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Aug 22, 2013
 

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Ok, so this guy gets awarded $620,000 and the details of the case are coming out. There will be a closed meeting and we will see, Isom isn't there anymore, if the other two will step down, as they should!
This isn't any different than what occurred in Arnold, just different people involved.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-...

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Truth Comes Out wrote:
Ok, so this guy gets awarded $620,000 and the details of the case are coming out. There will be a closed meeting and we will see, Isom isn't there anymore, if the other two will step down, as they should!
This isn't any different than what occurred in Arnold, just different people involved.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-...
It is VERY different than what happened in Arnold.

1. Arnold was sexual harassment, this was racial discrimination.
2. Arnold was settled out of court with a secrecy clause in the agreement. This went to FEDERAL COURT and was TRIED.
3. In this one there was a conspiracy to commit a crime. In Arnold there was no conspiracy amongst the officers to sexually harass and I'm sure Shockey didn't order it like their person in charge did.
4. Ott was not denied promotion. This person was.

The list goes on and on. The details and circumstances are totally different.
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Aug 22, 2013
 
Letusnamenames wrote:
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It is VERY different than what happened in Arnold.
1. Arnold was sexual harassment, this was racial discrimination.
2. Arnold was settled out of court with a secrecy clause in the agreement. This went to FEDERAL COURT and was TRIED.
3. In this one there was a conspiracy to commit a crime. In Arnold there was no conspiracy amongst the officers to sexually harass and I'm sure Shockey didn't order it like their person in charge did.
4. Ott was not denied promotion. This person was.
The list goes on and on. The details and circumstances are totally different.
You haven't got a clue as to what you are talking about. The details from the case you are referring to can be released, the city is the only party standing in the way of public disclosure. Let the public know what went on behind closed doors, they paid for it.
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Discrimination is, discrimination is, discrimination:
Discrimination by Type
Learn about the various types of discrimination prohibited by the laws enforced by EEOC. We also provide links to the relevant laws, regulations and policy guidance, and also fact sheets, Q&As, best practices, and other information.

Age
Disability
Equal Pay/Compensation
Genetic Information
National Origin
Pregnancy
Race/Color
Religion
Retaliation
Sex
Sexual Harassment

SEXUAL HARASSMENT IS A RECOGNIZED FORM OF DISCRIMINATION. NO DIFFERENCE!!!!!!

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Aug 22, 2013
 
You need to get your facts straight.

After the last person posted about fines with information being releases I checked into it.

The city CANNOT release the information or they will be subject to a $10,000 fine for each incident payable to Ms. Ott. So it is not a matter of choice like you would like people to believe. You are WRONG on that account.

And there are so many differences that it isn't even close. Just because it is discrimination doesn't make them the same. It is in the details that makes them totally different.

I'm not even going to apologize for making the public see that you are trying to twist the truth to make it look like Arnold is like that case when it is not even close.

Now commence with the personal attacks, name calling and false accusations like you always do when I expose your lies. And make sure to post under multiple aliases like you all usually do to make it look like others agree with you like you usually do.

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Oh, and don't forget to cyber stalk and follow me from thread to thread to attack like you usually do, too. I wouldn't want you to forget anything in your MO.
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Letusnamenames wrote:
<quoted text> I'm sure Shockey didn't order it like their person in charge did.
LUNN, I'm shocked at this last post! Posting things claiming inside knowledge without producing sources? Isn't that sin that's going to send the rest of us to hell?

So if I may paraphrase my least favorite poster:

How do you KNOW Shockey didn't order it? Are you Shockey? PROVE you're not him. Where were you on the night it wasn't ordered? PROVE you/he didn't order it with links to the original documents in which he didn't order it.
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Letusnamenames wrote:
You need to get your facts straight.
After the last person posted about fines with information being releases I checked into it.
The city CANNOT release the information or they will be subject to a $10,000 fine for each incident payable to Ms. Ott. So it is not a matter of choice like you would like people to believe. You are WRONG on that account.
And there are so many differences that it isn't even close. Just because it is discrimination doesn't make them the same. It is in the details that makes them totally different.
I'm not even going to apologize for making the public see that you are trying to twist the truth to make it look like Arnold is like that case when it is not even close.
Now commence with the personal attacks, name calling and false accusations like you always do when I expose your lies. And make sure to post under multiple aliases like you all usually do to make it look like others agree with you like you usually do.
Who said that the city will be subject to a $10,000 fine? Quote a source. Where is the proof of that? Prove it!, Prove it! There is NO SUCH stipulation or they and you would be able to prove it by publishing it. Mrs. Ott has very clearly stated that she would have NO OBJECTION to the information being released. It is the CITY who is hiding the facts and hiding behind some fallacious claim they will be fined. IT IS A MATTER OF CHOICE AND THE CITY CHOOSES TO HIDE IT FROM THE PUBLIC.
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Mrs. Ott has nothing to hide. The City, on the other hand, has everything to hide. They hid it from their own city council members. Anyone who says they didn't are lying. Letusnamenames has no sources to cite or documentation to back up her claims. She won't even use her real name because she has no proof for her insane claims. I have posted the demand for damages for which Mrs. Ott received $450,000 settlement. That much money doesn't get paid out for frivolous claims. Many rational people know where there is smoke there is fire and something is definitely smoldering in our city government.
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You're right. The list goes on and on. Of similarities. Or worse. Arnold was sexual discrimination. Not harassment. And every bit as bad, if not worse. Yeah, Arnold demanded secrecy to cover their wrong doings. At this point, I imagine Mrs. Ott was so tired of the situation she just wanted to wash her hands of it. And Arnold is the entity that didn't want it in court. They paid out fines for not providing documents the court demanded. And worse, Mrs. Ott was demoted. Not passed over for promotion. That was worse. And the fact that Arnold paid out, rather than risk court, speaks to how good her case and guilty Chief Shockey and Detective Conarow were. If they were innocent, they would've given up the documents proving it and they would've wanted to go before a jury. The settlement was a cowards way out and bad news for the citizens that had to buck up for these bad public officers. But maybe it was a break, as in court, they would've cost us more. too bad our council or mayor has the courage to do the right thing and fire these criminals.

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Aug 22, 2013
 
Tell the Truth wrote:
<quoted text>Who said that the city will be subject to a $10,000 fine? Quote a source. Where is the proof of that? Prove it!, Prove it! There is NO SUCH stipulation or they and you would be able to prove it by publishing it. Mrs. Ott has very clearly stated that she would have NO OBJECTION to the information being released. It is the CITY who is hiding the facts and hiding behind some fallacious claim they will be fined. IT IS A MATTER OF CHOICE AND THE CITY CHOOSES TO HIDE IT FROM THE PUBLIC.
Ask Ott for the agreement. It's in there.

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Aug 22, 2013
 
Doris Borgelt wrote:
Mrs. Ott has nothing to hide. The City, on the other hand, has everything to hide. They hid it from their own city council members. Anyone who says they didn't are lying. Letusnamenames has no sources to cite or documentation to back up her claims. She won't even use her real name because she has no proof for her insane claims. I have posted the demand for damages for which Mrs. Ott received $450,000 settlement. That much money doesn't get paid out for frivolous claims. Many rational people know where there is smoke there is fire and something is definitely smoldering in our city government.
You've never posted proof as I requested. Post the agreement from the settlement that you obviously claim to have. I got my information from the source. I doubt you are talking to the source as you claim.

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Aug 22, 2013
 
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You're right. The list goes on and on. Of similarities. Or worse. Arnold was sexual discrimination. Not harassment. And every bit as bad, if not worse. Yeah, Arnold demanded secrecy to cover their wrong doings. At this point, I imagine Mrs. Ott was so tired of the situation she just wanted to wash her hands of it. And Arnold is the entity that didn't want it in court. They paid out fines for not providing documents the court demanded. And worse, Mrs. Ott was demoted. Not passed over for promotion. That was worse. And the fact that Arnold paid out, rather than risk court, speaks to how good her case and guilty Chief Shockey and Detective Conarow were. If they were innocent, they would've given up the documents proving it and they would've wanted to go before a jury. The settlement was a cowards way out and bad news for the citizens that had to buck up for these bad public officers. But maybe it was a break, as in court, they would've cost us more. too bad our council or mayor has the courage to do the right thing and fire these criminals.
Keep spewing Doris. You're only helping Shockey's lawsuit.

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Aug 22, 2013
 
Doris Borgelt wrote:
Mrs. Ott has nothing to hide. The City, on the other hand, has everything to hide. They hid it from their own city council members. Anyone who says they didn't are lying. Letusnamenames has no sources to cite or documentation to back up her claims. She won't even use her real name because she has no proof for her insane claims. I have posted the demand for damages for which Mrs. Ott received $450,000 settlement. That much money doesn't get paid out for frivolous claims. Many rational people know where there is smoke there is fire and something is definitely smoldering in our city government.
Maybe the reason I don't use my real name is because I don't want you attacking me or my family. I have heard the stories about you and when someone insinuates you need to review some ordinances, well, I don't want that around my house or my family. You have a habit of getting personal just like you did with Mike Evans when you made the accusation that he had domestic problems and even gave out the street name he lived on telling people to get the dirt on him. You pitch a b$tch when someone even mentions your family yet you seem to feel it is okay for you to go after others, like Mike Evans'.

You are a lunatic in my book and should seek help if you can't keep it political and keep their families out of it like you expect everyone to do for you.

Oh, and didn't you all go after Moritz and publicize his foreclosure notice? Who did put that on scribd? One of your buddies? Answer the questions instead of throwing threats. Be honest for once.
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Letusnamenames wrote:
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Ask Ott for the agreement. It's in there.
YOU POST IT YOU SAID there is a fine. If there is a fine YOU post the proof of it. Burden of proof is on YOU.
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Aug 22, 2013
 
Letusnamenames wrote:
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Maybe the reason I don't use my real name is because I don't want you attacking me or my family. I have heard the stories about you and when someone insinuates you need to review some ordinances, well, I don't want that around my house or my family. You have a habit of getting personal just like you did with Mike Evans when you made the accusation that he had domestic problems and even gave out the street name he lived on telling people to get the dirt on him. You pitch a b$tch when someone even mentions your family yet you seem to feel it is okay for you to go after others, like Mike Evans'.
You are a lunatic in my book and should seek help if you can't keep it political and keep their families out of it like you expect everyone to do for you.
Oh, and didn't you all go after Moritz and publicize his foreclosure notice? Who did put that on scribd? One of your buddies? Answer the questions instead of throwing threats. Be honest for once.
I'm sure Mr. Evans appreciates you bringing up his name over and over again. I'm sure he is pretty embarrassed for things he has done and you calling it to everyones' attention again and again. Do you think having the police called to your home for domestic disturbances is a good thing? Do you think that reflects well on his career as a high school teacher? Just keep bringing it up, I'm sure he will thank you the next time he sees you. I'm also sure that Mr. Moritz likes that you have reminded the public yet again, about his home going all the way to forclosure before he could gather the funds to redeem it.
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LUNN? I'm still waiting to see your proof that you aren't Shockey. I have yet to receive a link to your document or transcript proving Shockey didn't order it. As far as I can tell you're just blowing smoke for him to hide behind. Either put up or shut up.
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Lunn is having an identity crisis. He wants to be Billy bad as# behind his key board but When confronted he wants to claim slander. Its tough being him when he has to leave the computer.

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FollowingTheElephant wrote:
LUNN? I'm still waiting to see your proof that you aren't Shockey. I have yet to receive a link to your document or transcript proving Shockey didn't order it. As far as I can tell you're just blowing smoke for him to hide behind. Either put up or shut up.
You're an idiot. I posted the proof and you refused to acknowledge it. So go blow smoke somewhere else.

All you guys have proved is that you have NO CLUE who I am.

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jim bob wrote:
Lunn is having an identity crisis. He wants to be Billy bad as# behind his key board but When confronted he wants to claim slander. Its tough being him when he has to leave the computer.
Too bad I'm not a "him". Try again.

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