sent to SC from other regions eventually pack up and move to another area. Furthermore, if you bothered to actually read through more of the report than the first chart of numbers, you'd recognize that only 62% of responders said they were living in SC when they most recently became homeless, meaning that 38% are coming from other places.
This all goes without saying, the survey is only as good as the number of people it gained information from. There is no way to include all the homeless with a blanket survey.

yep. you said it yourself, most of the people who are sent here from other places end up leaving, in spite of all those services here that you claim are such a magnet. and the figures show that most of the homeless here were living indoors here when they became homeless, but you choose to concentrate on those who are not from here. the same things that attract housed people to santa cruz, attract the homeless...redwood trees, beaches, nice weather, culture, etc.

[Becky Johnson]

READERS SHOULD KNOW that pretty much everything CRAIG said in #27 is not true. I'd refute it, but it's not worth my time or the time of the readers.Note that CRAIG makes claims but doesn't even have a single direct quote from me to support his claims. Even those who conduct the homeless census explain that their statistics must be an undercount due to the methodology.

[DBS]

Sure thing crackpot.

Just like teachers make $800 A day.

Name ONE(1)

[zuzzah]

Becky Johnson wrote:

READERS SHOULD KNOW that pretty much everything CRAIG said in #27 is not true. I'd refute it, but it's not worth my time or the time of the readers.Note that CRAIG makes claims but doesn't even have a single direct quote from me to support his claims. Even those who conduct the homeless census explain that their statistics must be an undercount due to the methodology.

Do you mean this one BJ?...and there is no indication that Craig has ever posted untrue information, as possibly verified that 4 days after his post, it is still there (were you hitting the abuse button for all those days BJ?):

CRAIG:

"Not so fast BECKY.

The numbers used in the article are the NEW numbers. You also NEVER claimed that the percentage went as high as 3%. You always said between 1% and 2%. When you made your claim the number of homeless in Santa Cruz was higher then the new count.

Also, you have used county numbers and used them against city numbers. You've used city numbers against county numbers. And when people asked you to clarify which set you were using you waffled.

Should we also bring up how you previously said we should add tourists into the population of the city in order to arrive at your 1%. Remember? YOU said the city population was really 9000 people higher because of tourists.

As for your math. Specific numbers were given out. You said, at the time, that there were 1500 homeless people in the CITY of Santa Cruz, and that number represented 1% of the population. When you were informed that the population of the city is 54,000 and 1500 is NOT 1% of that figure, you continued to state the number was 1%.

You are claiming you were right back then because of a new set of numbers NOW? No. You were wrong back then and that does not change.

Nice try.

And I'll add, just a few weeks back you said that the new numbers were not correct as you estimated the number was higher then stated. An "undercount" you claimed."

[Done and Done]

loweroceanlocal wrote:

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yep. you said it yourself, most of the people who are sent here from other places end up leaving, in spite of all those services here that you claim are such a magnet. and the figures show that most of the homeless here were living indoors here when they became homeless, but you choose to concentrate on those who are not from here. the same things that attract housed people to santa cruz, attract the homeless...redwood trees, beaches, nice weather, culture, etc.

Clearly it's difficult for you to comprehend and analyze what was written in that report. It was broken down to you by a couple of posters on this forum, myself included, but I don't expect you to understand it.

The numbers tell the story that more and more homeless are migrating to Santa Cruz County. Why you choose to believe otherwise with clear and concise evidence pointing against your claim is your prerogative.

[Done and Done]

loweroceanlocal,

In post #52 you wrote, "we have more people getting help than ever before, and we still have less homeless coming in."

It's quite clear that MORE homeless are coming in, not less.

You go on to write, "you said it yourself, most of the people who are sent here from other places end up leaving."

Regardless of whether homeless come into SC County and stay or leave, the fact is homeless come here. Other counties across CA are providing homeless people with one-way bus tickets right into downtown. This creates a difficult problem for the relatively scarce resources available to the local homeless populations.

"but you choose to concentrate on those who are not from here."

No, I choose to prove you wrong when you had stated that SC was not a magnet and "less homeless were coming in."

[Ryan Sheard]

That person, Josh Alejo is a sex predator, using drugs to induce women. He gets them really high on ectasy on controls their every thought. The women there is my wife, Thea Sheard who left me and her three kids 5 days before Christmas 2008. She abandoned even the one poictured in this article untill exploiting her to meet the requirements of the family shelter coinsidently. So now she has her over twice a week. This drug dealing loser is on mental disability and has a license to smoke pot at 23.He has not worked more than a year in his life and has knocked up my wife. She is in a drug psychosis and is narcisistic and borderline pshychotic herself. She left me for this loser, and her other two kids that a care for without a dime of child support. What do you think of the homeless shelter now. And she and him are the friggen poster people.

[Ryan Sheard]

Give me the 4 million to raise her children.

[Becky Johnson]

DONE AND DONE WRITES: "Other counties across CA are providing homeless people with one-way bus tickets right into downtown."

BECKY: This statement is completely untrue.

[Done and Done]

Becky Johnson wrote:

DONE AND DONE WRITES: "Other counties across CA are providing homeless people with one-way bus tickets right into downtown."
BECKY: This statement is completely untrue.

Actually, no it's not. I know of plenty of instances where homeless from Yolo, Solano, and Nevada Counties are offered one-way bus tickets to Santa Cruz Counties.

In any event, you have information that can back up your claim? This is like your $800 per day, teacher salary claim, except you're the one in disagreement. Though, one of the main differences is that my claim comes directly from people in the know and not from a second-hand source with whom you have no regular contact with.

[Done and Done]

Becky Johnson wrote:

DONE AND DONE WRITES: "Actually, no it's not. I know of plenty of instances where homeless from Yolo, Solano, and Nevada Counties are offered one-way bus tickets to Santa Cruz Counties."
BECKY: Liar. Got proof?.....I didn't think so.

Personally knowing police officers and social workers from each of those counties, as well as personally knowing homeless individuals who have experienced this is my "proof."

"Got proof?......I didn't think so." Would you accept this response to your $800 per day teacher salary claim?

Nice try, Becky.

[Done and Done]

Becky Johnson wrote:

READERS SHOULD KNOW that it's not necessarily a bad thing for a county to offer a homeless person a one-way bus ticket to a different locality, but the practice of just shipping homeless people "anywhere but here" is a thing of the past.
If a homeless person in , say Yolo County, tells the social service provider there that they have family in Santa Cruz that will take them in, then yes, a bus ticket might be issued. And that would be okay too.
But the practice DONE AND DONE claims is occurring is just a myth---and one he has no problem perpetuating. Readers should be forewarned.

Becky, you "warn" readers throughout multiple forums regarding your perception of given matters, however, do you honestly think they'll believe you? In the court of Public Opinion, your thoughts have proven to mean very, very little.

[Done and Done]

Becky Johnson wrote:

DONE AND DONE WRITES: "Other counties across CA are providing homeless people with one-way bus tickets right into downtown."
BECKY: This statement is completely untrue.

You write that my statement is "completely untrue," then go on to post a comment in which you cite cases in which homeless are provided one-way tickets to Santa Cruz.

C'mon, Becky, I thought even you were better than this. Nice try.

[Becky Johnson]

DONE AND DONE WRITES: "Personally knowing police officers and social workers from each of those counties, as well as personally knowing homeless individuals who have experienced this is my "proof."

BECKY: So you heard this from them in 1980?

I assure you, it is no longer done today. Cities and counties are very touchy about this. The last case I remember hearing about this was when San Jose was issuing bus tickets to Turlock. The officials in San Jose put a quick stop to that. I haven't heard of a case since.

Yes, it used to be done fairly frequently. It's just not done now. Social service providers find it deplorable. City government managers react very quickly to condemn any other city that does it.

BTW--I'm still waiting for your answer on the Engineers 1st level to 2nd level. I asked you, if an engineer is hired at the entry level, and after having achieved their required years of experience in order to apply for testing and advancement to the 2nd level, are they fired if they don't? And do they have to pay for the tuition, fees, books, transportation costs, etc. out of pocket like teachers have to?

You DO advise future engineers and teachers on these matters, don't you?

[Becky Johnson]

DONE AND DONE WRITES: "You write that my statement is "completely untrue," then go on to post a comment in which you cite cases in which homeless are provided one-way tickets to Santa Cruz. C'mon, Becky, I thought even you were better than this. Nice try."

BECKY: Thanks for calling me BECKY. Yeah. You are right. I meant that the practice of providing a one-way bus ticket to "any city but ours" is a thing of the past. However, cities (including ours) sometimes do provide a one-way bus ticket for a homeless person to go to another city IF they have housing available to them there if they go. HUFF has already issued a resolution approving of the latter.

Does that clear it up for you?

[Done and Done]

Becky Johnson wrote:

DONE AND DONE WRITES: "Personally knowing police officers and social workers from each of those counties, as well as personally knowing homeless individuals who have experienced this is my "proof."
BECKY: So you heard this from them in 1980?
I assure you, it is no longer done today. Cities and counties are very touchy about this. The last case I remember hearing about this was when San Jose was issuing bus tickets to Turlock. The officials in San Jose put a quick stop to that. I haven't heard of a case since.
Yes, it used to be done fairly frequently. It's just not done now. Social service providers find it deplorable. City government managers react very quickly to condemn any other city that does it.
BTW--I'm still waiting for your answer on the Engineers 1st level to 2nd level. I asked you, if an engineer is hired at the entry level, and after having achieved their required years of experience in order to apply for testing and advancement to the 2nd level, are they fired if they don't? And do they have to pay for the tuition, fees, books, transportation costs, etc. out of pocket like teachers have to?
You DO advise future engineers and teachers on these matters, don't you?

With respect to the one-way tickets, they do still happen. I know personally a couple of beneficiaries of the practice. It's easier for cities and counties to send a person to another location as opposed to putting up the cost in their own areas. It costs less for a social worker to send them to "family" in another area than it would be to put homeless up in an SLE or half-way house for a given amount of time. While it may not be as "up-front" as it once was, the practice still continues under the guise of treatment or other names.

I don't know what happens to engineers from entry level to their next step. All I know is that engineers are expected to complete and pass an EIT exam (Engineer in Training) prior to beginning work as an engineer. From there, my understanding is engineers work roughly 4-5 years before taking another exam in order to achieve the next level. The EIT or any other engineering related exams are not associated with the school system to my knowledge. I would imagine that if an engineer who does not pass the second exam would be let go in favor of a more promising candidate. As for any test prep, exam costs, and study materials, yes that does come out of pocket. I know that much from two roommates I had two years ago. However, I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a particular firm or agency fronting the cost for a promising applicant.

[Done and Done]

Becky Johnson wrote:

DONE AND DONE WRITES: "Becky, you "warn" readers throughout multiple forums regarding your perception of given matters, however, do you honestly think they'll believe you? In the court of Public Opinion, your thoughts have proven to mean very, very little."
BECKY: You are only speaking so smugly because you have found belonging and safety in numbers in your comfortable seat in my "Jeering Section". I assure you, you are among a very small and very outspoken group. They use multiple aliases in order to appear to be a much larger group. And with the exception of GAIL (God Bless her!) they all hide behind pseudonyms.
They follow me around like puppies, waiting for a crumb to drop, salivating the whole time. Why someone as educated and accomplished as you would join the likes them is a mystery to me. It's obvious you have command of the English language and have read a thing or two, so your participation here is somewhat of a mystery.
I can only guess that you are here dogging me because you have your own deeply held prejudices against homeless people, and I regularly challenge those perceptions. That gets your goat, doesn't it? After all, since you are so darn smart, how dare I?

You don't know me nor do you know my story. You continue to make blind assumptions and false accusations based on no substantial claims. You make "guess" work and think that I have "deeply held prejudices against homeless people" and that couldn't be further from the truth. If you think that my perception of you (which is based entirely off of these forums and what you say here) is in anyway tied to my perception of any homeless population, you're sorely mistaken.

My participation on these forums are, more or less, a connection to the past. I don't live in the area any more, but I like to stay current. I still come to visit family and friends in the area quite frequently and still feel a vested interest to Santa Cruz County. When I started reading your comments, I have found to be in disagreement with a number of them and voice my opinion. You may find it smug, but readers don't have to comment on these boards to disagree with you. I can assure you, outside of these forums, your opinions and thoughts are in the minority.

I'm sure you'll continue on with wild and outrageous claims and while I may not comment on all of them, like many others I am in disagreement with most of them.

[falsum in toto]

Becky Johnson wrote:

DONE AND DONE WRITES: "Becky, you "warn" readers throughout multiple forums regarding your perception of given matters, however, do you honestly think they'll believe you? In the court of Public Opinion, your thoughts have proven to mean very, very little."
BECKY: You are only speaking so smugly because you have found belonging and safety in numbers in your comfortable seat in my "Jeering Section". I assure you, you are among a very small and very outspoken group. They use multiple aliases in order to appear to be a much larger group. And with the exception of GAIL (God Bless her!) they all hide behind pseudonyms.
They follow me around like puppies, waiting for a crumb to drop, salivating the whole time. Why someone as educated and accomplished as you would join the likes them is a mystery to me. It's obvious you have command of the English language and have read a thing or two, so your participation here is somewhat of a mystery.
I can only guess that you are here dogging me because you have your own deeply held prejudices against homeless people, and I regularly challenge those perceptions. That gets your goat, doesn't it? After all, since you are so darn smart, how dare I?

In reality, you are followed by many more than you imagine and your drivel commented upon not due to prejudice, but to present truth to combat your lies.

Unfortunately this has the unintentional side effect of stroking your self over inflated ego. Too bad for you that this is the only place you can get yourself attention of any kind. what a piece o work you are

[Becky The Delusionist]

I don't counter your opinions because I have the homeless; I counter your opinions because they are regularly presented as fact and supported by lies.

You've deluded yourself on reality, in regards to myriad issues including the number of people who reply to you because of your constant lying. Find comfort in pretending its only a few; in reality its the majority of people who read your posts, and virtually all that reply to you.

Do you not find it telling that only you, of all the people on topix, appears to be treated as a pariah?

[Done and Done]

Becky Johnson wrote:

DONE AND DONE WRITES: "Personally knowing police officers and social workers from each of those counties, as well as personally knowing homeless individuals who have experienced this is my "proof."
BECKY: So you heard this from them in 1980?
I assure you, it is no longer done today. Cities and counties are very touchy about this. The last case I remember hearing about this was when San Jose was issuing bus tickets to Turlock. The officials in San Jose put a quick stop to that. I haven't heard of a case since.
Yes, it used to be done fairly frequently. It's just not done now. Social service providers find it deplorable. City government managers react very quickly to condemn any other city that does it.
BTW--I'm still waiting for your answer on the Engineers 1st level to 2nd level. I asked you, if an engineer is hired at the entry level, and after having achieved their required years of experience in order to apply for testing and advancement to the 2nd level, are they fired if they don't? And do they have to pay for the tuition, fees, books, transportation costs, etc. out of pocket like teachers have to?
You DO advise future engineers and teachers on these matters, don't you?

One more note with respect to the engineering aspect, I am not sure if the EIT works the same across all fields of engineering. The cases that I have experienced have all dealt with civil engineers. Also, not all students graduating with engineering degrees end up becoming an engineers. Any type of engineering degree is in relatively high demand and could command a higher starting salary depending on the quality of graduate/applicant.