Coley facing challenge from Glidewell

Coley facing challenge from Glidewell

There are 203 comments on the Panama City News Herald story from Aug 5, 2012, titled Coley facing challenge from Glidewell. In it, Panama City News Herald reports that:

Republican voters in House District 5 have the choice between an incumbent who said she has proven she can work with other legislators to get results and a challenger who says he will buck party leadership if necessary to represent the district.

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tiger

Laurel Hill, FL

#1 Aug 6, 2012
Any teacher, corrections officer or state and local employee who votes for Coley is crazy or suicidal. Any business owner who votes for Coley apparently does not understand economics. When I lose money, they lose money.
Support

Chipley, FL

#2 Aug 6, 2012
So does Glidewell support Obama?
tiger

Laurel Hill, FL

#3 Aug 6, 2012
He is a conservative Republican, I doubt it.
Crazy

Santa Rosa Beach, FL

#4 Aug 6, 2012
Support wrote:
So does Glidewell support Obama?
So what if he does? He has one vote for president just like you do. People got so worried about Alex Sink and who she supported that they voted in a guy (Scott) who then did away with their jobs. Now some are still laughing about that and it is pretty pathetic. Let's vote someone in who can think for himself and won't bow to the GOP party gods.
Geewhiz

Chipley, FL

#6 Aug 6, 2012
yes wrote:
Any one who is not a teacher , correction officer or state employee needs to remember to vote people who will hold these state employees (leeches) accountable.They dont understand economics, the more they get or spend the more taxes that citizens and businesses have to pay.Which equals less money we have to spend at local businesses.And less money businesses have to create jobs.
Anyone who is not a teacher, corrections officer, or state employee needs to be thankful that people are holding these jobs. After all, teaching your kids is one of the most important jobs in the world. And guarding prisoners is a thankless but necessary job. If these folks are as worthless as the post above sounds, why don't you take a turn guarding the prisoners (I'm sure night shift is available), fill in your own potholes as you see fit, and by all means educate your own child. And remember if these people lose their jobs then there will be no customers at local businesses because these are the major employers in our area. ther major
Really

Chipley, FL

#7 Aug 6, 2012
Everyone that has a job should be thankful in this economy!
yes

Freeport, FL

#8 Aug 6, 2012
I know teachers and correctional officers are important jobs but the reason people get sick of ya'll is cause you are never happy.Teachers get paid plenty considering the time they actually work in a year. If you look at the total package the state employees get plenty of time off , insurance , retirement , and no offense but it is in no way hard work compared to what people do in the private sector.Yet you bitch and complain when people expect for you to be held to the same standard as the people who pay your salaries.

1. Pay into your retirement everyone else has to
2. Take drug test most people who work have to
3. Quit with all this tenure bullshit
4. Don't expect raises in a bad economy we don't
5. be accountable for tax dollars and quit spending for shit that don't work or we don't need.

“Wake-Up Citizens”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#9 Aug 6, 2012
Geewhiz wrote:
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Anyone who is not a teacher, corrections officer, or state employee needs to be thankful that people are holding these jobs.
Anyone who holds those jobs need to remember that it is the taxpayers who pay their salaries/wages... therefore, it is the people who are the employers.
Geewhiz wrote:
After all, teaching your kids is one of the most important jobs in the world. And guarding prisoners is a thankless but necessary job.
And when one of those state workers need a plumber or electrician or auto mechanic, or even wants to visit the local BK or McDonalds or the Pizza place... those state workers need to remember that none of those services would be available if it were not for the non-state workers. Oh my goodness... let that state worker go clean his/her own septic tank or unclog a drain line going to the city side of the sewage system... let the state worker repair his/her own a/c system or when they want a hamburger for lunch, let them cook their own...

As for educating the children... Ever hear of home schooling... it really does work.. If the teachers are doing such good jobs at educating the children, why has there been high-school graduates who don't know how to read?(admittedly few, but there are such cases)
Geewhiz wrote:
If these folks are as worthless as the post above sounds, why don't you take a turn guarding the prisoners (I'm sure night shift is available), fill in your own potholes as you see fit, and by all means educate your own child. And remember if these people lose their jobs then there will be no customers at local businesses because these are the major employers in our area. ther major
Politicians play a major role in the job development within a given area. In this area, it is well noted that industry is not supported by the politicians, else there would have been many industries open up in this area in the past. But instead of industry, the politicians cook deals with land developers such was the case with Sunny Hills... where did that end up... hundreds of empty lots that the county took control of and the burden fell on the taxpayers. You should take a good look at the comprehensive plan and ask to see the 5 year plan... look at what is on the drawing board for the county. Planning and zoning... they don't particularly plan to have any major industry in this area.... but they do plan to strip more agriculture land and turn it over to more developers for more empty lots.
state worker

Laurel Hill, FL

#10 Aug 7, 2012
government workers in Florida are generally paid well below the national average. While there are fat cats who get big salaries and do little, the people on the streets, fixing the streets and teaching your children are paid barely above food stamp levels and do what they do to serve their fellow man. To call them leaches is a terrible insult. The retirement is the one way they can be compensated for what they do fairly and people like YES want to take that away too. I am sure he/she would be willing to guard 100 prisoners by their self for poverty wages and no benefits.
The 3% tax on government workers in Florida removed millions from our local economies that cost local businesses business and hurt the economy.

“Wake-Up Citizens”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#11 Aug 7, 2012
state worker wrote:
government workers in Florida are generally paid well below the national average. While there are fat cats who get big salaries and do little, the people on the streets, fixing the streets and teaching your children are paid barely above food stamp levels and do what they do to serve their fellow man. To call them leaches is a terrible insult. The retirement is the one way they can be compensated for what they do fairly and people like YES want to take that away too. I am sure he/she would be willing to guard 100 prisoners by their self for poverty wages and no benefits.
The 3% tax on government workers in Florida removed millions from our local economies that cost local businesses business and hurt the economy.
I know some members of the DOC who, in spite of your claim, make well over the poverty level, and because of such, cannot qualify for food stamps. Do you realize that the expression "no benefits" is an absolute?(meaning that there is zero benefits). Would you be willing to place a poor mans bet on that claim? Are you also suggesting that prior to the implementation of the 3% tax on government workers, that those same government workers were exempt from the law? If you are, then you are admitting that there is a class distinction between state workers and non state workers. That would be a form of legalized discrimination... making some pay taxes while the others don't have to pay taxes. What makes government employees so special that they feel they should be above the law of taxation? Are there also other laws in which the government employees are exempt?
agree with abe

Houston, TX

#12 Aug 7, 2012
The 2011 federal poverty guidelines are:
•For a one-person family:$10,890
•For a two-person family:$14,710
•For a three-person family:$18,530
•For a four-person family:$22,350

Average public Florida teacher salary $45,723
Average CO officer salary in Fl.$39,300

Barely above poverty level huh?
Keep telling lies to make your crying ass look better, and then wonder why people call you leeches.
get real

Houston, TX

#13 Aug 7, 2012
tiger wrote:
Any teacher, corrections officer or state and local employee who votes for Coley is crazy or suicidal. Any business owner who votes for Coley apparently does not understand economics. When I lose money, they lose money.
Since ya'll keep bringing up that it is money being taken away from our businesses , and you seem so concerned about them, how about this?
How about state employees fund all of their own retirement and pay their fair share of health insurance and the money the state saves we can return to local businesses in the form of tax cuts.
Instead of thinking with greed and worrying about what benefits you why not think about what benefits the state and all of your fellow citizens?
state

North Port, FL

#14 Aug 7, 2012
It would be ok if they give the money they are taking away and putting it%into a retirement fund. Also if they couldnt do that give the 3% to them and allow them to fund their own retirement but to allow them to take the money and pay the bills is wrong.
you get real

Panama City, FL

#15 Aug 7, 2012
get real wrote:
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Since ya'll keep bringing up that it is money being taken away from our businesses , and you seem so concerned about them, how about this?
How about state employees fund all of their own retirement and pay their fair share of health insurance and the money the state saves we can return to local businesses in the form of tax cuts.
Instead of thinking with greed and worrying about what benefits you why not think about what benefits the state and all of your fellow citizens?
like that is going to happen-as if the money taken from the state employees is being given back to small business instead of the governors and coleys big business friends.
Geewhiz

Panama City, FL

#17 Aug 7, 2012
Abe Ibdeec wrote:
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Anyone who holds those jobs need to remember that it is the taxpayers who pay their salaries/wages... therefore, it is the people who are the employers.
<quoted text>
And when one of those state workers need a plumber or electrician or auto mechanic, or even wants to visit the local BK or McDonalds or the Pizza place... those state workers need to remember that none of those services would be available if it were not for the non-state workers. Oh my goodness... let that state worker go clean his/her own septic tank or unclog a drain line going to the city side of the sewage system... let the state worker repair his/her own a/c system or when they want a hamburger for lunch, let them cook their own...
As for educating the children... Ever hear of home schooling... it really does work.. If the teachers are doing such good jobs at educating the children, why has there been high-school graduates who don't know how to read?(admittedly few, but there are such cases)
<quoted text>
Politicians play a major role in the job development within a given area. In this area, it is well noted that industry is not supported by the politicians, else there would have been many industries open up in this area in the past. But instead of industry, the politicians cook deals with land developers such was the case with Sunny Hills... where did that end up... hundreds of empty lots that the county took control of and the burden fell on the taxpayers. You should take a good look at the comprehensive plan and ask to see the 5 year plan... look at what is on the drawing board for the county. Planning and zoning... they don't particularly plan to have any major industry in this area.... but they do plan to strip more agriculture land and turn it over to more developers for more empty lots.
Abe, if you'll recall an earlier conversation we had on another thread, then you know I'm not a state worker. I have no retirement except what I save on my own and I pay 100% of my own insurance coverage like most in my profession. Yet I have no problem with state workers and am thankful that they hold the jobs they have. I also have no problem with our teachers and I believe the FCAT, not tenure (which has been in place literally forever) is the downfall of our current educational situation. I still have a child receiving a good education at our public school and another who is on academic scholarship to a major university, courtesy of Washington County schools. I do work at a business, though, that sees many uninsured folks and alot of them are former state workers whose jobs were privatized. Since, as you pointed out, there is virtually no industry here, some that are rabid about depleting our state worker rolls even more need to remember that unemployed people don't patronize local businesses. They either join the ranks of public assistance or they move. Take DOT and the school system away from here and this place would be a wasteland.

Geewhiz

Panama City, FL

#19 Aug 7, 2012
oh no wrote:
If they privatize something would it not be in the companies best interest to keep the experienced employees who are actually worth a shit? They would most likely trim the fat and get rid of the people who do nothing , in which case we do not need to keep them on state payroll just because we think it creates jobs for people who patronize our businesses.It seems when the state tries to trim fat all we worry about is the jobs but we dont about the financial burden of the state for all these jobs we make up just for the sake of giving someone a job.There is a lot of that at the DOT.
It would seem that it would be in their best interest to keep experienced employees but often they hire new folks who will work for less money. Even in the private sector, experience equals pay. And in the private sector, the bottom line is money...not service. I understand trimming fat but you cannot do away with a major employer without offering an alternative. Just be realistic that all that "fat" at DOT will need jobs. If tomorrow, 50 people at DOT were suddenly looking for jobs in Chipley, where would they work? The last time data was published, Washington County had the highest unemployment rate (10 something) when compared to surrounding counties. So if they join the ranks of those on public assistance, any gains the state realized will be eaten up in welfare payments and Medicaid that the children will then be eligible for.

“Wake-Up Citizens”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#20 Aug 8, 2012
Geewhiz wrote:
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Abe, if you'll recall an earlier conversation we had on another thread, then you know I'm not a state worker. I have no retirement except what I save on my own and I pay 100% of my own insurance coverage like most in my profession. Yet I have no problem with state workers and am thankful that they hold the jobs they have. I also have no problem with our teachers and I believe the FCAT, not tenure (which has been in place literally forever) is the downfall of our current educational situation. I still have a child receiving a good education at our public school and another who is on academic scholarship to a major university, courtesy of Washington County schools. I do work at a business, though, that sees many uninsured folks and alot of them are former state workers whose jobs were privatized. Since, as you pointed out, there is virtually no industry here, some that are rabid about depleting our state worker rolls even more need to remember that unemployed people don't patronize local businesses. They either join the ranks of public assistance or they move. Take DOT and the school system away from here and this place would be a wasteland.
Clear the air: First, it is right for any person to have a choice of where he/she works... if they, you, me or anyone chooses to work for the state, that is their privilege. I am also not suggesting that anyone who has made that choice should lose their job or their ability to live comfortably. What I am saying is simply this. What those state workers need to learn is to live within their means of income. Don't build a budget that reflects a desire to reach for the moon, when the income shows that they cannot afford fuel for a model airplane. Plain and simple, some of the people are getting extremely tired of having to take their meals and throw them into the hog trough in order to keep the hog fat.
Geewhiz

Panama City, FL

#21 Aug 8, 2012
Abe Ibdeec wrote:
<quoted text>
Clear the air: First, it is right for any person to have a choice of where he/she works... if they, you, me or anyone chooses to work for the state, that is their privilege. I am also not suggesting that anyone who has made that choice should lose their job or their ability to live comfortably. What I am saying is simply this. What those state workers need to learn is to live within their means of income. Don't build a budget that reflects a desire to reach for the moon, when the income shows that they cannot afford fuel for a model airplane. Plain and simple, some of the people are getting extremely tired of having to take their meals and throw them into the hog trough in order to keep the hog fat.
Living within ones means is admirable. I suppose both you and I have a set amount of income and we live within those boundaries. What if, however, people become disastisfied with what we are earning and decide that we can take a cut in pay...a substantial one. Just imagine that that is possible. Of course we would fight to keep our pay, after all, we are not asking for a raise. Or suppose the job we are doing suddenly becomes redundant or is sent hundreds of miles away on the whim of a politician. I think this is the matter at hand. Whether some state workers, like people everywhere, have overextended themselves financially is of no importance. After all, they are paid based on years of service, not amount of personal debt. I'm not saying "fat" is not trimmed every now and then. I'm saying this hatred of state workers is just a result of a poor economy where anyone who has a stable job is lucky and others are jealous. It wasn't so many years ago that state workers in Florida were pitied because of their low pay.
really

Houston, TX

#22 Aug 8, 2012
Geewhiz wrote:
<quoted text>
It would seem that it would be in their best interest to keep experienced employees but often they hire new folks who will work for less money. Even in the private sector, experience equals pay. And in the private sector, the bottom line is money...not service. I understand trimming fat but you cannot do away with a major employer without offering an alternative. Just be realistic that all that "fat" at DOT will need jobs. If tomorrow, 50 people at DOT were suddenly looking for jobs in Chipley, where would they work? The last time data was published, Washington County had the highest unemployment rate (10 something) when compared to surrounding counties. So if they join the ranks of those on public assistance, any gains the state realized will be eaten up in welfare payments and Medicaid that the children will then be eligible for.
So do you suggest we just keep them on payroll because it creates jobs? I would think them being on public assistance would only be temporary until they found other work,the way it is now it seems to be permanent just because we think we should employ people for no reason.Dont want anyone to lose their job just don't think it makes sense in the current economy to employ people we don't need. Lower wasteful spending and lower taxes so businesses and citizens can spend their money the way they see fit and it will create productive jobs in the private sector.I don't think anyone is against state employees but in times we are having to tighten our belts and we see all this wasteful spending it makes us sick.There a lot of state employees you have to pay plus they have a state truck to ride around on wasting gas when they are doing nothing.

“Wake-Up Citizens”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#23 Aug 8, 2012
Outside of the first two comments of yours (which I agree with), the remainder of your comments are based on hypothetical situations. Why not use FACTS as opposed to the subjective imaginations?
Geewhiz wrote:
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Living within ones means is admirable. I suppose both you and I have a set amount of income and we live within those boundaries. What if, however, people become disastisfied with what we are earning and decide that we can take a cut in pay...a substantial one. Just imagine that that is possible. Of course we would fight to keep our pay, after all, we are not asking for a raise. Or suppose the job we are doing suddenly becomes redundant or is sent hundreds of miles away on the whim of a politician. I think this is the matter at hand. Whether some state workers, like people everywhere, have overextended themselves financially is of no importance. After all, they are paid based on years of service, not amount of personal debt. I'm not saying "fat" is not trimmed every now and then. I'm saying this hatred of state workers is just a result of a poor economy where anyone who has a stable job is lucky and others are jealous. It wasn't so many years ago that state workers in Florida were pitied because of their low pay.

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