Two Kentucky Fire Stations Close Abru...

Two Kentucky Fire Stations Close Abruptly

There are 679 comments on the FireHouse.com story from Dec 21, 2011, titled Two Kentucky Fire Stations Close Abruptly. In it, FireHouse.com reports that:

PINEVILLE, Ky. -- Years of threats by leaders of the Bell County Volunteer Fire Department to close stations citing a lack of funding materialized over the weekend and two fire stations were closed down.

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Not Really

South Fulton, TN

#664 Mar 26, 2012
Friend Of The Court wrote:
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Its already in court. Although you can figure this out without that. You don't understand that legal definitions don't always match ordinary usage of the same words. This isn't about "private property" and being nonprofit doesn't make you a government organization. What it appears the fire department is driving at is they aren't controlled by politicians - and that's true. This isn't the same arrangement as the ambulance service. About 30 years too late on that one. The fire department isn't a for-profit "private" corporation either. Nobody owns stock in it because there isn't any. No local judge with political connections can make new law to change any of this. Sorry.
What would Amburgey be prosecuted for - living in a fire station? You are kidding, right? We'd have to round up a lot of firemen if that were a crime!
The issue is that the VFD is receiving money from insurance companies that have been deducted for fire coverage (which they are not doing) and they took money from the fiscal court under the same pretense. It doesn't matter if you are for or not for profit, if you take money in return for a service and fail to fulfill your agreement, that is theft by deception. The VFD say they can cover Colmar and Arjay from other stations, which one? None are close enough to make a difference. That would be like closing Pineville's fire dept. and getting Middlesboro to cover the fires there. How would that work out? not very well. Same thing. I for one have already contacted my insurance company and the Senator and Rep. in Frankfort about having to pay for fire coverage through my policy and nothing in return. It's time the people affected by these moron's decisions to step up and take charge of this fiasco. If they want to play fireman then do it with their own money, not mine.
arison

United States

#665 Mar 27, 2012
Congratulations - you just indicted Albey Brock. The money you speak of is being collected by fiscal court - and kept. The fire department is on a subscription system as of the first of the year and doesn't get the insurance fee. Any money collected after that, ask Albey. He's the one taking money under false pretense. And he's got two or three magistrates who back him on everything so its much like having a dictator.

You're going to the wrong people. Fiscal court could have stopped this fee long ago by passing the appropriate ordinance. And they have plenty of cash on hand to open new fire stations if that was important. Non-action speaks louder than talk show interviews so I guess it isn't. We know the county has plenty of certified volunteers to serve those communities because Albey said so. So what's the hold up? Ask Albey.

Do you suppose the ambulance service has the same response time for Frakes, Fonde, or Stoney Fork as they do for Woodland Hills? Are they close enough to make a difference in those places? Who do you sue when they don't make it in time? Just remember - that fee you speak of is paying the freight on that little operation, too.
Not Really

South Fulton, TN

#666 Mar 27, 2012
arison wrote:
Congratulations - you just indicted Albey Brock. The money you speak of is being collected by fiscal court - and kept. The fire department is on a subscription system as of the first of the year and doesn't get the insurance fee. Any money collected after that, ask Albey. He's the one taking money under false pretense. And he's got two or three magistrates who back him on everything so its much like having a dictator.
You're going to the wrong people. Fiscal court could have stopped this fee long ago by passing the appropriate ordinance. And they have plenty of cash on hand to open new fire stations if that was important. Non-action speaks louder than talk show interviews so I guess it isn't. We know the county has plenty of certified volunteers to serve those communities because Albey said so. So what's the hold up? Ask Albey.
Do you suppose the ambulance service has the same response time for Frakes, Fonde, or Stoney Fork as they do for Woodland Hills? Are they close enough to make a difference in those places? Who do you sue when they don't make it in time? Just remember - that fee you speak of is paying the freight on that little operation, too.
Your comparison of the ambulance service and the VFD is a foolish. The response times are completely different. The VFD had to send out the alarm, wait for the personnel to show up at the fire station and then go to the fire. After getting there they have to connect the hoses and then start spraying water. The ambulance service has the personnel on site, so they just get in the ambulance, go to the scene, get the victim and transport. Quite a difference isn't it? The fee you are talking about is only voluntary and many people are out informing the senior citizens that they DO NOT have to pay this fee as some at the VFD have been telling them. The only way it is mandatory is if the fiscal court approves it. You think that will happen? The people running the VFD have destroyed any credibility the organization may have had and is now running on fumes. It will be up to the county to start over with fire protection.
arison

United States

#667 Mar 28, 2012
Not Really wrote:
<quoted text>Your comparison of the ambulance service and the VFD is a foolish. The response times are completely different. The VFD had to send out the alarm, wait for the personnel to show up at the fire station and then go to the fire. After getting there they have to connect the hoses and then start spraying water. The ambulance service has the personnel on site, so they just get in the ambulance, go to the scene, get the victim and transport. Quite a difference isn't it? The fee you are talking about is only voluntary and many people are out informing the senior citizens that they DO NOT have to pay this fee as some at the VFD have been telling them. The only way it is mandatory is if the fiscal court approves it. You think that will happen? The people running the VFD have destroyed any credibility the organization may have had and is now running on fumes. It will be up to the county to start over with fire protection.
You backed off on that "false pretense" pretty quick. That was a bill of goods from the start. And the shoe hurts when its on Albey's foot, right?

You still got it wrong. You claim the fire department can't provide service from a different station. Yet the county tries to run ambulances from one location. Doesn't matter what the job is - they can't provide the same response to out-lying areas as Woodland Hills. And you can die from a lot of things within five minutes. Never saw a house burn down that fast. So by your own definition, the ambulance service isn't providing adequate coverage to the entire county even though they're funded by the same insurance fee you brought up and Brock won't use for fire protection.

The fire department gave a detailed explanation in the newspaper about the subscription method. It was made clear it was voluntary and that service would be provided even if you didn't subscribe. Need to have the paper print it again for your benefit? Fiscal court took itself out of the picture months ago. Go ahead and list the names of these "members" you claim are telling it wrong. Might be some housecleaning needed alright. Sounds more like an Albey plant to me but trot out those names.

If Albey wants to start over, what's he waiting on? The money, volunteers, and equipment are right there. No lawsuit he started is holding him back. What he can't do is take over existing assets. He can't get around federal law on that one. But Mr. Fighting-With-You is more than welcome to start from scratch. Can you start tomorrow, Albey? Wall Street Journal on line one - what's your answer?
ring ring

United States

#668 Apr 1, 2012
Maybe an assistant will answer. LOL
rhumatiz

Seattle, WA

#669 Apr 8, 2012
Looks like Albey's response time has dropped off a little. Somebody needs to light a fire under him. It ain't no joke when you smell the smoke!
olson twins

United States

#670 Apr 9, 2012
What happened to those names? Same as the cabin, stolen money, getting rich? Nothing.
who cares

Dyer, TN

#672 May 3, 2012
Is it legal to provide fire protection free for half the county , and not for the rest?
False Alarm

United States

#673 May 3, 2012
Is it legal to use state tags on a private vehicle?
hookandladder

United States

#674 May 5, 2012
Any stations been opened?
Form990

United States

#675 May 6, 2012
No matter what Albey says, the fire department can't just GIVE any equipment to the county. Doesn't matter who donated the money years ago. That's the law. Al done backed himself into a corner. And its going to cost taxpayers a lot of money to get him out of it. Maybe we should just let him stay there.
IRS

United States

#677 May 6, 2012
U R AN IDIOT wrote:
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GIVE the county equipment??? It is the Counties equipment you stupid moron!!! Who paid for it?? Mike Cupp Rodney Wilder???
Bell County Citizens?? Who??
You can't be that stupid. Assets bought by a corporation belong to the corporation. If they borrow the money, the lender has a lien. If the money is donated, its free and clear. These imaginary "strings" Brock keeps talking about aren't in writing and don't mean a thing. Pretty hard to argue buying a fire truck isn't for providing fire protection. Ask Frakes who owns their equipment.
Look It Up

United States

#679 May 6, 2012
U R AN IDIOT TOO wrote:
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Who owns the corporation?? You think Wilder and Cupp?? I say like Brock the taxpayer does!! Anyone who can't see that is either an IDIOT a crook or both!!! Wait maybe you live in a station or have all your stuff stored in one!!
Then you're just as wrong as Brock. How long did you work underground without a respirator? You didn't believe that clean coal part, too?

OK, let's make this simple. The only way to own a corporation is to own the stock. Now, if you'll check state law you'll find that nonprofits - like Frakes and BCVFD - are not allowed to issue stock. So if you and Brock feel so strongly on this, contact the Secretary of State. Apparently, that office doesn't see it, either. Must be a lot of idiots and crooks there, too.
Really

South Fulton, TN

#680 May 9, 2012
Look It Up wrote:
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Then you're just as wrong as Brock. How long did you work underground without a respirator? You didn't believe that clean coal part, too?
OK, let's make this simple. The only way to own a corporation is to own the stock. Now, if you'll check state law you'll find that nonprofits - like Frakes and BCVFD - are not allowed to issue stock. So if you and Brock feel so strongly on this, contact the Secretary of State. Apparently, that office doesn't see it, either. Must be a lot of idiots and crooks there, too.
I heard the BCVFD made the Fiscal court an offer to reopen the stations. What was the deal? Go back to the way things use to be before all this $hit got started? Court said no? BCVFD is almost broke, paying all those legal fee's. What good is your "corporation" if they are broke and can't operate? where is their funds coming from now that they no longer get the insurance fee's that paid their way and who pays those insurance fee's? you are so simple minded you remind me of Randall Knuckles.
power to the people

United States

#681 May 9, 2012
Problem with your theory is the corporation has to pay its bills - including legal fees. If the people filing these lawsuits cause them to use their cash, they have no choice but to liquidate assets and use the money for those bills. Any local judge trying to get around that is going to get smacked down hard when it goes outside Bell County. We now know fiscal court has 300,000 just in that one fund, plus much more in ready cash. So why no new stations or equipment? If Brock wants to start a brand new fire department, why hasn't he started? He's just costing us more money by playing these little games. Any Brocks want to answer?
rocker

Knoxville, TN

#682 May 10, 2012
No Brocks feel like talking? LOL
fyi

Sikeston, MO

#683 May 10, 2012
power to the people wrote:
Problem with your theory is the corporation has to pay its bills - including legal fees. If the people filing these lawsuits cause them to use their cash, they have no choice but to liquidate assets and use the money for those bills. Any local judge trying to get around that is going to get smacked down hard when it goes outside Bell County. We now know fiscal court has 300,000 just in that one fund, plus much more in ready cash. So why no new stations or equipment? If Brock wants to start a brand new fire department, why hasn't he started? He's just costing us more money by playing these little games. Any Brocks want to answer?
Look brain surgeon, NOTHING could be done until the litigation was over. The BCVFD said just weeks ago they were going to reopen the stations and then as usual changed their minds and couldn't step up to the plate. Now they have asked a judge to stop the stations from being used as voting places AGAIN! How absolutely moronic do you have to be to keep this up when not one, but TWO judges said they HAD to let the public use the stations for voting. I have a dog that responds better than this bunch. They along with the 5 winners on the tourism commission belong in a place where they can't possible hurt any or themselves. They surely do NOT have the best interest of this county. And I for one am sick of the bullsh** in this county. I know several other people that are fed up and ready for a change.
HA HA

United States

#684 May 10, 2012
Nobody buys that. Nothing going on in court is stopping Brock from buying new fire equipment. He already has the money and magistrate approval. Must be more to it.

What I read in the paper said the fire department would let stations be used for voting - no charge. Brock turned it down but made it look like the magistrates were deciding. So Brock wanted to use the stations - then refused to use the stations. What kind of game is that?

Its been clear for some time Brock wants to bankrupt the fire department by filing endless lawsuits. He still hopes all those assets will fall into his lap and he'll be the big chief. When taxpayers finally see how much all this is going to cost them, might be more than several people ready for a change.
HA HA

United States

#686 May 10, 2012
Lmao at Ha Ha wrote:
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Is that the best the BCVFD can do these days? We all watched the meetings at the fire hall and either you didnt watch the meetings or your high on dope!
Maybe you should have watched the fiscal court meeting.

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