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Rituals, beliefs, scripture, prayer, head bowing, weekly observances and intellectual discourses are for the ordinary types. Everything should be based on direct experiences to get a correct view of reality by dissolving the subject-object divide.

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thanks -- and some food for thought
New study says Internet could be why Americans are losing their religion
http://www.salon.com/2014/04/04/new_study_say...
Along this line, there's a somewhat humorous book called "The bad people stole my god" by Doug Philips. It's about the author's loss of religion. Needless to say, the Internet had a lot to do with it.

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Along this line, there's a somewhat humorous book called "The bad people stole my god" by Doug Philips. It's about the author's loss of religion. Needless to say, the Internet had a lot to do with it.
rabbee: well that is what you all get, for replacing The G-D of Only The Torah with your religions here in The Torah again. as i am surrounded by about seven billion, nobodies here in The Torah again. you can't make progress, here in The Torah that way. have you considered, not denying G-D with your not being here in The Torah yet again?

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In the GOD DELUSION and in his talks, Richard Dawkins keeps harping on the utility of genes which he thinks explains everything about human nature but he overlooks the fact that genes cannot explain personality features. The difficulty with regards to human beings is further increased by the lack of any clear-cut genetic mechanism for psychological inheritance.

The simple case of identical twins illustrates this.

Identical twins are Nature's clones! They have an identical genetic blueprint and hence a corresponding similarity in form. But the psychological diversity can be very great.

Genes provide a basic anatomical structure, an outline of form but what happens to the form as it develops through a series of complex life-experiences goes far beyond the purview of genes. The genetic make-up can be likened to a launching airstrip. It provides a stable and firm ground to catapult a variety of flying machines -- from the jets to the gliders. But what happens later depends upon the complex interaction between the pilot, the machine and the environment around it.

The human body can however learn, unlearn, relearn, alter its genetic route, modify the genetic map, defy the genetic orders, challenge and dare the genetic determinism and destiny. It is the inability to find a clear correlation between genotype and phenotype that terms like polygenic and multi-factorial inheritance are used. The use of these terms indicates that genes are not the exclusive determinants of life.

This is even more evident for subjective states as self-awareness, abstraction, conscious reflection, intuition, inspiration and revelation.

The poet, the artisan, the sage, the philosopher, the gifted musician, the wizard of science are not only linked by heredity but also through a `vertical non-genetic hereditary transmission which is recognized to be a complex interplay of learning, example and influence that occurs in human transactions.

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THE GOD DELUSION BY RICHARD DAWKINS -1:

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"Did Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead? Did he himself come alive again, three days after being crucified? There is an answer to every such question......and it is a strictly scientific answer......imagine that forensic archeologists unearthed DNA evidence to show that Jesus really did lack a biological father....."

JOEL: DNA (chemicals) can be said to be the basis of life in all its aspects - physical, emotional, cultural, moral and psychological - only when it can be cogently demonstrated in the lab that life can be created from scratch, when choices and morality can be deftly manipulated by physical methods and when a dead body can be brought back to life using physico-chemical means. Since the origin of life, the nature of consciousness and the basis of personality traits remain far beyond the scope of materialistic science thus Dawkins' ignorant stand on the issue is a naive assumption and a matter of belief.
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THE GOD DELUSION BY RICHARD DAWKINS -2:

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".....miracles, by definition, violate the principles of science."

JOEL: Is it not the biggest "miracle" and the most "shocking paradox" that clearly violate the principles of science to discover that sentience could have arisen from insentient matter without science having a clue how this could have ever come about and having not the least idea how life can be created from scratch in a lab?
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And if they also told you that Santa Claus existed and the Easter Bunny, would you also believe them about that?
Do they reinforce your pre-existing homophobia?
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You have a book or books.
I also own a copy of Moby Dick but do not think that particular whale ever lived.
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I do not "trust" fiction. I merely enjoy it for the images and message it contains.
Do you also "trust" fairy tales?
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You do not believe these events occurred yet you believe in god?
If you tell me that you believe in god based on faith alone, I will accept that and we can move on.
You must understand that faith is belief WITHOUT evidence. This is why it is called faith
Do not claim to have evidence when you have none.
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My you enjoy graphic images. It's true what they say I suppose.
Both the prude and the whore are both obsessed with sex.
Do you believe that is ok if a man and woman engage in anal sex?
Many do you know. Like it or not.
Is this ok with you?
When will Huggy grow and pair and respond to this post from page 3206??

Or I will accept his statement that I am correct on all points.
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RICHARD DAWKINS is found of saying, and has written about it in the GOD DELUSION, that the source of the universe, even if it be the God of believers, has to necessarily be simple and not complex since all growth is an evolution from simplicity to complexity. LMAO. Dawkins' reasoning is very poor. In a future post I shall show why this assertion of Dawkins is wrong and put forth a logically sound model which explains complexity.

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I going out for some time. Later.

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RICHARD DAWKINS is FOND of saying

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NDE - AN EXPERIENCE OF THE INDWELLING CONSCIOUSNESS

(An NDE usually involves an OBE with the discarnate consciousness-force connected to the body by a line of force)

Dr Michael Sabom, an American cardiologist who started researching NDE cases in the late 1970s as a skeptic narrates many such cases that dissolved his skepticism in his books like "Recollections of Death: A Medical Investigation".

Here are 2 cases of NDE:

1) A retired Air Force pilot who had suffered a massive heart attack recounted the resuscitation procedure in minute detail. He even described the motions of the two needles of the defibrillator, which is an electronic device used to administer electric shock to attempt to restore the normal functioning of the heart. How could a person who was in the middle of a cardiac arrest, about to be jolted by an electric shock, while being almost certainly unconscious and not in a physical position to observe the defibrillator meter methodically observe the motion of the needles on its dial?

2) A woman provided a medically accurate and detailed description of her lumbar disk surgery which was performed with the patient in supine position. Besides, she reported that her surgery had been performed not by her surgeon but by the chief resident in neurosurgery, a detail that was correct but had not been divulged to her.

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Why does an NDE, in most cases, leaves the person who has experienced it serene, fearless of death, peaceful, spiritual and knowledgeable about subtler dimensions of consciousness?

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Why does an NDE, in most cases, leaves the person who has experienced it serene, fearless of death, peaceful, spiritual and knowledgeable about subtler dimensions of consciousness?
rabbee: just the knowing the physical end here, is not the end. and there is more peace there, than here. and it depends on how far you go, after you have been killed. there seems to be a time limit, how long you can stay away before you are not allowed to come back. and you most certainly, do not want to return. most do not make it past Seetra HaArcha, and go no further.

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Along this line, there's a somewhat humorous book called "The bad people stole my god" by Doug Philips. It's about the author's loss of religion. Needless to say, the Internet had a lot to do with it.
A Rationalistís Mystical Moment

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sun...

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A Rationalistís Mystical Moment
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sun...
<rolling eyes>...Brain fart does not equate to mystical experience unless that is what one defines a mystical experience to be.

I was recenlyt reading an article about a specific gene associated with development of a particular part of the brain that makes people more receptive to belief. Perhaps she has this gene. I, most likely, do not.

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A Rationalistís Mystical Moment
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/opinion/sun...
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...

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<rolling eyes>...Brain fart does not equate to mystical experience unless that is what one defines a mystical experience to be.
I was recenlyt reading an article about a specific gene associated with development of a particular part of the brain that makes people more receptive to belief. Perhaps she has this gene. I, most likely, do not.
Her main point is that it may be equally likely that a mystical experience could be the result of an alteration of consciousness (i,e, a change of the "dial") than of a brain fart. I agree.

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Supports her point of "...We need more data and more subjective accounts. But we also need a neuroscience bold enough to go beyond the observation that we are ďwiredĒ for transcendent experience; the real challenge is to figure out what happens when those wires connect. Is science ready to take on the search for the source of our most uncanny experiences?.."

I dont get why that author dismisses her theory out of hand. Its not like Ehrenreich is claiming theism. She is keeping open to alternative explanations. Thats congruent with the scientific method. You purport the possibility the state can be explained via normative neuroscience - but until it can demonstratively account for the phenomenon as defined by her and others, it would be unscientific to make any statement with certainty.

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Her main point is that it may be equally likely that a mystical experience could be the result of an alteration of consciousness (i,e, a change of the "dial") than of a brain fart. I agree.
Perhaps, but I struggle to see a difference? Brain fart, "alteration of consciousness" -- po-tae-toe, po-ta-toe.

Seriously, I see nothing "mystical" about it unless you consider seeing the same thing from a different perspective as "mystical". I guess it's all in how you define your terms. All due respect, but your (and her) vocabulary is a little too fuzzy for me.

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