Fox C-6 and Board treat teachers like crap!

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Jun 25, 2013
 
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You know what? People shouldn't have to call anyone! Not Nick Gianino, not the central office, not the board, everything that is happening in this district should be readily available for all to see, right on the front page of the website. Everything. If someone even thinks the public might want to know about something, it should be there for them to look at.
It's right there in the minutes of the board meeting.
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Well the BOE caved to the teachers tonight! Guess we know who runs things now! I just want to know which board member voted no, so we can plan their exit.
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It was David Palmer who voted no on the teacher salary schedule and the budget as a whole. Cheryl Hermann was absent.
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I am glad the board honored their original salary schedule that they had presented to the teachers last spring.
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Diane Critchlow called immature by local radio show host! Hit the nail on the head! Her face contortions during Mr. Simpson's three minutes were unacceptable. Mr. Simpson may not be the best public speaker, but he deserves to be listened to with respect.
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Diane Critchlow called immature by local radio show host! Hit the nail on the head! Her face contortions during Mr. Simpson's three minutes were unacceptable. Mr. Simpson may not be the best public speaker, but he deserves to be listened to with respect.
What does this have to do with anything in this thread?
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What does this have to do with anything in this thread?
It demonstrates the administrations bad attitude toward anyone who dares speak out against their practices or points out their shortcomings.
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"Teachers treated like crap"? I'd like to think not. Teacher may not make as much as some but the don't work as much as some either. What they should be complaining about rather then pay is their health insurance. I'll give the fact that their insurance premiums are way to expensive. It's a much as some of our house payments to cover a family.

When I was a kid my teacher taught a class of 28. She was our music teacher, art teacher, librarian, she took us to recess everyday, and she even sat at our lunch table with us to eat her lunch all while keeping us under control. She had no breaks during the day. She graded her papers at home or during the day while we were working on an assignment. I see far to many teachers so worried about getting a break in.

Teachers back in my day dressed professional and acted that way as well. I see far more teachers in this day and age that "fit" in with the kids when it comes to dress codes. I must say more women then men teachers dressing down.

Teachers may not get the pay they want but they are sure not hard up. Most are living in above average homes and driving above average cars. I rarely see a teacher living in a home under 200,000.00. Don't get me wrong there are a few that don't but not many.

Teachers have perks. Teachers that live out of the district but bring their kids to school in our district without giving a dime to our schools in taxes. Perk! Teachers hand pick their child's teacher while my child gets the teacher that is not "good enough" to teach the teachers kid. Even the ones that don't live in the district and pay no taxes. Perk! Teachers get to take their whole class out to watch sports day so they can see their own kids sports day. I myself along with many other parents have to take a vacation day and some without pay. Nope not the teachers. Perk!

So, to say teachers are treated badly I'd like to think not. Do I think teachers should be able to speak their opinions without fearing for their jobs yes. Do I think the superintendent should pay attention to her school and the programs that go with the before her children and step children get to them? Yes! Of all people she can afford to pay what others may have struggled to pay all along not complaining. But not until her step child got there was it a problem? Hmmmmm

Do I think the sups. Are over paid? Yes, especially when they can't even stand and talk to the media with confidence and have to run to avoid something. Perception is reality people.
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"Teachers treated like crap"? I'd like to think not. Teacher may not make as much as some but the don't work as much as some either. What they should be complaining about rather then pay is their health insurance. I'll give the fact that their insurance premiums are way to expensive. It's a much as some of our house payments to cover a family.

When I was a kid my teacher taught a class of 28. She was our music teacher, art teacher, librarian, she took us to recess everyday, and she even sat at our lunch table with us to eat her lunch all while keeping us under control. She had no breaks during the day. She graded her papers at home or during the day while we were working on an assignment. I see far to many teachers so worried about getting a break in.

Teachers back in my day dressed professional and acted that way as well. I see far more teachers in this day and age that "fit" in with the kids when it comes to dress codes. I must say more women then men teachers dressing down.

Teachers may not get the pay they want but they are sure not hard up. Most are living in above average homes and driving above average cars. I rarely see a teacher living in a home under 200,000.00. Don't get me wrong there are a few that don't but not many.

Teachers have perks. Teachers that live out of the district but bring their kids to school in our district without giving a dime to our schools in taxes. Perk! Teachers hand pick their child's teacher while my child gets the teacher that is not "good enough" to teach the teachers kid. Even the ones that don't live in the district and pay no taxes. Perk! Teachers get to take their whole class out to watch sports day so they can see their own kids sports day. I myself along with many other parents have to take a vacation day and some without pay. Nope not the teachers. Perk!

So, to say teachers are treated badly I'd like to think not. Do I think teachers should be able to speak their opinions without fearing for their jobs yes. Do I think the superintendent should pay attention to her school and the programs that go with the before her children and step children get to them? Yes! Of all people she can afford to pay what others may have struggled to pay all along not complaining. But not until her step child got there was it a problem? Hmmmmm

Do I think the sups. Are over paid? Yes, especially when they can't even stand and talk to the media with confidence and have to run to avoid something. Perception is reality people.
You are entitled to this opinion. Thank you for providing me an opportunity to share with you my reality. I am a teacher, a very good teacher, a well loved teacher, a teacher who spends too much of her own money on her classroom, a teacher who is offended by your narrow view.

1. I live in Jefferson County in a small modest home, come on over you can help my husband and I put on a new roof. That is how I am spending my long summer off. Roofing. What a "perk"! We also need our septic tank replaced. Can you help us dig and pour a new one?
2. I have been teaching long enough to save up to buy a car that has AWD so I can get to work safely. It is average.
3. I pay taxes but do not have any children. No "perks" for me.
3. Who do you think plans your child's field day?? I do (or a great teacher like me at your kid's school.) Not only do I plan it, but use my own money to build the games,("not a perk") and I work in the sun for two days setting up hula hoops, chalking lines, gathering kids, recording times, and having fun... Oops is that a "perk"?
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Really? You're bemoaning the fact that you have to spend your summer vacation putting on a roof? What about all the people who work TWELVE MONTHS OF THE YEAR who need a roof, who need a septic tank replaced?

Lots and lots of folks outside the teaching profession work more hours per week than you do, for less pay. That is a fact. Lots of folks take work home without extra compensation.

You work in the sun for two days? Let's pause for a moment to consider the roofing crews, the road crews, the maintenance crews who work outside EVERY DAY, hot weather, cold weather, rain, snow, whatever.

And frankly, with very few exceptions, what I have seen from our educational system has been highly disappointing, which is why we have opted out.

What a bunch of friggin' whiners. I swear. This world would be much better off if people would quit thinking about everything they DON'T have and start thinking about everything they DO have.

That's not to say anyone should take a pay cut. You shouldn't, and if the board failed to negotiate that is wrong. But I am sick of everyone feeding into this "teachers don't make enough" BS. From what I have seen, most of them don't DESERVE to make any more than they are making.
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Jul 2, 2013
 
real teacher, you must make a heck of a lot more than me I cannot afford a new roof or septic tank. And I need the roof pretty bad. I work twelve months out of the year and bring my work home with me on many occasions. At this point, if you can afford all that then you can afford to buy the stuff for your classroom so quit asking me to supply Kleenex and Clorox wipes. Buy them yourself!
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I'm not sure when society started turning against teachers but it sure is evident, especially in JeffCo. Is it because your kid isn't doing as well as you had hoped and you need someone to blame? Just say the teacher is lazy, right? Obviously it can't be that the fruit of your genius loins isn't a genius. Must be the lazy overpaid teachers.
I have been a teacher for 23 years and the tides started changing about 12 years ago. Parents started attacking the teachers instead of their own kids for bad grades. I can't wait til you drive every last teacher out of this profession with your piss poor attitude and you have to quit your job to stay home and home school your little Einstein. Maybe then you will stop disparaging the people who spend more time with your kids than you do. But probably not...I'm sure you'll find another reason to blame the teachers for your own parenting mistakes and poor life choices.
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Angry wrote:
real teacher, you must make a heck of a lot more than me I cannot afford a new roof or septic tank. And I need the roof pretty bad. I work twelve months out of the year and bring my work home with me on many occasions. At this point, if you can afford all that then you can afford to buy the stuff for your classroom so quit asking me to supply Kleenex and Clorox wipes. Buy them yourself!
It's your own snot nosed children that use the Kleenex! Not the teachers.
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You are entitled to this opinion. Thank you for providing me an opportunity to share with you my reality. I am a teacher, a very good teacher, a well loved teacher, a teacher who spends too much of her own money on her classroom, a teacher who is offended by your narrow view.
1. I live in Jefferson County in a small modest home, come on over you can help my husband and I put on a new roof. That is how I am spending my long summer off. Roofing. What a "perk"! We also need our septic tank replaced. Can you help us dig and pour a new one?
2. I have been teaching long enough to save up to buy a car that has AWD so I can get to work safely. It is average.
3. I pay taxes but do not have any children. No "perks" for me.
3. Who do you think plans your child's field day?? I do (or a great teacher like me at your kid's school.) Not only do I plan it, but use my own money to build the games,("not a perk") and I work in the sun for two days setting up hula hoops, chalking lines, gathering kids, recording times, and having fun... Oops is that a "perk"?
Your right I am entitled to my opinion. I myself donate numerous items to all of my kids teachers. Examples, Kleenex, dry erase makers, hand sani., paper towels and anything else that may come home on a list. Certainly not a perk for me. I myself drive a 2003 car with FWD. You may pay taxes and not have any children but you get paid for your taxes correct? I really don't care that you plan my child's field day. That's what you get paid to do. Poor you, you have to spend a few more days in the sun while you work those sports days. Boohoo..... I'm sure most of us would love to get paid to keep time scores in the sun for a few days. Rough job but you get to do it and what do you know, you still complain. You work how many months of the year? How many hours a day? You know what I find funny is that the teachers that do have kids in the school district don't even volunteer to help at school functions. I'm not saying all do not but a lot do not. Schools are only as good as the teachers and the parents make them. So, if teachers that work for the district have children going to the district, they shouldn't hang their hats when they walk out the door for the day.

If you think your so mistreated and payed so unfairly, get a different job. Think of he teachers that teach I private schools. Compare your salary to theirs.
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It's your own snot nosed children that use the Kleenex! Not the teachers.
Trust me parents I sent atleast four boxes to each of my kids classrooms this year. I'm pretty sure my snot nosed kids don't use that many. That stupid hand sani.? How about good old hand washing. I never died as a kid without all this crap. The wish list get longer every year.
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I like it even more when I get a wish list that says my child will get extra credit if they bring in items from the wish list. Really?? Extra credit to me is for the student when THEY do extra work. Not for me to buy them extra credit. I refuse to send stuff when I see a teacher use it for "extra credit".
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Wow wrote:
I'm not sure when society started turning against teachers but it sure is evident, especially in JeffCo. Is it because your kid isn't doing as well as you had hoped and you need someone to blame? Just say the teacher is lazy, right? Obviously it can't be that the fruit of your genius loins isn't a genius. Must be the lazy overpaid teachers.
I have been a teacher for 23 years and the tides started changing about 12 years ago. Parents started attacking the teachers instead of their own kids for bad grades. I can't wait til you drive every last teacher out of this profession with your piss poor attitude and you have to quit your job to stay home and home school your little Einstein. Maybe then you will stop disparaging the people who spend more time with your kids than you do. But probably not...I'm sure you'll find another reason to blame the teachers for your own parenting mistakes and poor life choices.
You're a poor example of a Teacher with that attitude and should retire or find another profession.

And for your information, one child graduated with honors and the other is a straight A student. That's only because I had to sit with them every night and explain and teach things to them that YOU failed to do. While their friends struggled because their parents did not have the knowledge to help them, I took the time and made myself understand what you were SUPPOSED to be teaching and re explained it so they could understand. I've used that college degree more with them than in my own job! That is why mine are A students. It's not the parent's fault in this case you tenured poor excuse for a teacher that could care less and by default blame the parents. Maybe you should give your salary to me for doing your job for you and give me extra for all of the late nights helping them understand what you didn't teach.
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I like it even more when I get a wish list that says my child will get extra credit if they bring in items from the wish list. Really?? Extra credit to me is for the student when THEY do extra work. Not for me to buy them extra credit. I refuse to send stuff when I see a teacher use it for "extra credit".
That should be against a policy somewhere. It needs to be brought to the attention of the school board.
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Angry wrote:
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You're a poor example of a Teacher with that attitude and should retire or find another profession.
And for your information, one child graduated with honors and the other is a straight A student. That's only because I had to sit with them every night and explain and teach things to them that YOU failed to do. While their friends struggled because their parents did not have the knowledge to help them, I took the time and made myself understand what you were SUPPOSED to be teaching and re explained it so they could understand. I've used that college degree more with them than in my own job! That is why mine are A students. It's not the parent's fault in this case you tenured poor excuse for a teacher that could care less and by default blame the parents. Maybe you should give your salary to me for doing your job for you and give me extra for all of the late nights helping them understand what you didn't teach.
Geez, you're right. I should just take all of the public abuse heaped on by you and your fellow parents of the year and smile and nod. That's what a good teacher would do. I invite you to trade places with me for one week and see how you manage 150 children with behavior issues, disabilities, and difficult parents.
It's not possible that ALL of your children's teachers were bad. Do you have ANYTHING nice to say? Or only nice things to say about yourself? Thankless job is an understatement. If you are so dissatisfied with our teachers why don't you take your amazing children out of Fox schools and home school them with all of your college smarts? Oh, yeah, you need us to watch them while you work? Unbelievable.

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Wow wrote:
<quoted text>Geez, you're right. I should just take all of the public abuse heaped on by you and your fellow parents of the year and smile and nod. That's what a good teacher would do. I invite you to trade places with me for one week and see how you manage 150 children with behavior issues, disabilities, and difficult parents.
It's not possible that ALL of your children's teachers were bad. Do you have ANYTHING nice to say? Or only nice things to say about yourself? Thankless job is an understatement. If you are so dissatisfied with our teachers why don't you take your amazing children out of Fox schools and home school them with all of your college smarts? Oh, yeah, you need us to watch them while you work? Unbelievable.
The only unbelievable one here is you. I'm a single parent (and watch what you say about that since you don't know WHY I am a single parent). I work to pay the bills and to pay YOUR salary and to take your abuse. If I quit to home school then you take a pay cut because then I can't pay the bills, OR MY TAXES that pay YOUR salary.

There are some good teachers in the system. I have found one older one that was great, but the younger ones are better because typically they don't have tenure. Many of the older ones, like you, don't care and blame it all on the parents. Track history has proven that to me with both kids. The one that was the best was the one that stayed late to help my youngest out when she was struggling and believe it or not, I struggled with how they were being taught. I didn't get the new method. She got her all straightened out after several nights of staying after. And she even taught me, too, so I could help. I saved up and gave that teacher a gift card to a decent restaurant to show my appreciation.

Go retire and let the younger non-tenured underpaid teachers that actually care take over.

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