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cathy wooldridge

Imperial, MO

#66 Sep 3, 2013
Sam Ferry wrote:
People have complained at the right places and things are changing.
We can all sit and complain but unless you do it the right way it does nothing but let off steam.
Cathy, these are both black and white statements that you made. Both indicate that there is a RIGHT way to complain and by simple logic then there must be a wrong way. There is no other conclusion to come to.
I think there is a right way and a wrong way to get the problems solved. That doesn't mean you don't have the right to complain on here. I just think some on here would just like to see the kitchen lady fail at no cost. Get over her. She was hired, now unless you can fire her, let her do her job and stop nit picking. Time will tell. A menu posting is much less then a total fail.

I think instead of some complaining and waiting to see improvements, they just get onto another session and it never stops. You know the old saying, some are never happy.

If you think the school is bad, you should move down the street to city hall and see how business is going down there. Lol
Sam Ferry

Saint Louis, MO

#67 Sep 3, 2013
please wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm guessing 3/4 of the people on here have never been to a school board meeting. Therefore, you can complain all you want on here and its ok but it gets no place but letting off stream as I said before.
I am not guessing anything. I have complained both here and at the board meetings. The school district did not send their lawyers after me for speaking up at a meeting. Both are valid and effective places to complain!
Sam Ferry

Saint Louis, MO

#68 Sep 3, 2013
"What I am saying, is this.. I'm sure if your mother in law said I have a job for you! You'll have two years to get your certification, it comes with great benefits, pay is great and you'll be off all summer. You'd say,no thanks. Right? I doubt it. As I would also doubt anyone else out there would."..........I would emphatically say no! The fact that you doubt it or would not do the same yourself is irrelevant. You asked me a question and that is my honest answer.

Hiring policy. There was no policy saying they couldn't hire relatives that I know of. Therefore,
while it may have not seemed ethically right and I would agree, They did not and have not broke a "law" so to speak..........And here is where we part ways. First off you have not read their ethical oath on hiring. What they did was ethically wrong, not maybe, not “seemed” wrong IT WAS WRONG. I teach and have taught all my kids that there is no greater or higher law than doing what is right! This is a NATIONAL DISTRICT OF CHARACTER for goodness sakes. The entire country looks to this district for one reason alone, and it is not a legal one. It is to see how character stands out here differently than other districts. We are failing as an example. The hire was wrong and everyone that had any part of it should quit,BUT at the very least they should do what all good people of character do, admit their wrongdoing, apologize, and then correct it. They will not do that of course because of the potential legal problems that would come down on them.

Their private life is not private when they are engaging in relationships while at work. Braking up families is never right and especially when you are working amongst these kids and your own kids who are directly evolved. To top it all off, the leader of the pack performs this way as well. Now let me get this straight. I do not know her personally nor do I have a relative working for the district. But, from an outsider looking in and from hearing that Fox is known for "sleeping your way to the top" it is bothersome to me. Yes, I believe and always will if you are having an affair inside the district both should be let go. I'm not a hypocrite and have never said you couldn't complain in my last post. While I think some make mountains out of mole hills and need to put the complaints in the right place, I never said shut up and stop your complaining. Did I?.........yeah essentially you did by indicating that our complaints are not in the place where you want them in,“the right place.” These complaints, in this place, are completely right! You did not hear about any affairs or “relationships” from anyone that saw it at the workplace. What you heard is rumor, some unfounded, some possibly true, but rumor nonetheless. That is a much more invalid complaint than the fact that the only reason she now RUNS things is because of her last name.

Sam ferry why don't you run for the board? I myself have given it serious thoughts. You could jump on the gravy train and nepotism wagon and I'll jump on my own save the fox district plane………………They have changed the nepotism policy for the board so this is just silly on top of silly. Does your saving the district include you telling them what a bonehead move it was to hire her?

I have one question for you Sam. Do you have kids attending still?.........No
Sam Ferry

Saint Louis, MO

#69 Sep 3, 2013
cathy wooldridge wrote:
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I think there is a right way and a wrong way to get the problems solved. That doesn't mean you don't have the right to complain on here. I just think some on here would just like to see the kitchen lady fail at no cost. Get over her. She was hired, now unless you can fire her, let her do her job and stop nit picking. Time will tell. A menu posting is much less then a total fail.
I think instead of some complaining and waiting to see improvements, they just get onto another session and it never stops. You know the old saying, some are never happy.
If you think the school is bad, you should move down the street to city hall and see how business is going down there. Lol
There has been no recognition by this district that what they did was wrong. Nobody stood up, not the board or the administration, and said you know we did something we should not have done and we are sorry. Is that the character you tell your kids to have? The very first thing we tell them to do is "apoligize to your sister" or whoever. If they really want to show their NATIONAL DISTRICT OF CHARACTER they should address this, and I would not pull the plug on them just yet.

This issue is no small thing, but you should know that. The fact that Kelly is caught up in the middle of it can at times be unfair. But if you do not think she has a part in the error of this hire, well I disagree, she has some part.
VoiceOfATeacher

Saint Louis, MO

#70 Sep 3, 2013
Cathy Wooldridge wrote:
What I am saying, is this. I'm sure if your mother in law said I have a job for you! You'll have two years to get your certification, it comes with great benefits, pay is great and you'll be off all summer. You'd say,no thanks. Right? I doubt it. As I would also doubt anyone else out there would.

Do you personally know Sam, what the government tells these schools what and how much they are to feed these kids? Do you know what budget amount she is given to work with? Do you see how much food is wasted each day because the First Lady says they have to take so much, even if they don't want it?
Ms. Wooldridge, I agree that human nature and the economy being what they are Kelly was right to jump at the opportunity her mother-in-law provided for her. My disagreement with the rest of your logic stems from three things that have deeply concerned my colleagues and me as well as many members of the community. First, that a member of the BOE should be so ignorant of the demands of a director's level position that she insists her embarrassingly unqualified daughter could handle them. If Ms. Linda Nash knows so little about a program that spans all the Fox schools and touches the vast majority of our students, how can we assume that she is any more educated about the other important programs she helps oversee? How can we trust her judgment - or the judgment of the other BOE members who to all appearances went along in order to get along?

Second, long before the hiring of Ms. Nash the hubris of our superintendent grated on many of us. We work at Fox because we enjoy teaching. We receive enormous self-satisfaction from the idea that we can make a difference in their lives. But we are also ambitious professionals and breadwinners for our own families. It is galling to work so hard knowing that if a higher level, more lucrative position opens up that the playing field is so uneven as to be unrecognizable. The fact that the head of the Human Resources department has allowed his department to become one so susceptible to outside influences is to put it mildly, extremely disheartening.

And finally, this dysfunctional, unhealthy, symbiotic behavior has simply gone on for too long. There is no process in place to ensure accountability. The Latin phrase," Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodies?” or “Who Watches the Watchers” seems appropriate. The relationship between top administrators and the Board has become so intertwined that it is difficult to for either group to hold the other accountable. But that’s exactly what needs to happen either through the replacement of the Board’s members, or the firing of Ms. Critchlow and her staff.
Cathy Wooldridge

Imperial, MO

#71 Sep 3, 2013
I'm not so sure the teachers union has done so well at hand picking people for the board. I'd myself would like to see more board members with a voice of their own. I have been to several board meeting and while it is very hard to hear, I have never heard anyone disagree. Someone that the union thought was going to be a voice seems to simply have joined in with all the rest.

There are plenty of Proven cases of affairs in he district. It's not rumors when these folks marry.

Why aren't you jumping up and down at every relative that is hired as well. I personally feel after all of this stir over the kitchen lady NO relatives should be hired. No board members should have a relative employed. No teachers should help get their daughter or son hired. I mean , how do you say this hired relative is ok but this one isn't?
my2cents

United States

#72 Sep 4, 2013
Here is my problem.....She was not EDUCATED. She was not CERTIFIED. She did not have the QUALIFICATIONS.
She did not work in the LUNCHROOM.
She did not PLAN MEALS meeting all requirements to feed children.

Flipping burgers, stuffing bags, wearing a head set and ringing a damn register with pictures does not make a food service manager educated enough to properly feed thousands of our children.
Chicken nuggetts my arse. Get some real food on those plates. Does she even have children??? How would she know how to feed one?
Seriously

Arnold, MO

#74 Sep 22, 2013
Cathy Wooldridge wrote:
Mr.Sam, I can assure you I have a back bone and more balls then most men. I'm pretty sure I never Said you or anyone else wasn't allowed to bitch. We see it everyday on this forum. You must have read my post wrong.
What I am saying, is this.. I'm sure if your mother in law said I have a job for you! You'll have two years to get your certification, it comes with great benefits, pay is great and you'll be off all summer. You'd say,no thanks. Right? I doubt it. As I would also doubt anyone else out there would. The freaking menu has not changed much in the almost eleven years I've had kids moving through the district. So to blame the food choices on her is bull crap. Here's what I mean when I say most don't know the job but can sit and complain about what goes wrong. Do you personally know Sam, what the government tells these schools what and how much they are to feed these kids? Do you know what budget amount she is given to work with? Do you see how much food is wasted each day because the First Lady says they have to take so much, even if they don't want it? Unless you do certain jobs you (I) have no idea what goes on. It's easy to sit and complain about a person whom you think was hired based on who she knew. Which your right. It's another thing when the person that was there before her did the same things. I've seen nothing change as far as my three schools go yet this year, except for the menu being late. I'd have to guess most don't give a rats behind if there little darling Johnny gets six grapes or twelve.
Call it what you want but the new system that is suppose to show me my kids grades is not fully up and running yet. The most important thing I want to look at is grades. Guess what, that is the part that isn't on the Tyler system yet. Why? Because they haven't trained all the teachers yet? What??? Shouldn't this have been done before the school year? In my opinion yes. But do I blame one person because it wasn't? If so, I go to the very top. That is what she gets paid all the money for. She puts people in place below her to take responsibilities. If they fail she takes the heat.
Map scores? Every school teaches to the test. It sucks but its government that tells them they have to. Be mad at government or be happy your school ranked so high.
Hiring policy. There was no policy saying they couldn't hire relatives that I know of. Therefore, while it may have not seemed ethically right and I would agree, They did not and have not broke a "law" so to speak.
Their private life is not private when they are engaging in relationships while at work. Braking up families is never right and especially when you are working amongst these kids and your own kids who are directly evolved. To top it all off, the leader of the pack performs this way as well. Now let me get this straight. I do not know her personally nor do I have a relative working for the district. But, from an outsider looking in and from hearing that Fox is known for "sleeping your way to the top" it is bothersome to me. Yes, I believe and always will if you are having an affair inside the district both should be let go. I'm not a hypocrite and have never said you couldn't complain in my last post. While I think some make mountains out of mole hills and need to put the complaints in the right place, I never said shut up and stop your complaining. Did I?
Sam ferry why don't you run for the board? I myself have given it serious thoughts. You could jump on the gravy train and nepotism wagon and I'll jump on my own save the fox district plane.
I have one question for you Sam. Do you have kids attending still?
----No, No, No!!-Accepting a position that you are not qualified for is just irresponsible. If you do, you are only clearly thinking of yourself. If you're not prepared to do the job you're failing yourself and everyone else involved. And clearly that's the case here.
Proud Parent

Columbia, MO

#75 Sep 23, 2013
Hmmm...thought this was about the accomplishment of the students relating to the MAP Scores.
Yuholio

Arnold, MO

#76 Sep 23, 2013
Proud Parent wrote:
So what your saying is it reflects a real world situation, such as........
STUDYING TO DO YOUR JOB.
In real world situations, whatever you write gets lost in the vortex of using "your" when what you should be using is "you're".

When you write a sentence, ask yourself if you mean "you.are.".

If you mean to say "you are", then it's written as "you're".

It is not "your saying" . It is "you're saying".
Warrior76

Saint Louis, MO

#77 Sep 23, 2013
Proud Parent wrote:
Hmmm...thought this was about the accomplishment of the students relating to the MAP Scores.
I totally agree with you. It should be. The fact that this thread gravitated so quickly to the subject of the BOE and the superintendent's malfeasance demonstrates how pervasive the issue of their character (or lack thereof)has become. It has now reached the point where it overshadows almost everything else at Fox including excellent work by students. Poor, or worse, self-serving decision making by those in charge is a distraction that diminishes every aspect of our kids'educational experience. Until we have new leadership at the top that can remain out of the glare of t.v. cameras not nearly enough light will be focused on our students. It will be expensive to dismiss the superintendent but in a hundred different ways it will cost Fox more if it is not done soon.
Proud Parent

Columbia, MO

#78 Sep 25, 2013
Yuholio wrote:
<quoted text>
In real world situations, whatever you write gets lost in the vortex of using "your" when what you should be using is "you're".
When you write a sentence, ask yourself if you mean "you.are.".
If you mean to say "you are", then it's written as "you're".
It is not "your saying" . It is "you're saying".
You are a bit over the top aren't you. Ever hear the term "typo" yuidioto?
Grand Mal

High Ridge, MO

#79 Sep 25, 2013
I opt the posters on here get together and form their own charter and mission statement.

They could adopt the name CAVE (Citizens against virtually everything)
Please

Imperial, MO

#80 Sep 25, 2013
my2cents wrote:
Here is my problem.....She was not EDUCATED. She was not CERTIFIED. She did not have the QUALIFICATIONS.
She did not work in the LUNCHROOM.
She did not PLAN MEALS meeting all requirements to feed children.
Flipping burgers, stuffing bags, wearing a head set and ringing a damn register with pictures does not make a food service manager educated enough to properly feed thousands of our children.
Chicken nuggetts my arse. Get some real food on those plates. Does she even have children??? How would she know how to feed one?
Chicken nuggets were on the lunch menu long before her. You can put whatever you want on those trays, it's never going to be a home cooked meal. If you don't like the food that is server, pack a lunch. Your not entitled to eat school food and get what you like all the time.
Grand Mal

High Ridge, MO

#81 Sep 26, 2013
Today's Menu:

Beef Wellington
Grilled squash with a honey glaze and macadamia nuts
Crab Stuffed Portabella mushrooms
Fresh steamed green beans

For dessert: Caramelized mango with vanilla bean ice cream
Red 5

Saint Louis, MO

#82 Sep 26, 2013
Grand Mal wrote:
Today's Menu:
Beef Wellington
Grilled squash with a honey glaze and macadamia nuts
Crab Stuffed Portabella mushrooms
Fresh steamed green beans
For dessert: Caramelized mango with vanilla bean ice cream
Wait! Are you saying Kelly was fired?

What am I saying? Of course she wasn't fired. She must have been promoted. Let's see... what else is she "qualified" to do? I know! She must be our new head of H.R.!
True Story

High Ridge, MO

#83 Oct 6, 2013
Dear Primary color in between Yellow and Blue, with the square root of 25: I hereby formally invite you to orally consume excrement and perish.
Red 5

Saint Louis, MO

#84 Oct 7, 2013
True Story wrote:
Dear Primary color in between Yellow and Blue, with the square root of 25: I hereby formally invite you to orally consume excrement and perish.
Troop, as someone who has always valued your, uh, input into this discussion I feel I should warn you. I have no doubt Dianne is spending every waking moment trying to figure out who you are and how such a sick, twisted bastard got past Todd's crack H.R. department. Given the ferocity she showed attacking people she considered to be threatening her authority, imagine the legal hell Dianne will unloose when she finds a Fox employee who enjoys threatening women and children.(Spawn, Troop? Really?)

If she's going department by department you've just made her job a LOT easier. Long ago you demonstrated she could automatically eliminate anyone with an IQ higher than a box of hammers. Now it's pretty safe to say all kindergarten, math, and science teachers are in the clear too.

Go home and look at the back of your t.v. See the three jacks labeled red, green, and blue? Those are the three primary colors from which all other colors are made.(Yellow is made from green and red). That's pretty much kindergarten level finger painting and high school physics. Second, math teachers would know the number with the square root of 25 is 625.

Be careful! I need you in this fight. Now be a good psychopath and tell everyone who you and yours support.
Red 5

Saint Louis, MO

#85 Oct 7, 2013
Good thing I don't teach creative writing. I may have just written the most badly worded paragraph in the history of the English language. This is it:

"If she's going department by department you've just made her job a LOT easier. Long ago you demonstrated she could automatically eliminate anyone with an IQ higher than a box of hammers. Now it's pretty safe to say all kindergarten, math, and science teachers are in the clear too."

I apologize. Troop brings out the worst in me. Plus I tend to cut and paste a lot and sometimes jokes that belong in another part of the post (or eliminated altogether) are left in. My pitiful paragraph should have read simply:

"Troop, if she's going department by department you've just made her job a LOT easier. It's safe to say that all kindergarten, math, and science teachers are in the clear."

The joke about not being smarter than a box of hammers originally had something to do with Todd's incredibly poor short term memory but got moved.

Mea culpa.

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