Fox High School Superintendent
Enough Indeed

Columbia, MO

#110 Nov 15, 2010
I just read through all these posts...

Bwahahahaa... Do you think the board will pay attention to a pot stirring disgruntled hag on a forum? You are wasting your breath "please". You really need to find another crusade to embarque on. Maybe like "Im a taxpayer and need a stop-light at my intersection!!!".... or "My taxes are being spent on roads that arent near my house!!!" or better yet... "I pay taxes so hear me whine about things that I know nothing about or are any of my business!!!" You are NOT entitled by paying taxes to slander others.
Paul Vinson

United States

#111 Nov 15, 2010
CRMG wrote:
Mr. Vinson,
Did you ever think that by the individual posting their name could jeopardize their job? Just because they are anonymous does not mean what they are saying doesn't count. Some people have very valid reason for posting under aliases.
If you are worried about losing your job because you "slander" somebody in public, then you simply don't. You keep your mouth shut and keep your priorities in order and keep your job.

Just because a handful of anonymous folks can take potshots in public doesn't mean there is truth behind any of this.

I'm not going to stand here and let Dianne take abuse from people who don't have the guts to tackle this head on. There are channels to address misconduct; if teachers have been unfairly terminated or disciplined, then use those channels.

You don't use your own name, I don't take it serious.

Dianne has done a wonderful job over the years, and I hope she finishes her career in the Fox school district.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#112 Nov 15, 2010
That's sad that you don't take people serious if they don't use their name. Maybe the person has exhausted all other options and wants he public to know. Just because a person doesn't use their name doesn't mean that it is slander. And you may think you know Brown, but maybe she is keeping a secret from you and if it turns out to be the truth you will look like the smaller person.

I'm glad they let the public know. Let Brown defend herself. Her silence speaks wonders.
Paul Vinson

United States

#113 Nov 15, 2010
CRMG wrote:
(snip) Let Brown defend herself. Her silence speaks wonders.
Actually, I hope she isn't reading this stuff; she has a job to do.

And yes, I have a habit of looking like the "smaller" person, but at least you can identify me.

There is no profit in honesty, but I could be a weasel and post all kinds of crap starting out with "...just wanted you to know...".
Please

Sunrise Beach, MO

#114 Nov 15, 2010
Enough Indeed wrote:
I just read through all these posts...
Bwahahahaa... Do you think the board will pay attention to a pot stirring disgruntled hag on a forum? You are wasting your breath "please". You really need to find another crusade to embarque on. Maybe like "Im a taxpayer and need a stop-light at my intersection!!!".... or "My taxes are being spent on roads that arent near my house!!!" or better yet... "I pay taxes so hear me whine about things that I know nothing about or are any of my business!!!" You are NOT entitled by paying taxes to slander others.
Hey buddy I put my pants on the same way you do and what makes you think I am a she? The last time I checked this was a forum to discuss different topics in the community. If you don't like it then by all means don't read it! It is that simple.

Mr. Vinson with all due respect I don't think it is slander if it is the truth. You yourself should know that when you in such a position as hers you have a fine line as to what a private life. I myself am told that I must watch myself at all times when in public. If I have a few drinks in publicand say something that a parent does not like it could reflect on me. So when administration wants the teachers to uphold a certain standard so also should the "preacher". You know Mr. Vinson I remember a day when you youself may have been uncertain to the opinions that the lady Ms. Bogelt had with the city of Arnold. I think you may have jumped on that same train as her now so there is still reason to believe that the more people that speak out against wrong behaviors within our school district you may get the message
How Stupid

Saint Louis, MO

#115 Nov 15, 2010
Paul Vinson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are worried about losing your job because you "slander" somebody in public, then you simply don't. You keep your mouth shut and keep your priorities in order and keep your job.
Just because a handful of anonymous folks can take potshots in public doesn't mean there is truth behind any of this.
I'm not going to stand here and let Dianne take abuse from people who don't have the guts to tackle this head on. There are channels to address misconduct; if teachers have been unfairly terminated or disciplined, then use those channels.
You don't use your own name, I don't take it serious.
Dianne has done a wonderful job over the years, and I hope she finishes her career in the Fox school district.
TRUTH is not slander you moron. How fitting of an EX Councilman to tell someone to shut their mouth and move along to keep their job.

Let's see you put your name out there, and tried to tell the truth against the CFABA club and what did it get you but being called a porn king and removed from the council, did it not ? Looks like the very same corupt ones are still sitting up there aren't they.
It appears the proper channels got you NO WHERE if you ask me.

Doris has used her own name on here for years and what does she get? Telling the truth on here get's her called insane and crazy. Her and her children are attacked at every event. I don't believe using your own name is the safest route to take especially if it means losing your job.

So for you to tell someone that their statements are meaningless
because they are trying to get the truth out is at best in my opinion assinine. Just who do you think you are ?
When someone on here has something to say I intend to listen and it is up to me to decide for myself and form an intelligent opinion. Now as I said before all the high school students know this is fact. And now I have had a chance to talk to teachers and some of them know it as fact.
So you sir can SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE ! Unless you can prove or have some type of evidence that it is not true, calling someone crazy or telling them to shut up it not going to work for me.

FACT is the high and mighty MS BROWN has been making a complete specticle of herself and it needs to stop or she needs to step down.
FACT IS the school board in this town is just as effed up as the council and they both need to be cleaned out. WE as the concerned parents and citizens do get to vote you know, and it is a darn good idea that we are informed of what is going on and who we are voting for.

If in fact it is TRUE that Ms Brown has been engaging herself in an unprofessional manner so much in fact that students and teachers are losing respect for her. Do you think that is OK ?
Explain yourself to all of us.
Enough Indeed

Columbia, MO

#116 Nov 15, 2010
So what is it you want? Perhaps we should make you the superintendant or a principal. Im sure you have the degree, credentials and the moral turpitude to make the district so much better than it already is. Hold yourself to a higher standard. It would make your lack of self-confidence elevate. Its obvious on here that people who attack and slander have very little appreciation for themselves.

Stone throwers always amaze me. Paul i applaud you for standing up for the district and Dr Brown. For the rest of these people...they are truly worthless.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#117 Nov 15, 2010
So you are defending Brown I take it? Just because I believe they are telling the truth and have talked to some of my friend's kids that have confirmed it I am worthless? Yeah, right. Maybe you, too, should go on a fact finding mission to determine who is telling the truth.

And Paul, Brown should get on here and read his and defend herself if it is not true. Again, her silence speaks wonders. Do you know the real reason for her divorce? Doubt it.
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#118 Nov 15, 2010
Let me be the first one to say that Mr. Vinson did not "lose" his seat on the council. He moved out of his ward and relinquished the seat voluntarily.
betty

United States

#119 Nov 15, 2010
I have always been happy with the education that my children have and granchildren continue to receive in the Fox C-6 School District. Let's put this energy to use by contacting our politicians and encouraging them to work on the budget so our Missouri schools quit taking hit after hit. That's much more important to me than Dr. Brown's personal life.
Paul Vinson

United States

#120 Nov 15, 2010
Doris Borgelt wrote:
Let me be the first one to say that Mr. Vinson did not "lose" his seat on the council. He moved out of his ward and relinquished the seat voluntarily.
To set the recored straight;

1) I decided not to run for re-election and dropped out on the last day of filing.
2) Two months later, but before election, I bought a new house in a different ward.
3) For the last two weeks of my term (after closing on the new house) I slept on a cot in the old house before renting out the house.

After one term on the City Council I could not stomach the double-speak and antics, felt I had done my part, and wanted to give someone else a turn.

Everybody should take a turn on the council, even the "SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE" types that can only be demonstrative while being anonymous.
Paul Vinson

United States

#121 Nov 15, 2010
CRMG wrote:
So you are defending Brown I take it? Just because I believe they are telling the truth and have talked to some of my friend's kids that have confirmed it I am worthless? Yeah, right. Maybe you, too, should go on a fact finding mission to determine who is telling the truth.
And Paul, Brown should get on here and read his and defend herself if it is not true. Again, her silence speaks wonders. Do you know the real reason for her divorce? Doubt it.
No need to doubt it. I do not know the real reason for her divorce. Haven't talked to her in months. It's none of my business.

Yes, I am defending Brown. To quote my earliest post, she is smart, talented, successful and attractive (the last adjective probably makes some naysayers motivated by jealousy). In my opinion, she has done a great job, with and for the kids.

Yes, you are confirming it for your kids while you drag it out of your kids. Great job. However, contrary to your comment above, I did not say you were "worthless"; I said your opinion is worthless because you remain anonymous.

I have no interest in going on a 'fact-finding' mission and doing somebody's dirty work for them. Who am I to go on a fact-finding mission? Who are you?...wait, we don't know who you are....

If any victims of Dianne's alleged abuse are reading this, then use proper channels. Go in front of the school board and speak/file a complaint. If it's true, put your name to it so it will carry weight.

Her silence does not speak wonders, it speaks wisdom, for if she came onto this forum you and others would jump on her and jam your "truth" down her throat. She could not win regardless of whatever the truth may be. Who needs that kind of stress? Divorce is enough stress by itself.

Finally, like "betty" said, we should be focused on what would make the schools better for the kids. If that means YOU running for school board, then go for it. I may even vote for you, if I knew who you were. Once you ride that ride you'll have a different take on politics.
SeckmanMoM

Saint Louis, MO

#122 Nov 15, 2010
This topic here is not about you.
How Stupid wrote:
<quoted text>
If in fact it is TRUE that Ms Brown has been engaging herself in an unprofessional manner so much in fact that students and teachers are losing respect for her. Do you think that is OK ?
Explain yourself to all of us.
Noticed you didn’t bother to answer the posters question. Why?
Does that mean you are ok with affairs in the superintendents office?
Paul Vinson

Saint Louis, MO

#123 Nov 15, 2010
SeckmanMoM wrote:
This topic here is not about you.
<quoted text>
Noticed you didn’t bother to answer the posters question. Why?
Does that mean you are ok with affairs in the superintendents office?
Yes, you noticed correctly in that I ignored "How Stupid"'s question. He told me to "SHUT MY PIE HOLE". You expect me to respond to that?

On your last question, you are substituting allegations and supposition for fact. That's a great debate tactic.

See, now by responding to your post I've probably offended you.

Were you a supporter of the Fox administration before believing in these rumors?
SeckmanMoM

Saint Louis, MO

#124 Nov 15, 2010
You are side stepping Paul Vinson.

Are you or are you not ok with affairs in the work place?
Nearby

Lake Ozark, MO

#125 Nov 15, 2010
If you go to DeSoto Missouri Topix, it seems they are having a similar problem there.
What Are Proper Channels

East Saint Louis, IL

#126 Nov 15, 2010
Mr. Vinson, I attempted to go through the 'proper channels' and address the school board. However, Ms. Brown blocked me from exercising my rights by telling me that the school board had decided that they would not speak to me on a matter. It is very strange that she told me this at a school board meeting while the school board president himself was speaking to me and the board secretary about putting me onto the schedule for next month's board meeting. The board president told me that he had forgotten to put me onto the schedule for that evening's meeting after I had already spoken to him on the phone earlier about meeting with the board on an issue. There were other board members present at the head table that heard Ms. Brown tell me that the board had already met and decided not to speak to me. I asked Ms. Brown how the board president was unaware of the board's decision not to speak to me. I was told that they had already decided not to speak to me. So, if this is how Ms. Brown conducts business, then I can see how others would have problems going through the 'proper channels' as well.
So, if Ms. Brown decides that she does not want an issue to be heard by the school board, she simply tells the parent(s) or citizens that the school board has decided not to speak with them making it quite easy for her to cover up any issues that may not be favorable for her or for the district that may reflect badly on her. So, if the board does not get to hear about negative issues, how will they know one exists? From what I understand, it has been known for many years about this type of behavior and that people have feared for their jobs and that parents have been met with resistance and/or retaliation when attempting to communicate through the 'proper channels'. So, I then wrote to each of the board members. From that attempt, I received a letter from the school district attorney informing me that all communications needed to go through them. So then I called a few school board members that I knew and they told me that the school district attorney had informed them not to speak with me regarding my issue.
So, how open is our school district to discuss matters when your own school board is blocked by the superintendent and then by the attorneys? Writing to the school district then resulted in a letter from the school district attorney stating that 'The school district did not wish to engage in a letter writing campaign.'.
So, Mr. Vinson how do you propose that you engage your school board who is elected by the community to represent the community if they are told not to speak with the patrons of the school district? I believe that I followed the proper channels but got nowhere and I know of others that have met the same resistance.
So, does this seem like a healthy and friendly environment for teachers and staff to work in and where parents feel that their voices are heard?
Bullwinkle

Columbia, MO

#128 Nov 16, 2010
The school board president is a female and has been president since early last spring you dip stick. Again...more lies to harm others.

Mr Critchlow, I will call you and we can start our own campaign against these crazy parents..LOL Perhaps we can find them something to do at your school...hahahaaa
What Are Proper Channels

Chicago, IL

#129 Nov 16, 2010
Bullwinkle wrote:
The school board president is a female and has been president since early last spring you dip stick. Again...more lies to harm others.
Mr Critchlow, I will call you and we can start our own campaign against these crazy parents..LOL Perhaps we can find them something to do at your school...hahahaaa
So Bullwinkle you instantly resort to name calling without knowing all of the facts.

It is ashame that you have no first hand knowledge about the situations at the school district. The board meeting I was referring to took place two years ago. That school board president is no longer on the school board. 

When Ms. Brown calls the district attorneys into the mix to get around the issue, they can drag things out for a really long time. Then you have to contend with not only the rewriting of history by the attorneys but also attorneys making false statements about the law thinking the parents don't know the law.

You have your right to express your opinion albeit not an informed one since you were not involved in the events that occurred. I am just providing facts from personal experience.
Please

Sunrise Beach, MO

#130 Nov 16, 2010
Mr.Vinson I believe that if you read my post way back I also asked you if you thought affairs in the work place were ok? I certainly have showed you nothing but respect so would you please answer the question.

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