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billy trump
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i am just saying that i've known these people for like 9-10 years and i dont believe for one second that jeff raped this little girl because she and my sister were best friends and she would of told my sister that that was happening so i dont believe that jeff should be put away for the next 9 years :( ~billy~
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Billy, Children that are being sexually abused often do NOT tell ANYONE. Often the offender has threatened bodily harm to the child and/or their family. I know this first hand. I was abused for years, had lots of friends, teachers, Sunday school teachers, etc. I said nothing to anyone until after the abuser was dead. I believe this is typical. It's also tiring to read comments from friends/family of abusers. They always say they know this guy... he could NEVER do such a thing, etc. Abusers live a double life. They do not let on for an instant what they're doing to children. They keep it a great big secret. It's ILLEGAL, after all. They also aren't one-sided scary boogey-men. My abuser was a funny, charming guy. Lots of people liked him very much. My mother loved him. No one would have ever suspected a thing. He was really likeable. I believe this is also common. Please, if you're not the abused or the abuser, you really have no idea.
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I agree, children will keep things secret if you make threats, not to mention they feel like it is their fault or they deserved it; they probably are embarassed, even to tell their best friend. I think that nine years isnt long enough, i think that if you abuse a child you should get life!
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Billy,until a person has been found to be the guilty party, they are inocent according to our laws. It's sad if one person get 'accused', they get stereotyped instantly! You have 'strangers' who are telling you already they are guilty by accusation. when it happens to them someday, they may think differantly,huh///
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WEll I could say the same back to you Kalispell, MT. If a person was accused of molesting your daughter would you say well they are innocent until found guily? I would think not, so you can stand and say that we are the ignorant ones for saying that if he did it he should get life, but I shall quote you, "when it happens to you someday, you may think differently, huh///"
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Telling the truth
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Some kids when they are busted doing something that is not right, like having sex with another young person, pictures that are prono in nature of someone they know that is underage, called on the carpet & says if you say anything I will say my stepdad sexually abused me. Called on it crys wolf. Gets attention, doesn't think it will go so far, to late, can't take it back, will go to jail, guilty of perjury besides having to deal with all the people she told this story too. She has all the people arond her feeling sorry for her. Her family will never take her back again anyway for the lies. The person she is accusing, when her parent died (due to drugs & an accident), took her in, brought her up, took care of her is sitting in jail. She has all of the support she needs now. His word against hers, she's a minor (17 yrs is still a minor). One day the truth might come out, so much time was lost to the other people in the family. For the person that is being accused, sometimes has to plead guilty, time served can be so much less then if you plea not guily and you are convicted. The way the laws are. Many are convicted wrongly! That has been proven. Children Should Be Protected, some children do have mental issues, sometimes due to their parents genes & their drug use while pregnant.
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The Ex
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I was just reading these comments ..And I have to say being the Ex Of Jeff and living with him for a few years ....I do not believe He would have ever done this..When I lived with him I also had the girl that is accusing him of the rape live with the both of us...she was only 2, very cute lil dark haired girl that looked normal in every way ...But did lots of odd sexual behavior things ..That I told the Cps worker about and what did they say? NOTHING they were looking into it ..She always talked about money amounts for BJ..now what 2 year old knows that? That is one of the reasons why she was taken from her birth mother...I had her 24/7 and Jeff worked nights and I kept her out of the house during the day so he could sleep ...He never acted odd to any of the children I took care of .....Just because he pleaded guilty doesn't mean he is .. He was facing up to 40 years ..if THEY found him guilty...and most of the time they are always found guilty... Look at the statistics..He didn't have a chance if he ever wanted to see his parents alive again (and he has great parents) and or see his own children again ..I don't blame the man...getting 7 to 10 years is way better ...and for Jeff 40 years is a life sentence He would have been 81 when he got out...So don't judge unless you know the people ...She is a very vindictive child and some day she will pay for what she has done...Its just sad that Jeff and kim spent 15 years of their lives on such an ungrateful brat!
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Telling the truth
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I am so sorry! I wish things had worked out for them & their kids. I hope Kim & Jeff know there are people out there that think of them everyday. How they are missed by their friends! Some of us believe Jeff did what he had to do to get a chance to see his kids grow up. Not worth a trial & taking the chance of a long prison term. The girl who is in ??? will live with herself. Sorry for her! She lost the only family she had. What goes around, goes around! The fact that CSD left her in the school that her family (children of the accused) went to the same school was so unethical. How is it possible we put the kids of the accused in a position of mental abuse. They believed in their dad. He was being accused of a very harsh accusation. CSD aloud them to keep in contact. Scarey! I think that was child abuse!
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There are signs, some parents never see it, blinders. Acting out is common! Sometimes when you try to help them, they turn on you! The child we are talking about had issues for yrs, was treated with respect. She had been abused! She was taken out of a bad situation! She was part of a family that put up with her out of control & spoiled attitude. They looked past a lot of her behavior. She was called on the carpet for pictures, notes she had written & when told that the parent of the other girl(who was underage a couple yrs younger then her)was going to be called, she said she was raped. So what do you do? As a parent? I will not be blackmailed! That back fired and I am sure that if there was a way to of given that child to CPS and have her get counseling when found the evidence, you bet. CPS is for children sometimes they ignore the parents, which does not help the child, and can hurt the whole family. Until they are 18 you can not kick a child out of your house, it is against the law! Unless they are a runaway, busted breaking the law, multiple times. Parents have no control over children today. Spankings is a thing of the past. Standing up to your child can get you thrown in jail! If you have other children to support, do you loose everything you have worked for to make a stand? Jeff & Kim Did! Try telling your son, daughter who is out of control that they are grounded, & CANNOT leave the house. If they walk out of the house, what are you going to do? You can not lock them out, IT IS CHILD ABUSE.(YOU AS A PARENT ARE RESPONSIBLE TO KEEP A ROOF OVER THEIR HEAD). You can stand in their way, they can push you aside, don't push back, if they get hurt it is child abuse! You can not hold them back,it is considered restraining. What are your options? Tough Love is a thing of the past! A child that is out of control can run your house, they tell you what they are doing & you better be ok with it, the law is on their side. Been there, done that! My children are grown & the son (who's biological father died from alcohol when he was young), caused a lot my heartache over the yrs. doesn't work, has 3 children from 3 different women, he doesn't support, and my Aunt who pays his child support so he doesn't go to jail, & supports him. He is 30 yrs. old today. I worked most of his yrs growing up, 2 jobs to support him, and his 3 siblings. He had no bounderies, he broke into our room, broke into a locked closet for ciggs. & money, he came & went whenever he wanted (Portland Police said we had no right to lock our doors, child abuse) He riped off checks, wrote different amounts & cashed them. Bank acct. was overdrawn is how I found out! He was taken to the police department, they said they would release him & give him a bus ticket home. Till he went after he siblings (4 & 5 yrs younger)with a knief, our hands were tied. Then he was put in a foster home. We went to counseling and did the best we could for him. He to this very day lies, cheats, steals, smokes pot, doesn't work, uses people, & thinks everyone owes him. He had the same upbringing as my other children but his behavior has always been all about him. There is no conscience, he stoled after his father passed away 2 yrs ago, whatever he could take out of the house was his. Jeff & Kim lost a lot. They had only a yr. or so to put up with this girl. Should they of let her run their home or stood up for what they knew was right? Today they have lost their jobs, some friends, sold their home, fought to keep their children. They have both had to plead guilty for less time in jail or prison. That is a lot to loose! Did CPS look at the whole picture? They are not always right! CPS gave visitation a few yrs ago at a park, mother took off with young baby, killed child, mother took baby to funeral home. They can make mistakes! At the cost of who's life?
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The Ex wrote: I was just reading these comments ..And I have to say being the Ex Of Jeff and living with him for a few years ....I do not believe He would have ever done this..When I lived with him I also had the girl that is accusing him of the rape live with the both of us...she was only 2, very cute lil dark haired girl that looked normal in every way ...But did lots of odd sexual behavior things ..That I told the Cps worker about and what did they say? NOTHING they were looking into it ..She always talked about money amounts for BJ..now what 2 year old knows that? That is one of the reasons why she was taken from her birth mother...I had her 24/7 and Jeff worked nights and I kept her out of the house during the day so he could sleep ...He never acted odd to any of the children I took care of .....Just because he pleaded guilty doesn't mean he is .. He was facing up to 40 years ..if THEY found him guilty...and most of the time they are always found guilty... Look at the statistics..He didn't have a chance if he ever wanted to see his parents alive again (and he has great parents) and or see his own children again ..I don't blame the man...getting 7 to 10 years is way better ...and for Jeff 40 years is a life sentence He would have been 81 when he got out...So don't judge unless you know the people ...She is a very vindictive child and some day she will pay for what she has done...Its just sad that Jeff and kim spent 15 years of their lives on such an ungrateful brat! You don't know what she's been through growing up with Jeff and Kim so who are you to judge her. You are the one that's not telling the truth about her. I'm her Aunt and I know you're lying about her saying crap about how much money for a BJ at 2 yrs old! That is not the reason she was taken from her real mother either. You are a real peice of work lady, and I know who you are. Where you there behind closed doors??? No!!! So who are you to judge. Only Jeff and her know the real truth. All you people make me sick. Get a life. Hopefully you don't have something like this happen in your family. This girls been through enough in her short life, of course she's messed up, but it don't mean that she's lying about what Jeff's plead guilty of!!!
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kit
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It sounds to me like you're doing more than telling the truth! you are blaming a young girl for saying she was raped. i can not beleive a man would plead guilty to rape if he did not do it. there are more men walking around free from the law after raping and molesting kids than there are children lying and making life miserable for parents. you need to take responsiblity for how you raised your son. He wasnt the only one in the wrong. and this young girl was most likely raped so stop blaming her!
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kit
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good for you Fed Up! I'm sick and tired of people blaming the kids when something like this happens! Please get help for this girl. more than anything she needs to be believed and loved. please do that for her!
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The Ex
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Fed up wrote: <quoted text>
You don't know what she's been through growing up with Jeff and Kim so who are you to judge her. You are the one that's not telling the truth about her. I'm her Aunt and I know you're lying about her saying crap about how much money for a BJ at 2 yrs old! That is not the reason she was taken from her real mother either. You are a real peice of work lady, and I know who you are. Where you there behind closed doors??? No!!! So who are you to judge. Only Jeff and her know the real truth. All you people make me sick. Get a life. Hopefully you don't have something like this happen in your family. This girls been through enough in her short life, of course she's messed up, but it don't mean that she's lying about what Jeff's plead guilty of!!! well well...your her Aunt? Huh, So where were you when she was put in to the foster care system? I didn't see you stepping up to the plate to take care of her...Jeff was the ONLY family member that did! and yes I was around a lot through the years ...I kept in contact with Jeff and Kim and his family..and don't try saying that wasn't the reason she was taken from her mother ..I tried to put it nice for the sake of not bashing a dead woman...So you want me to say it was for sexual abuse and being a drug addict and for being a whore? there its all in black for ya! Her mother was a nice perosn just ran with the wrong crowd and drugs over took her life...And the girl were talking about was drug addicted at birth...and was messed up and still is...Just read her myspace that will say it all...And I did have someone in my family that was REALLY raped by her birthfather ..and She knows Jeff and she knows this girl..ans she doesn't even believe it either.. I saw how my neice acted after it came out about her real father she didn't run around telling everyone at school,myspace,friends,family ...She only talked to her mom and step dad about it...She wasn't out for the ATTENTION of it, like some people are! Most people raped don't want everyone to know ...Unless they are seeking attention...And yeah you really know who I am ..Like I really care...I said I was his EX ..ofcourse anyone that knows Jeff knows that i'm his ONLY EX ..your a smart one aren't ya? And for the BJ comment it was true plus lots more...look this up this is what she would say on a regular bases ..I will never forget It shocked me and my whole family was there when she said it so don't go off saying I lie about her sexual comments at that time she would rub herself and say "veinte para coņo" ..I may have raised her for only a few years ..But I saw and heard a lot from a child I tried to help and control ..I truly loved that little girl and tried everything in my power to help her ...But sometimes theres only so much a person can do to help...So don't come off like you know everything ..You only know what you are spoon fed ..You can tell that by what you have wrote..Jeff comes from a good family and is a good man ...but there always has to be a bad seed in all familys and she's the bad seed ...
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To The Ex,(So called ONLY Ex) Don't tell me I don't know what's going on. I grew up with Jeff, and the dead woman you are bashing is my sister that was killed in a drive by shooting. I know a hell of a lot more than you think you know. You've got some nerve lady. For you're info, she was not a drug addict baby when she was born, there was no drugs in her system, if there was they would not have even let her go home from the hospital with her mom, they would have taken her then. She was taken away at the age of 2 and a half, and you were almost an ex then, you didn't raise her for a couple of years, more like a couple of months. So why don't you just stop while you're making yourself look bad? Maybe you'd like it if someone that was not family write a bunch of crap that they think they know about you and your neice that wasn't true? In this world you treat people the way you want to be treated, and you deserve to be bashed when your dead too. Did you ever stop to think that maybe she crying out for attention the way she is, is because that's the only way she's been taught by the people that raised her? You can include yourself in that!!! For your information Kim raised her like the wicked Step-mother from hell. She had that child cooking breakfast, lunch and dinner every day for her, Jeff and her kids, cleaning the house after her, Jeff and her kids, she was being home schooled so that she could babysitter her kids while Kim slept. She had her as her little slave. She didn't have the greatest up bringing that you think she did. You're the one that beleives what you're being spoon fed, and where are you getting your information??? From the very people that abused her, of couse they are going to make her out to be the bad one. Hopefully eveyone that reads your posts realizes just what kind of person you really are, someone that likes to bash children and dead people. Hope you feel good about yourself. You're a sick person. Enjoy your miserable life. No need to reply, I've made my point!!!! Hopefully you got your 15 seconds of fame!!!
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Fed up wrote: To The Ex,(So called ONLY Ex)
Don't tell me I don't know what's going on. I grew up with Jeff, and the dead woman you are bashing is my sister that was killed in a drive by shooting. I know a hell of a lot more than you think you know. You've got some nerve lady. For you're info, she was not a drug addict baby when she was born, there was no drugs in her system, if there was they would not have even let her go home from the hospital with her mom, they would have taken her then. She was taken away at the age of 2 and a half, and you were almost an ex then, you didn't raise her for a couple of years, more like a couple of months. So why don't you just stop while you're making yourself look bad? Maybe you'd like it if someone that was not family write a bunch of crap that they think they know about you and your neice that wasn't true? In this world you treat people the way you want to be treated, and you deserve to be bashed when your dead too. Did you ever stop to think that maybe she crying out for attention the way she is, is because that's the only way she's been taught by the people that raised her? You can include yourself in that!!! For your information Kim raised her like the wicked Step-mother from hell. She had that child cooking breakfast, lunch and dinner every day for her, Jeff and her kids, cleaning the house after her, Jeff and her kids, she was being home schooled so that she could babysitter her kids while Kim slept. She had her as her little slave. She didn't have the greatest up bringing that you think she did. You're the one that beleives what you're being spoon fed, and where are you getting your information??? From the very people that abused her, of couse they are going to make her out to be the bad one. Hopefully eveyone that reads your posts realizes just what kind of person you really are, someone that likes to bash children and dead people. Hope you feel good about yourself. You're a sick person. Enjoy your miserable life. No need to reply, I've made my point!!!! Hopefully you got your 15 seconds of fame!!! uh huh ....Your the smart one......everyone will know I'm the crazy one thats right....and your facts are wrong! but you still avoided the fact you didnt step up to the plate...maybe because your life isn't that far from how your sisters was ...and by the way 19 isn't a child...I really got my fame like everyone is going to know who I am ....I guess whores run in your side of the family don't they?...need I say more or would you like me to air your dirty laundry?
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You're not worth my time! GROW UP!!!! Just like I said, I hope everyone reading your post's can see what kind of person you are, and how mature you are. You don't have a clue. Get one!!! And for stepping up to the plate I did way more than you for her and my sister than anyone in the Spady family. Who plead guilty??? Who ran? Who helped him get across the boarder to Canada? That's right, it was all Spady's.
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yep you did a lot more....that is why she had to live with her REAL brother after all this happened. where were you again? Oh, Thats right you were busy helping her again... and what did you do for your sister nothing once again...That is why pam and roy bought everything for the child ..Not you the wonder AUNT......and by the way she was taken at birth and was drug addicted and she was one and half and it was longer then a few months .. I just got all my old papers out and yep I was right again ...I get it now you should get all the credit for the way she is .....you have taken her a long way! And for him and the guilty plea why don't you look at the woodland post and that tells it all ..But Once again I'm sure you know better.... It wasn't all the Spadys that helped them either..get your facts straight your making a fool of yourself once again..But hey I know you have always been jealous of the Spadys and must still be ...You can always take the girl out of the trailer park but can't take the trailer park out of the girl...
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You can beleive whatever you want to beleive. She was NOT 1 and a half, she was 2 and a half. And she was not taken from my sister at birth. And she was not addicted to drugs at birth. I don't care what you think you know is true. And for old paperwork you think you have, it's probably toilet paper!!! Her REAL brother is only her HALF brother, you stupid @%#&*~!!!! And she lived with him before they took her child. This isn't about MY sister, it's about what Jeff has plead guilty of and admitted to doing to his own niece, the one who raised her since she was 2 1/2, and if anyone messed that kid up it was them, not my sister! My sister loved all of her kids, and yes she made her mistakes, but I know I can sleep at night knowing I did everything I could do for her and her kids. Why don't you ask her dad if he can do the same? You think the Spady's are all high and mighty, but they are not!!! Me jealous of the Spady's??? I am so glad I'm not on that side of that messed up family. You have no idea!!! So are you a big drug user like they are? You must be if you are Jeff's ex, cause he has smoked pot with his dad and mom since he was young, and used cocaine, but I'm not telling you anything you don't already know cause you were right along with them. Now that's such a good parent there!!! The only difference between MY sister and them, is that they could afford their habits, and she couldn't. Jeezz I wonder where my sister got that gene??? A druggie is a druggie no matter how much money they have. You said it, you can always take the girl out of the trailor park, but you can't take the trailor park out of the girl....so why don't you go back home where you belong and do your dope!!! You're nothing but White Trash!!!! And you've made it known to all who has read your post's!!! I will no longer reply to you and your stupidity, so enjoy your worthless life. Hopefully you can find something else to do, beside bash dead people that can't defend themselves, and defenseless children that are victims of there own family members sick acts.
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Dear Fed Up, It sounds like this so-called family that took your niece isnt worth much. Stay away from them and don't fight with them. You are right, the posts from the EX only show her real colors. People don't plead guilty for something as horrible as rape unless they really did it! Only really guilty insecure people start mud-slinging problems that other people have. they are not worth the fight. just see if there is a way you can help your niece!
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Thanks Kit!! I knew if I replied to her the first time that she'd show her true colors. That's why I did it. For her to bash my dead sister, who she don't even know, and has no clue about what all my niece has been through growing up in that household, and was not there behind closed doors, I was fed up! I think my sister paid dearly with her life for making the mistakes she's made. Some people just think they know, being on the outside looking in. People that live in glass houses, shouldn't throw the first stone, or they might get what's coming to them. You are right that they are not worth the fight. My niece is doing good now that she's out of that house. I think it's great for her to stand up to them, and show them they can't hurt her any more. She's one tough little lady and she's got more courage than some girls her age. She's been through counseling, and has her a job. She's living with a friend and her mom to be able to finish her schooling. She's been through hell and back and still holds her head high. I let her know, that I would much rather know that she's lying, than to even think about her having to live through being raped by her own Uncle since before she was 10. I beleive her, and will be behind her 100%. Jeff knew that they had enough evindence against him to convict him for what he's done, that's why he took the plea bargin. I think anyone that is innocent, would not run with his kids, putting them in DANGER! And would not plead guilty and ADMIT to it. Putting shame on himself, his family and everyone that supports him, especially his other 4 kids. Now they have to live life knowing that their dad is a child molester, and rapist. I feel sorry for the children.
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