“walk right in”

Since: Aug 11

wallins

#42 Sep 6, 2012
Really wrote:
So we the taxpayers of the county are to give in to essentially to the blackmail of the BCVFD?
Either pay anything or everything they demand or they simply say screw you all. We have your tax dollars already piss on you.
You know some of the money was listed on the BCVFD 990's as grants. With most grants as they are written for governments the property purchased by that money belongs to the entity giving the grant, would that be the fiscal court? It would be an interesting legal question.
Tough if you don't like my "ramblings" I don't answer to the the BCVFD board, I along with a bunch of other taxpayer paid for their fire engines and equipment through my taxes so I damn well have a right to be angry when they cheerily accepted taxpayer money for their fire department, then said screw you we are closing up shop.
You know in any other situation when an entity agrees to provide services for a price, then accepts money and then closes up shop it looks very suspicious, if not criminal.
BCFD needs to return the taxpayers money to the fiscal court so it can be refunded. If they have any honesty about them at all it's the right thing to do. Same with the fiscal court.
Using Albey's words like "suspicious"? Albey cheerfully accepts taxpayer money, too - then doesn't use it for the purpose it was taken. Remember, Albey says you can keep a station open for $100 a month. Then why doesn't Frakes keep their station open for $100 a month? They take taxpayer money, too.

Is that deputy Rob giving grant money advice? Seems like all the volunteer departments around the state getting grant money see it different. But the courthouse is open most days so have Albey spend more taxpayer money on that idea. And that boy Rob needs to get him a job instead of riding around with Colby. Maybe he's a deputy clerk, too. Bruce could use another deputy. Out of all three, we might get a day's work out of him.
Really

Versailles, KY

#43 Sep 6, 2012
Again the fiscal court can't take money from the entire county to fund a department which closes all but two of it's stations. The fiscal court has made it clear they will pay any properly purchased BCVFD bills when they open ALL the fire stations up. If the BCVFD is not getting their bills paid it's their own fault and greed.

Again, if not for taxpayer money just exactly how could the BCVFD afford ANY of the equipment they have bought?

You explain it then: The BCVFD takes taxpayer money for operations and equipment. Now explain to me why the fiscal court would just give this to a bunch of yahoos with no strings attached?

They gave the taxpayer money to an alleged volunteer fire department to provide a semblance for fire protection for the citizens of the county--yes or no?

Now after said monies having been given the BCVFD decides they don't want to play by the rules of the fiscal court-you know keep proper records, buy things you need and not things unrelated to the departments operation, being frugal because the taxpayer is footing ALL the bills for the BCVFD and the BCVFD board gets in a snit takes their marbles and the taxpayers money and go home and don't live up to their end of the deal.

BCVFD--you have taxpayer money in your accounts---either provide fire protection for the whole county or GIVE IT BACK.
Volunteer

Middlesboro, KY

#44 Sep 6, 2012
Electric Cross wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll see if I can answer some of this. What legal basis do you have for thinking anybody owns it? Can't just be donated money - no matter how much. Its a corporation but there is NO stock to own. State law doesn't allow it. Strange as it seems, NOBODY owns it. That's tough for people to understand because it doesn't seem logical. But this is a special class of corporation designed to allow things like liability limitation without the usual profit intent. Its purpose is to provide a community service and it gets special treatment. Now, the people who run it have a lot of say in some ways just like they own it - but they don't.
At this point it looks like little, if any, assets will be left if all this litigation continues. But let's say it comes to the board deciding to dissolve the corporation and some assets are left. IRS rules kick in on that. Last I heard, they could only legally transfer those assets to another similar nonprofit. I'm not an accountant so I can't swear to that. Don't know that there's any restriction about being board members of both even if people think it looks hokey. So far as that old truck, I think that falls under salvage value rules so they might have some leeway on that. But, if I understand the concern, there's no legal way they could sell assets, put the money in their pocket, and just walk off. For the same reason, directors can't just walk out and leave the door open. They have an obligation to the corporation and can be held responsible if they don't go by the law. Notice I said corporation - doesn't mean they have to answer to just anybody who demands this or that.
As to the other idea, I think that would take an element of cooperation. If we had any of that, we wouldn't be where we're at. Its maybe good in theory but don't see it happening. Some tricky legal issues in all this so I'm just giving opinion, not advice.
Just wondering with all that u have said, how is it possible, a x- volunteer can live in a closed fire department & have his belongings parked there as well.( boat, atv, truck) He thinks it is his home.
Volunteer

Middlesboro, KY

#45 Sep 6, 2012
Really wrote:
Again the fiscal court can't take money from the entire county to fund a department which closes all but two of it's stations. The fiscal court has made it clear they will pay any properly purchased BCVFD bills when they open ALL the fire stations up. If the BCVFD is not getting their bills paid it's their own fault and greed.
Again, if not for taxpayer money just exactly how could the BCVFD afford ANY of the equipment
they have bought?
You explain it then: The BCVFD takes taxpayer money for operations and equipment. Now explain to me why the fiscal court would just give this to a bunch of yahoos with no strings attached?
They gave the taxpayer money to an alleged volunteer fire department to provide a semblance for fire protection for the citizens of the county--yes or no?
Now after said monies having been given the BCVFD decides they don't want to play by the rules of the fiscal court-you know keep proper records, buy things you need and not things unrelated to the departments operation, being frugal because the taxpayer is footing ALL the bills for the BCVFD and the BCVFD board gets in a snit takes their marbles and the taxpayers money and go home and don't live up to their end of the deal.
BCVFD--you have taxpayer money in your accounts---either provide fire protection for the whole county or GIVE IT BACK.
Let's not forget the fundraisers they have as well.
uhaul

United States

#46 Sep 6, 2012
Volunteer wrote:
<quoted text>
Just wondering with all that u have said, how is it possible, a x- volunteer can live in a closed fire department & have his belongings parked there as well.( boat, atv, truck) He thinks it is his home.
How do you figure taxpayers own it? If that was true the county would already run things. Taxpayers pay for everything in this country but don't mean they own the stuff they pay for.
caucus

United States

#47 Sep 6, 2012
Really wrote:
Again the fiscal court can't take money from the entire county to fund a department which closes all but two of it's stations. The fiscal court has made it clear they will pay any properly purchased BCVFD bills when they open ALL the fire stations up. If the BCVFD is not getting their bills paid it's their own fault and greed.
Again, if not for taxpayer money just exactly how could the BCVFD afford ANY of the equipment they have bought?
You explain it then: The BCVFD takes taxpayer money for operations and equipment. Now explain to me why the fiscal court would just give this to a bunch of yahoos with no strings attached?
They gave the taxpayer money to an alleged volunteer fire department to provide a semblance for fire protection for the citizens of the county--yes or no?
Now after said monies having been given the BCVFD decides they don't want to play by the rules of the fiscal court-you know keep proper records, buy things you need and not things unrelated to the departments operation, being frugal because the taxpayer is footing ALL the bills for the BCVFD and the BCVFD board gets in a snit takes their marbles and the taxpayers money and go home and don't live up to their end of the deal.
BCVFD--you have taxpayer money in your accounts---either provide fire protection for the whole county or GIVE IT BACK.
And yet fiscal court takes money from property insurance premiums and funds NO stations. That can't be right either. Stop the tax and let people pay bills where they get something in return.
BELL CO VOTER

Brownsville, TN

#48 Sep 6, 2012
My Take on the BS wrote:
You people keep saying that the BCVFD refuses to meet their obligations, but Albey is the one who refused to pay expenses to them. It's simple; taxes are collected, BCVFD submits expenses, FC pays them... yet Albey refused to pay, therefore the BCVFD is forced to close stations and sell assets. Why keep protecting the JE when clearly everything he does is personal, and not for the good of the county? He only does things that are out in the open for people to see so he can get his ugly face in the newspaper. Why don't you people drive around on these back roads and look at how crappy they are? Washed out, not finished, and yes, driveways are paved, yet roads need work done on them. You people who are defending Albey are gonna keep on until our taxes are raised again, our fire insurance goes sky high, and our town is gonna go to sh@t. But I guess almighty Albey will save us from the disaster, right? Wake up people! He's no good for this area. He is only concerned with his personal vendettas, not the community. If he were truly concerned with the community, he wouldn't be wasting money fighting with the BCVFD like a petty teenager, he would simply pay them the money they need to operate as well as fix the roads that are in need of maintenance and completion, and stop trying to get his face in the paper for crap that is far less of a concern than the safety of motorists and our children riding school buses on these crappy back roads. Wake up Bell County! He really is NOT a good JE! But... keep defending him because maybe the kickbacks he's gonna give you will equal the money you're about to pay in taxes and insurance expenses, LOL!
IM ALL FOR MR,BROCK. YOU MUSH BE ONE OF THOSE BCVFD PEOPLE WHO IS TRYING TO START SOMETHING ON MR,BROCK.I STAND BEHIND HIM 100%.
BELL CO VOTER

Brownsville, TN

#49 Sep 6, 2012
My Take on the BS wrote:
And.... the BCVFD has shown their contempt for the taxpayers of Bell County? They most certainly have! They fight fires (hello! fires!) for FREE (yes, FREE)! They are only asking for reimbursements, NOT to be paid like your buddies will be paid when almighty Albey opens a full time station! DUH! But no... your idea is so much better than free.... you're brilliant, dude (rolling eyes)! Just keep up the good ol' Bell County Buddy System tradition... now that's redneck boys!
I'm done..... But a special thank you to the BCVFD for their stand against a tyrant!:)
YOU SAID FREE, NOW THATS BULL SH^T,I no of several people who have receved bills from $2000.00 to $4000.00 dollars for nothing you people have done.
what about the hunting lodge the bcvfd has purchased, the fire station that someone live in for free, the personal use of equipment ( trucks ) at least the ems can show receipts for their purchases and needs.CAN YOU DO THE SAME? maybe the ems could use a new alam system, at least they would have a police report.lol
EX BCVFD

Middlesboro, KY

#50 Sep 6, 2012
How is it right that a BCVFD named Roy quit and he can still live on the BCVFD property why don't you all let him move in your big hunting lodge do you think any city or county of any state would let a X volunteer live on there property after he just all the sudden gets up and quits when the flame starts to get real hot WHAT A JOKE LMAO
Bob Suggs

Louisville, KY

#51 Sep 6, 2012
Really wrote:
Again the fiscal court can't take money from the entire county to fund a department which closes all but two of it's stations. The fiscal court has made it clear they will pay any properly purchased BCVFD bills when they open ALL the fire stations up. If the BCVFD is not getting their bills paid it's their own fault and greed.
Again, if not for taxpayer money just exactly how could the BCVFD afford ANY of the equipment they have bought?
You explain it then: The BCVFD takes taxpayer money for operations and equipment. Now explain to me why the fiscal court would just give this to a bunch of yahoos with no strings attached?
They gave the taxpayer money to an alleged volunteer fire department to provide a semblance for fire protection for the citizens of the county--yes or no?
Now after said monies having been given the BCVFD decides they don't want to play by the rules of the fiscal court-you know keep proper records, buy things you need and not things unrelated to the departments operation, being frugal because the taxpayer is footing ALL the bills for the BCVFD and the BCVFD board gets in a snit takes their marbles and the taxpayers money and go home and don't live up to their end of the deal.
BCVFD--you have taxpayer money in your accounts---either provide fire protection for the whole county or GIVE IT BACK.
Fella, you're completely ignorant on this matter. Please take a remedial math or economics course so you can understand that the money is being used to operate the infrastructure. Why are all the Brock toadies so unable to understand that it takes money to run fire stations??? Good grief. Either Albey is a complete elixir salesman, watching his uneducated minions believe his every word a la Clinton, or else he is a complete imbecile who shouldn't be allowed to run with scissors. If you guys wanna hate the BCVFD for personal reasons, have at it. But for the love of God, PLEASE stop making idiotic comments about "where is the money" or "provide fire protection with your taxpayer money". WTF do you think they have been doing for the last 30 years? Do the math given to you by Boss Hogg Brock:$5 million over 30 years equals $166,667 a year. If insurance on all the stations alone is $50k per year and then you factor in the cost of fire trucks which is generally around $200k minimum, and there are about 15 fire trucks so there was at least one at each station, plus fire hoses, plus bottles and masks and other equipment that cost a lot, plus upkeep on stations, plus everything else to operate stations, then there's the $5 million that was paid over 30 freaking years. So good luck finding another fire department that will operate nine stations on $167k per year. Again, I don't care if you hate the BCVFD people just don't smear them because you can't do math correctly.
who cares

Middlesboro, KY

#52 Sep 6, 2012
We don't care what it cost and we have done the math as long as the crooks of the BCVFD are out we will start a new department what ever it cost as long as we get rid of all you crooks Mr.Bob Suggs
Herodotus

Latonia, KY

#54 Sep 6, 2012
who cares wrote:
We don't care what it cost and we have done the math as long as the crooks of the BCVFD are out we will start a new department what ever it cost as long as we get rid of all you crooks Mr.Bob Suggs
Enlighten us on the math. That's kind of a big deal, Ron Burgundy. Please share your numbers with everyone and identify who is included in your use of the word "we". I think that could be very helpful to your position and may prove your point if the math you've done works out.
Really

Versailles, KY

#55 Sep 7, 2012
"Let's not forget the fundraisers they have as well."

Really? Aside from the mass mailing earlier in the year I have never seen hide nor hair of fundraiser from this bunch.

"Fella, you're completely ignorant on this matter. Please take a remedial math or economics course so you can understand that the money is being used to operate the infrastructure."

Is it taxpayer money? YES. Whether it's infrastructure or purchasing new equipment it was bought with taxpayer money and now the BCVFD says to bad, we are closing our stations, you won't let us have our way. It's clear to me they received taxpayer dollars and then reneged on their end of the deal. The only ignorance here is you in regard to the lack of ETHICS of the BCVFD.

"And yet fiscal court takes money from property insurance premiums and funds NO stations. That can't be right either. Stop the tax and let people pay bills where they get something in return."

No argument from me on this. The BCVFD has shown nothing but contempt for their fellow citizens we know where they stand. If the fiscal court isn't going to begin the process of opening a professional full time fire department for the county, then cut the tax.

If no fire protection is the end result then the fiscal court and the BCVFD both need to give the money they have taken from the citizens back to the citizens. GIVE IT BACK!
Confused

Middlesboro, KY

#56 Sep 7, 2012
I may have missed the answer to this question in one of the other posts, so forgive me if it has to be repeated; How much money is being saved by closing those stations. I'm pretty sure the power and water are still on. Is it an issue with maintaining fuel for the trucks housed there? I just don't understand what putting a closed sign above the door has relieved from their financial burden
Roy Amburgey

Winchester, KY

#57 Sep 8, 2012
You people need to keep on the subject line here. Talk about alby, rob and the fiscal court being sued here and stay off the fire department. At least till the auction is over where we get the property for a $1 for our "other" non profit organization. Now from what i hear alby, rob, colbey and the fiscal court are all being sued by the animal shelter. its a shame they only feed them dogs and cats 2 times a day. People lets turn our attention to this and all the other things in our county that needs addressed. Just lay off my fire department house where i live. Thanks to leaf-shiner and all the other boys, keep up the gud works.
Really

Corbin, KY

#58 Sep 8, 2012
Bunk Buddy wrote:
<quoted text>
If that "understanding" isn't in writing, could be a problem. And is that just the land or was a building included?
Judge doesn't want to make a decision because he knows how silly this all is. That's why he told them to go home and play nice. But push comes to shove, the law is clear on who owns the assets of a corporation. If he rules any other way, you can about bet on an appeal.
It isn't as clear cut as you think. It all depends on what the statute is that governs the way the insurance tax money is collected from the residents and how it states it is to be used. The lawyer for the VFD knows this and he is going to keep on with this as long as the VFD has money to pay him. He doesn't care if he wins or not, he gets his money. I still don't understand what the deal is if the court agreed to pay all expenses of the VFD as long as they were legitimate. Sound like the BCVFD wants a blank check like they got for years and wasted most of it on cookouts, parties and cabins.
Trainer

Corbin, KY

#59 Sep 8, 2012
Roy Amburgey wrote:
You people need to keep on the subject line here. Talk about alby, rob and the fiscal court being sued here and stay off the fire department. At least till the auction is over where we get the property for a $1 for our "other" non profit organization. Now from what i hear alby, rob, colbey and the fiscal court are all being sued by the animal shelter. its a shame they only feed them dogs and cats 2 times a day. People lets turn our attention to this and all the other things in our county that needs addressed. Just lay off my fire department house where i live. Thanks to leaf-shiner and all the other boys, keep up the gud works.
Wow, how damn stupid are you????? Dogs and cats don't go by how many meals a day they get, it is by the amount. I raise and train German Shepherds and the adults get their (6)cups a day as recommended by the vet and the young one's get(4). So don't try to turn the attention to the animals with this STUPID comment. How ridiculous and pathetic.
Mrs Amburgey

Winchester, KY

#60 Sep 8, 2012
Trainer you look like training dogs. Things are flying over your head. STUPID Forest.
Simple Solution

Latonia, KY

#61 Sep 9, 2012
Really wrote:
<quoted text>It isn't as clear cut as you think. It all depends on what the statute is that governs the way the insurance tax money is collected from the residents and how it states it is to be used. The lawyer for the VFD knows this and he is going to keep on with this as long as the VFD has money to pay him. He doesn't care if he wins or not, he gets his money. I still don't understand what the deal is if the court agreed to pay all expenses of the VFD as long as they were legitimate. Sound like the BCVFD wants a blank check like they got for years and wasted most of it on cookouts, parties and cabins.
The deal appears to be that the fiscal court actually did not pay all legitimate expenses. Breathing bottles and masks, fire hoses, and even insurance payments on the stations were all arbitrarily denied by Brock in late 2011. That is a problem, because Brock cannot tell the public one thing while actually doing the opposite. Based on Brock's prior denials of legitimate expenses, and his absurd insistence that the BCVFD buy fire equipment first and then he alone will arbitrarily decide whether or not to reimburse for that unquestionably legitimate expense, I see where the BCVFD has doubts about Brock's truthfulness on this issue.

The fix is easy: if Brock tells the BCVFD to "give me an annual budget showing what the money will be for and what you need to run all nine stations" and then that amount is agreed on and hashed out first, he could give that amount to the BCVFD from the fire suppression fund and then do an audit once or twice a year to confirm money went where the budget showed it would go. And he could then adjust accordingly each year. He gets to keep oversight and the fire department gets assurance all it's legitimate expenses are actually going to be paid. Of course, this simple approach would solve EVERY issue for both the Fiscal Court, BCVFD, and most importantly all of us in the county who are affected by this. So let's see who wants to get reelected and be a hero to the community by making this proposal. I know I'm voting for whoever makes a proposal like this, especially of Brock makes this proposal since it will show he's concerned about solving the problem and leading instead of being a part of the problem.
Another Deputy

United States

#62 Sep 9, 2012
Seems like fiscal court just doesn't understand budgets. Maybe if they'd hire an outside accountant who understands nonprofit expenditures, that might get the point across. All we've heard for over a year is "legitimate expenses, legitimate expenses". Put down on paper - line item by line item - what that means and let's see who has it wrong. Let's compare that to other volunteer departments who appear to be doing it right.

Doesn't seem all that complicated. If fiscal court wants to run its own fire department, they're about a year behind. If they aren't going to do ANYTHING, give back the money to the taxpayers. Maybe that will cover the new school tax. This heavy-handed "my way" approach has already cost us more than any supposed savings will ever pay back. In case nobody noticed, we got people needing JOBS. Anyone working on that?

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