Fox High School Superintendent
thats right

Saint Louis, MO

#1334 May 13, 2014
Watcher wrote:
Not enough funds in the bank for wax? Please don't skimp on toilet paper or towels.
Kids throw them one the floor and dump them one in the toilets or even just piss on them in the dispenser any way.
pants on fire

Saint Louis, MO

#1335 May 28, 2014
WOW wasn't the burger flipping queen hire enough?

Could Fox not find anyone more qualified to take care of the money?
Former C-6 Student

Farmington, MO

#1336 May 30, 2014
This is all very sad. Whether she is right or wrong...good or bad...a witch or a princess, she is still the person in charge and the students have access to this forum. You may have every right to morally or legally dislike or disrespect her, but using social media to trash her and each other is a pitiful example for the city of Arnold and the C-6 students. Just because you are not using foul language and use proper grammar does not make the posts any less damaging, as I am sure is the intent. At this point after reading some of these posts, I wonder how any of you can judge one another's behavior. If you feel you have a legal claim...let the court decide, but when you are typing or saying things about people, judge not lest ye be judged. I will pray you all find some peace.
Concerned Parent Teacher

Fairhope, AL

#1337 May 30, 2014
Nothing will change if hiring is done from within. We need administrators from outside the area to clean up a very negative reputation
Missouri Karen

Arnold, MO

#1338 May 30, 2014
full circle wrote:
No one who works in the district would dare say any of this with their name attached, they would be fired. I just wonder if one of the characters of the month should be "fidelity" there seems to be a lack of it going around.
AMEN! Interesting to look around central office and count the number of administrators who had extra marital affairs and broke up marriages and children's lives, in order to be married to their current spouses. I choke, every time I drive past the word of the month sign and read, "character". Which month will they display the word of the month as being, "sleazy"?

Since: May 14

Saint Louis, MO

#1339 May 30, 2014
I'd like to know who is responsible for the collapse of the football and wrestling program at fox for the last 4years its an embarrassment they cannot even field full squads what's the problem
Sam Ferry

Saint Louis, MO

#1340 May 30, 2014
Concerned Parent Teacher wrote:
Nothing will change if hiring is done from within. We need administrators from outside the area to clean up a very negative reputation
Agree, and encourage everyone and anyone to bring this up to the current Board. Although it is a rude awakening for them it is an awakening none the less, and so being they are probably the most receptive that they have been for a while. Email the BOE and tell them why the current choices within the central office will not be good enough. Don't forget that this current super was the only one who applied at the time. It is time, right now, to help this district get it's actual character back!
Eileen

Arnold, MO

#1341 May 31, 2014
I wonder if the comments being made in Jan, Feb & March 2014, were from some of the same 'accused' people?

Certainly sounds like it.
Tim

United States

#1343 Jun 1, 2014
no name wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not true because she's not an elected official moron. I worked for the district too and live in the district so according to you I paid my salary too. So for my part but out. All you need to know and deserve to know is that she's on FMLA. You're a part of one of the most financially solvent districts in the state. The awards speak for themselves. Read up and get educated.
My children have textbooks printed in 1993. The rest of us have to EARN a living. We don't get it handed to us by family members I could be wrong but my guess " no name" is that you have benefitted by this system somehow because no logical person would think that what has happened here is right.
Watcher

Chesterfield, MO

#1344 Jun 4, 2014
Paul Vinson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are worried about losing your job because you "slander" somebody in public, then you simply don't. You keep your mouth shut and keep your priorities in order and keep your job.
Just because a handful of anonymous folks can take potshots in public doesn't mean there is truth behind any of this.
I'm not going to stand here and let Dianne take abuse from people who don't have the guts to tackle this head on. There are channels to address misconduct; if teachers have been unfairly terminated or disciplined, then use those channels.
You don't use your own name, I don't take it serious.
Dianne has done a wonderful job over the years, and I hope she finishes her career in the Fox school district.
Just a repost from 2010.
Watcher

Chesterfield, MO

#1345 Jun 4, 2014
Just a repost from 2010.
Paul Vinson wrote:
<quoted text>
No need to doubt it. I do not know the real reason for her divorce. Haven't talked to her in months. It's none of my business.
Yes, I am defending Brown. To quote my earliest post, she is smart, talented, successful and attractive (the last adjective probably makes some naysayers motivated by jealousy). In my opinion, she has done a great job, with and for the kids.
Yes, you are confirming it for your kids while you drag it out of your kids. Great job. However, contrary to your comment above, I did not say you were "worthless"; I said your opinion is worthless because you remain anonymous.
I have no interest in going on a 'fact-finding' mission and doing somebody's dirty work for them. Who am I to go on a fact-finding mission? Who are you?...wait, we don't know who you are....
If any victims of Dianne's alleged abuse are reading this, then use proper channels. Go in front of the school board and speak/file a complaint. If it's true, put your name to it so it will carry weight.
Her silence does not speak wonders, it speaks wisdom, for if she came onto this forum you and others would jump on her and jam your "truth" down her throat. She could not win regardless of whatever the truth may be. Who needs that kind of stress? Divorce is enough stress by itself.
Finally, like "betty" said, we should be focused on what would make the schools better for the kids. If that means YOU running for school board, then go for it. I may even vote for you, if I knew who you were. Once you ride that ride you'll have a different take on politics.
luvhockey

Saint Louis, MO

#1346 Jun 4, 2014
So 4 people put on PAID leave. I figured that would happen. Crutchley named interim super.
WonderWoman

Saint Louis, MO

#1347 Jun 4, 2014
luvhockey wrote:
So 4 people put on PAID leave. I figured that would happen. Crutchley named interim super.
Legally that is what the BOE has to do. They then have to investigate (look at the information brought forth) and then they can dole out punishment. They are following the letter of the law so that they don't open the district up to a lawsuit. This should play out the way you want it to.
luvhockey

Saint Louis, MO

#1348 Jun 4, 2014
WonderWoman wrote:
<quoted text>Legally that is what the BOE has to do. They then have to investigate (look at the information brought forth) and then they can dole out punishment. They are following the letter of the law so that they don't open the district up to a lawsuit. This should play out the way you want it to.
It's so hard on forums to know what the tone of a comment is. I didn't mean my comment sarcastically but that I really did figure that is what would happen. Just as you stated. They have to go down a certain path to get to the main objective. Granted it won't be fast enough and I despise these 'characters' getting paid but I understand the reasoning behind it.
Concerned

Scott Air Force Base, IL

#1349 Jun 4, 2014
WonderWoman wrote:
<quoted text>Legally that is what the BOE has to do. They then have to investigate (look at the information brought forth) and then they can dole out punishment. They are following the letter of the law so that they don't open the district up to a lawsuit. This should play out the way you want it to.
You know, this really bothers me. Witch hunt to the end. So for a libel case to be successful, you have to prove the statements are false. How do you prove that things like sex with animals or kids is false? Albeit, a common person would likely believe that they are false, but man, that's a tough one to prove! Second, you have to prove that the person you're suing is the responsible party who made the allegations. What's to stop one of the defendants from driving over to the homes of the 4 persons who are accused and hijacking their wifi to make the comments themselves? If the defendants had an axe to grind, who's to say they didn't concoct the whole thing just to get the admins fired and to make a buck or two in the process? Who's to say a relative of the admins isn't responsible?

In short, this is going to be a witch hunt and a smear campaign and ultimately won't result in anything positive. Not the first one to be carried out here.
Concerned

Scott Air Force Base, IL

#1350 Jun 4, 2014
correction: whats to stop one of the plaintiffs...
Matt Hay

Fenton, MO

#1351 Jun 4, 2014
Concerned wrote:
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You know, this really bothers me. Witch hunt to the end. So for a libel case to be successful, you have to prove the statements are false. How do you prove that things like sex with animals or kids is false? Albeit, a common person would likely believe that they are false, but man, that's a tough one to prove! Second, you have to prove that the person you're suing is the responsible party who made the allegations. What's to stop one of the defendants from driving over to the homes of the 4 persons who are accused and hijacking their wifi to make the comments themselves? If the defendants had an axe to grind, who's to say they didn't concoct the whole thing just to get the admins fired and to make a buck or two in the process? Who's to say a relative of the admins isn't responsible?
In short, this is going to be a witch hunt and a smear campaign and ultimately won't result in anything positive. Not the first one to be carried out here.
Claims are made all of the time under the DMCA, which is the same concept we have here with end user identification. The ISPs have likely downloaded the IP tables on the Routers at these individuals homes, which will have the internal IP and MAC address mapping. You will easily be able to see from these tables whether the internal IP address is assigned to a once off MAC (ie an individual who has happened to crack the LAN and is able to post information, some of which only these administrators would know, in a well organized and complex effort to frame them over a 6 month period of time), or a MAC address which is constantly on the LAN indicating that it is not a once off event.

Everything is tracked these days, and since this is a civil suit, the legal standard is only preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt.

As for proving the statements false, libel just requires the statements to be injurious to ones reputation. The burden is on the respondent to assert that the claims are true as an affirmative defense to the claim. So there is no requirement on the plaintiff to prove the statements false, as private individuals, the bar they must hurdle is that their reputations were injured by such publication of these statements. Calling someone a child molester or saying they have engaged in fellatio with a donkey, etc. are certainly injurious to ones reputation. I would have a hard time believing that a just of 12 of our peers would see it any other way.
Concerned

Scott Air Force Base, IL

#1352 Jun 4, 2014
Matt Hay wrote:
<quoted text>
The ISPs have likely downloaded the IP tables on the Routers at these individuals homes, which will have the internal IP and MAC address mapping.
I'll grant you the rest of your post as I'm not a lawyer, but the actions in this statement would be illegal. If the ISP's did that, they would be in a lot of trouble. Besides, again, a MAC address a user dost not make. You would need corroborating information showing that the person in question was indeed at the keyboard.

I still think it's going to be a tough case to prove. Not to mention, the admins have been under heavy attack for years by folks on this website. Even Sam Ferry himself admitted to having attacked the district to the point where they filed suit against him in an earlier post. If that's the case, then it seems to me that two (or more likely hundreds) of mistakes don't make a right.
Matt Hay

Fenton, MO

#1354 Jun 4, 2014
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll grant you the rest of your post as I'm not a lawyer, but the actions in this statement would be illegal. If the ISP's did that, they would be in a lot of trouble. Besides, again, a MAC address a user dost not make. You would need corroborating information showing that the person in question was indeed at the keyboard.
I still think it's going to be a tough case to prove. Not to mention, the admins have been under heavy attack for years by folks on this website. Even Sam Ferry himself admitted to having attacked the district to the point where they filed suit against him in an earlier post. If that's the case, then it seems to me that two (or more likely hundreds) of mistakes don't make a right.
How would that be illegal of the ISPs? It is all within the terms of the Service agreement. They receive Router logs for "diagnostic" purposes. Again, it is preponderance of the evidence. Look at any suit filed under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Again, some of the information posted was information with only certain individuals would have awareness of. The rest is up to the jury.

As for Sam, I do not believe a lawsuit was filed against him. They did send cease and desist letters to Sam, Richard, and Michelle, however, it might be of note that it seems that the attorney's who sent those cease and desist letters on behalf of Dianne Critchlow were fired this evening. It was done in closed session (which is a Sunshine Violation) however, I wonder if they did so as a way to decrease their liability for the actions of their legal counsel at the time.

Again in closing, I am not sure what to tell you, it is not at all insurmountable in a civil suit. Reference any and all of the DMCA lawsuits, everyone has the same hurdle with regarding to proving who the actual individual was at the keyboard. You can say it is impossible all you would like, but that does not make it true.
Sauce_for_the_ga nder

Saint Louis, MO

#1355 Jun 5, 2014
Thinking about Tim this morning. Wondering if any of the BOE members have any children/spouses/lovers who've never actually been a superintendent before but are really, really enthusiastic about taking home $250K/year.

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