Get Your Facts Straight

Arnold, MO

#41 Jan 14, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
Yes, I have met and talked to her.
The truck lot required rezoning and the citizens didn't want it. I attended the meeting(s). She still pushed for it. The billboard required a variance for being too close to houses. Yes, there was another billboard already up in violation by her "enemies", but a lot of citizens including my girlfriend spoke out against it. Doris still pushed for it. My girlfriend said that even though they talked to her and explicitly told her hey didn't want it she just said she would research it when really she was pushing for it. When the citizens don't want something you don't push for it to prove a point, you listen to the citizens and let it go. That was a personal vendetta for her.
When I spoke to her she was very crass and rude. You are blaming others for painting the picture of her in the Leader. Well, believe me, those pictures are right. I saw that after talking to her and hearing others (not city employees or council, just citizens) talking about her and their personal experiences with her.
I know that you are most likely Doris. In the one post you went out of your way stating you weren't her when nobody brought that up. It's a sign of a guilty conscience. You need to get over yourself and calm down if you ever want to be elected. Citizens don't like corruption. It they don't like in your face politics either.
Everybody must be Doris! The billboard that is currently up that is even closer to the residents was not up at the time the other billboard was being discussed. There was no hearing, no citizen outrage and it most certainly was wool being pulled over citizen eyes. If they were against one, why not a peep about the one that came after?
People like the truth, they are sick and tired of being lied to, she tells the truth. No guilty conscience, you just keep assuming you know who is writing, because we all know what happens when you assume.
Letusnamenames

United States

#42 Jan 14, 2013
You must be delusional or ignore those that are against you. My girlfriend was at the meeting and spoke out against the one Drury was going to put up and there was a lot of outrage over it.

Just shows that she doesn't listen to what she doesn't want to hear.
Letusnamenames

United States

#43 Jan 14, 2013
And the one that came after in the Commons didn't affect my girlfriend so why would she speak against the one that didn't affect her? If you are Doris you should be ashamed. I guess when one of the billboards helps out your friend then you'll help him out, just like you accuse the good ole boys of doing so you really are no better than them.
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#44 Jan 14, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
And by the way, the citizens were not wrong. They were given the chance to say whether they wanted it or not in both cases and in both they said no. For someone that got themself elected on the "I'll listen and do as the citizens want" sure didn't in those cases where there was overwhelming citizen response. You can't make that statement and then say the citizens are wrong when they don't want what you want to do. It doesn't work like that.
They were not given the chance, they were lobbied by Sue Kroupa and lied to about what it was going to be. City staff suggested that business's course of action. That business owner went to great expense on their advice. It wasn't going to be a truck stop as they were told. There was nothing wrong with that business and the city allowed that business owner and employer to leave town and build his new business outside of the city taking his tax money, the money spent on gas and services in town, his employees who ate lunch here and those he will hire, instead of letting him expand. But not a peep was heard when the chemical company decided to come in that could potentially explode and destroy the whole neighborhood. I don't know which is more annoying,you tell me, dust or explosive materials?
Not a peep was heard when $200,000 was proposed to be spent on sewers for AB, or when they were given over $14 million in tax abatements, or allowed to purchase the $89 million in bonds and pay themselves, not a word about the million dollar difference at the CVS development site, or that we paid them to dump from CVS site what they needed to get rid of on our Ridgecrest site.
As for the billboard, the billboard that was erected AFTER the other was protested, never had a public hearing, no one was warned of its pending construction. The reason given by community development was they were replacing the one there previously. There was no billboard at that site previously. There may have been one in a different location, but not on that site. I'll ask Mark W. next time I see him....since his billboard site that he was leasing was taken away from him!
Letusnamenames

United States

#45 Jan 14, 2013
I think the point that you are missing is that citizens spoke against the billboard over by I55 Store It and yet you were still trying to push it through. This means you didn't support the citizens like you promised. It has nothing to do with the other billboard. This has to do with one that a whole subdivision spoke out against and yet you supported it still going against the citizens.

It was a truck lot that was going in. It would still have pollutants and a lot of noise because a lot of truckers let them idle. The point is the citizens didnt want it and you were pushing it through. I was one of those citizens and I did my research outside of Kroupa. It was a truck lot no matter how you try to slice it. I didn't want it yet you were pushing it. When are you going to do as you promise and do as the citizens want?
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#46 Jan 14, 2013
Only one person spoke out against the billboard according to this article http://www.dolanmedia.com/view.cfm...
and according to the meeting minutes of 9/08/09 that was Mr. Frank Pointer.
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#47 Jan 14, 2013
Also, please noted per the meeting minutes I was not one who spoke in favor of the billboards and I was not on the city council at that time.
Letusnamenames

United States

#48 Jan 14, 2013
But you sure as heck lobbied for them.
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#49 Jan 14, 2013
How could I lobby for them? Who would I lobby? In case you don't recall, I was not very well received by that particular city council or any of those dating back to 2005! In one instance I was actually referred to as a royal bch in council chambers! In fact, any time I spoke I was met with chiding and dagger eyes from those sitting on the council. I have almost all of the videos of those meetings to back my statements. My recordings have a much higher video quality than what is currently being produced by the city, so that you may see the daggers and hear the snide remarks that go along with them.:)
Letusnamenames

United States

#50 Jan 14, 2013
Quit playing the victim and assume some accountability. I would expect a potential mayor to act better and have more accountability than pointing fingers.

You were behind the I55 Store It billboard and Jerel Poor billboard 100%. You Tried to help Poor get it pushed through. Even accused Brazeal of taking his ex wife. You mean to say you don't remember any of your actions back then?
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#51 Jan 14, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
Quit playing the victim and assume some accountability. I would expect a potential mayor to act better and have more accountability than pointing fingers.
You were behind the I55 Store It billboard and Jerel Poor billboard 100%. You Tried to help Poor get it pushed through. Even accused Brazeal of taking his ex wife. You mean to say you don't remember any of your actions back then?
Here I'll tell you what! I have been the most accountable person there is up there and I have held those accountable who have not been in the past. I was NOT behind the I55 billboard, you are mistaken. Show me some proof! Also Mr. Brazeal did take Mr. Poor's wife and half of his money with her! In fact, she was the one who originally was arranging a billboard deal for the site next to Best Auto! Suffice it to say, had she retained possession of that piece of property in the divorce there would be a billboard on it today! You, whomever you are, should identify yourself, you are not telling the truth and have no documentation to back up your claims. I on the other hand am willing to put my name on things and provide documentation. Hitler's best weapon was propaganda and that is what you are spreading.
remember when

United States

#52 Jan 14, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
Quit playing the victim and assume some accountability. I would expect a potential mayor to act better and have more accountability than pointing fingers.
You were behind the I55 Store It billboard and Jerel Poor billboard 100%. You Tried to help Poor get it pushed through. Even accused Brazeal of taking his ex wife. You mean to say you don't remember any of your actions back then?
Hmmm yes, moron doesn't call you crazy candy for nothing !
I remember vividly. Brazeal did take the poor Ho. Brazeal was parading her all over town . Shacking up in _______ apts. Actually brazeal ran againist poor for council when he wasn't even living at the address he provided.
Fact : poor's did divorce. She was certainly no prize !
Fact: brazeal,poor Ho, crisler, moritz, Edwards, sweeny, amato were having some major beer guzzling meetings in every bar in town after the council meetings plotting and planning every move.
Not a chance poor Ho or any of that group was going to let him have a billboard. Had nothing to do with citizens.
The Billboard sure went up across the street by the crack motel didn't it. Yep, the good ol boys said that's ok . Nobody cared about those citizens did they. BOOM ! It was up overnight before any discussion.

You blaming doris for any of that fiasco is looney tunes.
She had no one to rally or lobby to. She damn sure wasn't on the council.
Businesses are not treated the same by any stretch of the imagination in this town.
Your presenting yourself like a know it all whine azz. If I were Doris I wouldn't even respond to you.
Letusnamenames

United States

#53 Jan 14, 2013
remember when wrote:
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Hmmm yes, moron doesn't call you crazy candy for nothing !
Huh? Let me me know when you can talk intelligently? Is this code for something?

Doris, you were lobbying for those billboards because Poor stood to make a good sum on them.

Doris may not have been on the council at the time but according to my girlfriend she sure made her stance known.
Letusnamenames

United States

#54 Jan 14, 2013
Seems like Doris and her cronies are bullies, just like thy accuse everyone else of doing. Truth is, you are just like everyone else.

My vote is going to Ken Moss. He at least respects the citizens and their wishes. He also doesn't go out of his way to defame everyone that doesn't agree with him and bully them.
remember when

United States

#55 Jan 14, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
Seems like Doris and her cronies are bullies, just like thy accuse everyone else of doing. Truth is, you are just like everyone else.
My vote is going to Ken Moss. He at least respects the citizens and their wishes. He also doesn't go out of his way to defame everyone that doesn't agree with him and bully them.
I'm no one's cronie. If you think I'm gonna sit here and let you lie. You can think again.
Who's the bully ????? You have been on here attacking doris for days. Not only are you making up lies , your eh cough cough going on your girlfriends say so ? Yeah right .! I call BS !!!!_
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#56 Jan 14, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
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Huh? Let me me know when you can talk intelligently? Is this code for something?
Doris, you were lobbying for those billboards because Poor stood to make a good sum on them.
Doris may not have been on the council at the time but according to my girlfriend she sure made her stance known.
I did no such thing and your girlfriend(if you have one) did not speak out against any billboards at the public hearings. There was only one person who did, I provided the supporting documentation. If you cannot state your name when accusing me, then you have no credibility! I don't know who you are and don't really care who you are, but you are not telling the truth. If you were doing anything but lying, you would put your name on what your are writing.
And I'll throw something else out there. I supported Ron Counts and was very instrumental in his election. That was a mistake. He did not do one thing that he promised to do when he was elected.
I have always said you know who I am, how I stand and where to find me. I don't expect anyone to agree with me 100% of the time, but don't come on here and lie about me because I have documentation in print and video for just about everything dating back to December of 2004 when Paul
Vinson decided to run for Mayor. So you just go right ahead and try me.
Letusnamenames

United States

#57 Jan 14, 2013
I've called my girlfriend an asked her to post do you can get her account.

And Doris the bully with her big bad threats. You act like you single handedly got Counts elected. I've notice you like to act bigger than you are and like you have tons of influence. I started off by trying to give you advice and tell you how people perceive you and you attack for it as seems to be your usual custom.

And Counts did follow through on a promise. He got Sweeney out until the others got reelected and forced him back in. So there is one lie right there.
Matt Hay

New York, NY

#58 Jan 14, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
I've called my girlfriend an asked her to post do you can get her account.
And Doris the bully with her big bad threats. You act like you single handedly got Counts elected. I've notice you like to act bigger than you are and like you have tons of influence. I started off by trying to give you advice and tell you how people perceive you and you attack for it as seems to be your usual custom.
And Counts did follow through on a promise. He got Sweeney out until the others got reelected and forced him back in. So there is one lie right there.
No he didn't. He did not get a vote. He had nothing to do with the rightful removal of Bob Sweeney. That said, Ron was instrumental in bringing Sweeney back. Ron met with Randy Crisler and Steve Davis to plot Sweeney's return, Randy Crisler was quoted as saying as much in "The Leader.". By statute, the Mayor is the only one who can make the nomination for that appointed role, the Council just confirms those appointments. A bit like the President and his Cabinet, which Congress just confirms or rejects, they do not get to pick. If you think Counts had anything to do with trying to save the taxpayers over $100,000+/year, by removing a man who consistently basically wrote his own pay checks, and in my opinion severely over-billed the city for sub-par work, you have either been misled, are severely confused, or just trolling.

If you did not notice, Counts and Sweeney are as thick as thieves at the moment.......

As for the billboard, there was no one from the public aside from Frank Pointer who spoke on the matter as Doris states. The minutes agree with my recollection. Your "girlfriend" may state whatever she likes, however, I was there, first hand, and I know it did not happen, unless she, or you, are confusing two different hearings.

Linda Poor fought so hard for the property in the divorce settlement because she had already made a deal for a billboard there, except hers was to be an electronic LED billboard. This was with the blessing and consent of the same folks who opposed it when Jerel was awarded the title to that portion of property in the proceedings and decided to strike a lease with Drury. Suddenly, those same folks went from supporting a huge flashing LED Billboard to opposing a normal billboard, with no homes near it. Just like they then supported THF placing a Billboard in the dead of night on a piece of property much closer to numerous homes, immediately across from 55. Makes perfect sense, huh?

So tell me, are you just confused, were lied to, or are trolling?
Stevie Tyler

United States

#59 Jan 14, 2013
Doris Borgelt wrote:
How could I lobby for them? Who would I lobby? In case you don't recall, I was not very well received by that particular city council or any of those dating back to 2005! In one instance I was actually referred to as a royal bch in council chambers! In fact, any time I spoke I was met with chiding and dagger eyes from those sitting on the council. I have almost all of the videos of those meetings to back my statements. My recordings have a much higher video quality than what is currently being produced by the city, so that you may see the daggers and hear the snide remarks that go along with them.:)
Those were not dagger eyes, they were "hungry eyes." Some guys like a little stubble on the upper lip
Doris Borgelt

Arnold, MO

#61 Jan 14, 2013
Letusnamenames wrote:
I've called my girlfriend an asked her to post do you can get her account.
And Doris the bully with her big bad threats. You act like you single handedly got Counts elected. I've notice you like to act bigger than you are and like you have tons of influence. I started off by trying to give you advice and tell you how people perceive you and you attack for it as seems to be your usual custom.
And Counts did follow through on a promise. He got Sweeney out until the others got reelected and forced him back in. So there is one lie right there.
What part of Counts re-appointed Sweeney don't you understand?
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