Dan Smith for State Representative
Curious

United States

#205 Nov 3, 2012
Sounds like others know more about Dan Smith, pretty sure he doesn't want all that to come out.

I had heard the rumors over the years about Bayshore, the others he stalked, his place of employment, and even the thing about his grand kids. But I never knew the full truth about all of that.

Would like the truth to come out regardless of if he gets elected. Keep the momentum going!!
The Truth

Fenton, MO

#206 Nov 3, 2012
Sounds like Curious is another one of Roorda's goons bent on smearing Dan Smith. Seems like the commenter before him was right, Roorda is basically a school yard bully and full of hot air. I don't think I'll vote for Roorda either. Pretty sad to see all this.
Group Therapy

Arnold, MO

#207 Nov 3, 2012
There has been nothing on here except the accusation of some teenage fantasy made up many years ago. No proof to back any of the accusations up. Just because a local guy says you can tell him your troubles anonymously and he gives his name, is still no proof. Wasn't there a midnight confession line to call that would amount to the same nothing? All are innocent until proven guilty. Until there is rock solid, admissible in a court of law proof, this is all just political smear campaign tactics. Both candidates are guilty, but I have lost the most respect for Mr. Roorda. He has not learned a lesson from his incident on the House floor or with the Arnold Police Department He did cast the first stone.
Curious

United States

#208 Nov 3, 2012
So, anyone who questions what the truth is automatically is working with/for Roorda?

Teenage fantasy? I think Dan's side has already confirmed that there were in fact made from his home - the question is whether or not they were made by Dan himself.

Seems those allegations along with Dan's arrest in 95 and subsequent petitioning the court to have it removed from his record is enough to have any normal person raise their eyebrows and wonder what the full truth really is.

Do I think Roorda is this great candidate? Not really, but if this really turns out to be true about Dan then I would vote for Roorda, no question. There is a difference between political corruption and stalking young girls and women. All politicians are corrupt on some level but stalking women is something else completely.

I for one would like the real truth. If it does end up being all true, all you people who are defending him should take comfort in knowing that the friends of people who do this type of thing never know until its too late - we see it on the news all the time "he was such a good neighbor, always so helpful". However, if it turns out to be false then all the people who are telling these lies should get help.

At this point I am thinking there is a lot more out there than either side knows.
Group Therapy

Arnold, MO

#209 Nov 3, 2012
You mean if something was on your record and it wasn't a true representation of the facts, you wouldn't try to have it taken off? That proves nothing but that the man was trying to set the record straight. There was no charges, no evidence, no trial. I would certainly want the arrest record expunged, who in their right mind wouldn't?
Oh, so corruption is OK in your book? How do you think this nation has gotten into the mess we are in right now? Take a bribe, help your campaign contributor's company with a multi-million dollar project.
Just how do you expect to get to the real truth? There was never a case. If there had been, he would have been arrested, tried and convicted. All this is she said with all anonymous witnesses that somehow heard supporting evidence. I don't buy it and neither did the cops. Laws haven't changed that much.
My Problem

Arnold, MO

#210 Nov 3, 2012
Group Therapy you are not addressing the issue. The idea is that the record exists. It has been talked about by people in town for years. The Dan Smith rule at the school district does in fact exist. Denial of same does no good because it is true.
If Dan Smith has nothing to hide and this is all a misunderstanding then where is my flyer in the mail that explains this misunderstanding? Where is his coming on this forum and explaining this misunderstanding? Where is his website that counters the Dirty Dan website? This is one you, as a candidate, do not ignore and hope it goes away before Tuesday.
Group Therapy

Arnold, MO

#211 Nov 3, 2012
People talk about people all the time, it doesn't make it true. Why would he even address it? Why would he bother to come on this forum at all? Why do you feel he needs a website? He didn't start this, it was started by someone who wanted to smear him, plain and simple. He is obviously being the bigger man and ignoring you fools and your gossip.
Curious

United States

#212 Nov 3, 2012
He waited 13 years before he tried to get it off his record? The courts found that there was enough evidence to NOT remove it? Pretty sure it was more than he just happened to be eating lunch there and was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Apparently the police DID believe it because an arrest WAS made. That actually speaks volumes. I know one of your arguments is that people get arrested accidentally all the time, yes, on all of the crime shows and movies - how many times have you gotten arrested for doing absolutely nothing? Oh, me neither. AND if I had been arrested for something I didn't do I definitely wouldn't have waited 13 years to try to get it off my record - I would have been fighting every day until it was off. This actually speaks volumes.

I am beginning to lean a lot more towards believing that it is true. I looked at the stalking laws and there was really nothing that could be done to the stalker in the 80's (yes, group therapy, laws have changed tremendously since the 80's) even with phone records traced to his house the most that could be done was tell him to stop, which I believe is what the one person said was done.

Enough of the blowing smoke - let's get to the REAL truth!

Oh, I am not saying that it is okay to be corrupt - just saying I don't really think you can find a politician (either party) that is not at least partially corrupt. To me it plays out like this - typical politician versus possible (probable) stalker = no brainer, I would go with the typical politician.
The Truth

Fenton, MO

#213 Nov 3, 2012
My Problem: "The idea is that the record exists". Really? The mere allegation is sufficient evidence in your mind that condemns a person? What happened to the judicial system? If the judicial system says the cops were wrong for what they did (thus granting an expungement), then what does that mean? Oh wait, corruption right?

Now take this out of the framework of Arnold, Mo and put it into say, O'Fallon Park in North St Louis. And you're a teenaged black male driving a early eighties oldsmobile with bright shiny rims. You were just pulled over because of a rape that occured down the road. The suspect drove the same kind of car (after all early eighties oldsmobiles with shiny rims are rare, right?) So you're arrested and booked. It goes to court and well, you were in school with your class at the time the rape occured and your teacher testified to that fact. Further more, your teacher is impressed with you because you're doing well on your way to a scholarship to Harvard.

Obviously, he's guilty. He has a early eighties oldsmobile with shiny rims.
remember when

United States

#214 Nov 3, 2012
Teenage fantasy ??? Are you freaking serious ??
I have decided these Dan supporters hate Roorda so bad that they would vote for a child molester!
Why don't you start a roorda is a piece of shite thread ?
This one here says Dan Smith .

Dan supporters : "check cell records "....hmmm didn't have cell phones. "I hate roorda" "No Proof" ", "Go away"
"He's a Christian", "THERE WOULD BE PRINTS" , "Roorda is corrupt", "you must be roorda" "boogie man" , "teenage fantasy" "your a roorda goon". "He helps people" roorda....roorda....roorda...r oorda.

Victims : names Donna, Jennifer. Where they lived, when , police report, records of phone calls traced to his house. Admits calls from house. Eye witness him fleeing yard. Social services checks home after daughters incest report. Car vandalism. Calling after married and out of state. Same claims different residence. Woman at work. Arrest report. They contact school board. and the list goes on....
There is more to this than meets the eye. Whole lotta smoke here to be no fire.

Don't keep screaming roorda goon at me. I don't give a Damn about roorda, but I will NOT vote for a molester under any circumstances. So far its victims 8 .....Dan supporters 0
My Problem

Arnold, MO

#215 Nov 3, 2012
Group Therapy wrote:
People talk about people all the time, it doesn't make it true. Why would he even address it? Why would he bother to come on this forum at all? Why do you feel he needs a website? He didn't start this, it was started by someone who wanted to smear him, plain and simple. He is obviously being the bigger man and ignoring you fools and your gossip.
I am an undecided fool. I heard about this and came in here and read this forum topic. It is clear to me that the only ones trying the hardest are those trying to deflect rather than explain. It makes me wonder. Why don't or won't you help me out and get the truth posted or get Smith to respond somehow? The next newspaper comes out after the election so that does no good before the election. So even if he wins how about the candidate stepping forward forward and explain?
remember when

United States

#216 Nov 3, 2012
The Truth wrote:
My Problem: "The idea is that the record exists". Really? The mere allegation is sufficient evidence in your mind that condemns a person? What happened to the judicial system? If the judicial system says the cops were wrong for what they did (thus granting an expungement), then what does that mean? Oh wait, corruption right?
Now take this out of the framework of Arnold, Mo and put it into say, O'Fallon Park in North St Louis. And you're a teenaged black male driving a early eighties oldsmobile with bright shiny rims. You were just pulled over because of a rape that occured down the road. The suspect drove the same kind of car (after all early eighties oldsmobiles with shiny rims are rare, right?) So you're arrested and booked. It goes to court and well, you were in school with your class at the time the rape occured and your teacher testified to that fact. Further more, your teacher is impressed with you because you're doing well on your way to a scholarship to Harvard.
Obviously, he's guilty. He has a early eighties oldsmobile with shiny rims.
I'm thinking it's more like......if it looks like a duck....quacks like a duck. This one seems to be growing feathers ! We are not talking one isolated incident here.
It appears to be several over many years.
I say time to take a look.
I don't need anything from anybody. They are the ones looking for my vote. I like to know who and what I'm voting for. And this is as bad as two turds in a punch bowl !
One of his victims

Charleston, SC

#217 Nov 3, 2012
Group Therapy - you are a sick bastard. Sick teenage fantasy. That's right, when I was 17 I didn't think about anything except the guy across the street who had 2 daughters a little younger than me, so i made up this whole sick thing about Dan calling me, watching me through my window - doing God knows what, and following me to my work. Only to get married and move away and have him start again. THAT is sick! Your right - blame the victim.

The truth - let's not play pretend, this DID happen in Arnold (both city limits and unincorporated) so the fantasy game of let's pretend this is a black and white thing doesn't fly.

Remember when - my name is Debbie, not Donna (unless i missed a post and there is another victim that posted)

My Problem - pretty sure that Dan and his family are posting on here posing as 'friends' who stand behind him.

I have been avoiding posting here because no matter what I say they will come up with bad excuses (that don't even make sense) but Group Therapy aka SICK BASTARD is a complete idiot. I pray that you don't have a daughter that anything remotely like this should happen to them - you will probably blame them instead of the person who did it to them.
The Truth

Fenton, MO

#218 Nov 3, 2012
Remember when:

I think the reason the reports of Dan Smith being a molester are uncreditable are for the following reasons:

1) All this comes out a few days before his election bid for a House Representative Seat. Seems convenient for his competitor. And begs the question, he's been elected twice as a School Board member for the local public school district. If he was a freak, why wasn't this raised back then? Even for the re-election bid?... Especially for a SCHOOL BOARD!

2) The only evidence raised to date are two court filings that were expunged arguing for and against expungement. No evidence of any convictions, any punishments, any findings of guilt were presented. No evidence in the form a Judge's findings were presented. And yet Dan just celebrated his 40th anniversary with his wife!

3) All the attacks from the attack website, the fake facebook page, the fake youtube channel, the anonymous website that is sheltered by a proxy service to hide the identities of those responsible for making the carefully crafted website are all consistent with each other (as is the discussion within this forum). I took a look at the documents and images within the website and the other attack sources. The writers of these sources hid even the "meta data" in most of them. They slipped up on the PDF documents though, Hayley, you use Microsoft Word 2007... I'll hide your UUID, but it might be interesting to law enforcement... Oh I hope you didn't register your copy with Microsoft... Just say'n...

4) None of the victims have come forward to any news agencies to tell their side of the story. We're simply left with people using anonymous covers making out-laddish claims, some of which probably boarder on slander and libel, and none of them show any real evidence to the claim.

Sad, really, really sad. And definitely dirty politics.
concerned parent

Imperial, MO

#219 Nov 3, 2012
I just have one question why is it I have 6 voters in my house and the only one that received any Dan Smith mail is my 19 year old daughter and everyone I have spoke to its the same thing daughters or women under 40 years old? all other mailings come to the Family. Just answer that all Dan supporters
One of his victims

Charleston, SC

#220 Nov 3, 2012
I did contact several people on the school board at the time Dan ran for school board, I was told that while they had several other phone calls there was not much that I could do.

I did the exact same thing on this website when I found out he was running for state rep. It kinda blew up after that.

All I did in both cases was tell what happened to me. You all can do what you want with that information.

What does his anniversary have to do with any of this? Pretty sure Sanduski's wife was married to him for a long time, but that didn't stop him from doing what he did.

Don't know anything about the websites that you talk about, or anything else. And yes, I have contacted the new agencies ...they are currently looking into it - FYI.

Not dirty politics, just sick politicians.
Stolen Innonce

Hillside, IL

#221 Nov 3, 2012
Think what you want. I am speaking out to all of my Facebook friends. Telling of what a sick person Dan smith is. Thankfully I've noticed my friends in the district passing the word. One vote at a time that's all I can do to keep a peeping Dan out of office.

Oh and we came out when he was running for school board. See they listened the created the rule to make board members be escorted when they are there. Dan aka the truth, we will keep showing up to expose you.
Tina

Pleasant Ridge, MI

#222 Nov 3, 2012
I find all of this to be deplorable. I am Dan Smith's daughter, and I want everyone to know that all of these allegations are unequivocally false. I grew up in an ideal home with wonderful, supportive parents, who taught me to work hard and to be honest, and to make a difference in my community. I came back home to teach in my community for the past 12 years.

My sister's death was a tragedy, and an extremely difficult time in my & my parent's life. I know for a fact that it had nothing to do with my dad, and rather was the result of a decision by my sister about her boyfriend at the time as well as her clinical depression. Honestly, it is not more than the angst that a lot of teenagers go through, but coupled with her depression it ended tragically. I sincerely wish she could still be a part of mine and my children's lives; however, that was not meant to be.

Dredging up this pain by opening up a 20 year old wound to pour salt in it is just wrong. I ask that the people sincerely consider the issues and vote their true convictions. All of these allegations are lies, and in my humble opinion are what is wrong with politics today.

This is my first, last, and only post, as this all deeply saddens and sickens my heart.
Group Therapy

Arnold, MO

#223 Nov 3, 2012
You are so full of crap. Anyone can come into that building and get a visitor's pass as long as they have a purpose and a picture ID, board member or not. There is no such rule specifically for board members.
I hope all of your hundreds of facebook fans realize that you need some psychiatric help. They probably remember you in junior high and high school as one of those kids who always needed a lot of attention. Get some help.
The Truth

Fenton, MO

#224 Nov 3, 2012
Stolen Innocence:

I am not Dan Smith. Just someone who dislikes dirty politics.

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